Terri Schiavo: Latest Developments & Discussion (Part 1 of 2)

freespirit2001 · Mar 24, 2005

Christi said:
I think there is a "sideshow" due to the strong (and probably well-meaning) emotions on each side. I'm thankful to God that she's probably not aware of the sideshow, but I'd like us all to pray that she also may not be aware of the pain of starving to death. It appears her legal battle has come to an end. May we also pray for her family, for whom her passing will be a painful and wrenching. I'm through posting about this, other than to say I do not consider this to be "dying of natural causes." It's a sad day.

Well THE PEOPLE CAMPING OUTSIDE HER HOSPICE like a little WoodSTOCK.......sitting on mats cross legged playing flutes with love beads and waving signs and camping out for days on end........ahahaahahah....if it isn't a Mickey Mouse Side-Show, personally this is against this woman's dignity and her integrity for all the life ( her values in life and God ).....This is sad for her husband's integrity for her rights, and his honor and respect for life values with dignity, for both himself and his long battle for her rights, and now in this time to let her go...

Christi · Mar 24, 2005

freespirit2001 said:
Well THE PEOPLE CAMPING OUTSIDE HER HOSPICE like a little WoodSTOCK.......sitting on mats cross legged playing flutes with love beads and waving signs and camping out for days on end........ahahaahahah....if it isn't a Mickey Mouse Side-Show, personally this is against this woman's dignity and her integrity for all the life ( her values in life and God ).....This is sad for her husband's integrity for her rights, and his honor and respect for life values with dignity, for both himself and his long battle for her rights, and now in this time to let her go...

Someday, we'll know the wishes and motivations of all involved. For now I'm going to pray for peace and comfort for all her family, including her husband, parents, sisters and brothers. I wish we could all just stop arguing our cases and pray for God's will to be done and His love to shine on the people who love her. He's the only one who can do anything now.

freespirit2001 · Mar 24, 2005

Christi said:
Someday, we'll know the wishes and motivations of all involved. For now I'm going to pray for peace and comfort for all her family, including her husband, parents, sisters and brothers. I wish we could all just stop arguing our cases and pray for God's will to be done and His love to shine on the people who love her. He's the only one who can do anything now.

Its a wonderful hope, Praise God!
My prayers are with yours!

brinny · Mar 24, 2005

kellyc said:
brinny you beat me too it!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to kellyc again. :doh:

Nathan Poe · Mar 24, 2005

Harpuia said:
U.S. Supreme Court has ruled not to re-insert the tube.

It all comes down to Judge Greer. Will he rule to allow custody of Terri be transferred to the DCF?

Why do I feel that he won't?

Because he has no legal reason to do so.

L.A.W. · Mar 24, 2005

Why the worries and why the unbelief? I see many people are in doubt of miracles and believe Terri should just die because of their doubt and unbelieth in Yahushua. Many people now, believe the people holds the right to choose whether a person should live or die. Since when did we have that authority? The falling away is occuring. God sees who are his and who are not. Have faith. Though Terri may seem helpless, she is still very much alive as you and me. Do you not remember when Yahushua raised Lazarus from the dead? Do you not remember when Yahushua woke up the sleeping girl whom her parents and neighbors thought she had died? Have faith and pray for Terri. Pray that she too will awaken from her sleep. Do not go in unbelieth. God will watch you if you will pray for a miracle to happen for Terri or will you be those who wishes for her death thinking you have done her good. In anycase, Terri's spirit is with God. Everything in that matter is in God's hand. Do not doubt, but have faith. No one has the right to take away another person's life. You did not give them life, so do not take their life. Only God can decide that. He is the Judge, He is the Creator. Pray for Terri in faith of our Lord Yahushua. Whatever happens, you will be held accountable. The time is short so act quickly.

May Yah be guide you in the name of Yahushua HaMashiach.

TSharpFilm · Mar 24, 2005

Of all the people who are dying of thirst and hunger across the globe and here in the United States, why is Terri Schiavo getting so much attention? Wanda Hudsons baby son died not too long ago because a judge decided to lift an injunction she had won to keep her child on life support, but the media, the public, and the president barely gave it any notice.

I believe the Bush administration knew the courts were going to turn down Mary and Bob Schindlers requests to have Terris feeding tube reinserted, but they went ahead and pushed forward anyhow because they knew the controversy that would spawn from all of this would rile up the religious right.

An unsigned one-page memo, distributed to Republican senators, said the debate over Schiavo would appeal to the party's base, or core, supporters. The memo singled out Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), who is up for reelection next year and is potentially vulnerable in a state President Bush won last year.

"This is an important moral issue and the pro-life base will be excited that the Senate is debating this important issue," said the memo, which was reported by ABC News and later given to The Washington Post. "This is a great political issue, because Senator Nelson of Florida has already refused to become a cosponsor and this is a tough issue for Democrats."
--- Source

We are all pawns in a big political strategy.

Geezerjohn · Mar 24, 2005

Terri's case is unique in that the judge did not just allow the feeding tube to be removed, he ORDERED it. He sentenced her to death in a way that the left would have a fit over if it that same sentance were applied to a convicted murderer. It is a fundamental difference.

Additionally, there is a legtimate difference of opinion from medical experts. Why the rush to kill her? Why not allow some further examination of the valid medical disputes? This woman has never had an MRI, never had a CAT scan, her "compassionate" husband refuses to allow a simple test to determine if she has the capacity to swallow (several of her nurses have sworn in affadavits that she can indeed swallow). A renowned neurologist has indicated she has been misdiagnosed. Her husband has refused to allow therapy since 1991, so the debate as to whether she responds to therapy is pointless. Her husband forbids it.

The govenor can stay an execution right up to the moment of death if new evidence is presented that questions whether the death sentence should be carried out against a convicted thug. Why not give her the same consideration?

The left keep referring to this as a "right to die" case, but that is not accurate. It would be if Terri had expressed a desire to die with dignity but we don't know that to be the case. The only person to say that is her husband. His behavior has been questionable right from the start. Why did he wait 7 years to even bring that up?

If I ordered someone to be killed, I would likely be arrested and charged with consipracy to commit murder. Judge Greer did exactly that. IMHO, EVERY American should be more concerned about an out of control judicial branch than ANY other issue on the national landscape.

brinny · Mar 24, 2005

L.A.W. said:
Why the worries and why the unbelief? I see many people are in doubt of miracles and believe Terri should just die because of their doubt and unbelieth in Yahushua. Many people now, believe the people holds the right to choose whether a person should live or die. Since when did we have that authority? The falling away is occuring. God sees who are his and who are not. Have faith. Though Terri may seem helpless, she is still very much alive as you and me. Do you not remember when Yahushua raised Lazarus from the dead? Do you not remember when Yahushua woke up the sleeping girl whom her parents and neighbors thought she had died? Have faith and pray for Terri. Pray that she too will awaken from her sleep. Do not go in unbelieth. God will watch you if you will pray for a miracle to happen for Terri or will you be those who wishes for her death thinking you have done her good. In anycase, Terri's spirit is with God. Everything in that matter is in God's hand. Do not doubt, but have faith. No one has the right to take away another person's life. You did not give them life, so do not take their life. Only God can decide that. He is the Judge, He is the Creator. Pray for Terri in faith of our Lord Yahushua. Whatever happens, you will be held accountable. The time is short so act quickly.

May Yah be guide you in the name of Yahushua HaMashiach.

Amen.

[bible]psalms 22:11[/bible]

L.A.W. · Mar 24, 2005

Ah, yes, why is Terri Schindler Schiavo headline news when others are also in similar positions? Well, it goes deeper than most people may have thought of it to be. Have you read the book 'LAMB,' by Zeph Daniels? Well, she is not just any other patient with this problem. It has more to do with God and the forces of evil who worships Satan. More can be known if you search. You can visit Amightwind.com for information or Zephnet.com. There is more to her case then what is being talked about over the media.

May you seek Yah in the name of Yahushua HaMashiach.

lovestrav · Mar 24, 2005

I'm on a fast until this is resolved one way or another, by death or by reinsertion of the feeding tube. Anyone with me????
For those of you that think that this is a "peaceful" way to die. Join me and see how long you think that!

Fineous_Reese · Mar 24, 2005

Nathan Poe said:
Irrelevent, since they don't have a legal standing.

they should have the ability to get legal standing

The law says he is.

the law used to say slavery was, well, lawful. if all we have is the law then we're slaves to the lawmakers and law enforcers. someone mentioned the Boston Tea Party earlier, we need to know the why's behind the laws and adjust them as needed.

None. Which is why you shouldn't have made the comparison.

incorrect. i'm talking about folks who have legal guardianship over another human. whether the relationship is marriage or parental is irrelevant. the comparison is valid.

butterfoot · Mar 24, 2005

I still think that the government should be staying out of this issue. I can't believe Governor Bush is trying to take Protective Custody of Terri.

-cw

Ninja Turtles · Mar 24, 2005

Christi[font=Comic Sans MS said:
Assuming everything you say is true (which I'm not prepared to concede, considering she's been denied tests and continuing rehab), and her brain simply isn't working: so what?

Some people need pacemakers.
Some people need bypass surgery.
Some people need organ transplants.
That's simply considered medical treatment.

She's not (or wasn't) dying. Why deny her the medical treatment of being fed through a tube. Is it because of her mental disabilty that people think her life has no value?[/font]

You're kidding right? Tell me, you're just kidding.

You can't compare bypass surgery, orgran transplant, and pacemaker implantation as being similar to a woman that has a liquified brain. In all the cases you mentioned above, there is a remedy that replace or assist the failed organ. If the brain has turned to liquid, there is no nothing that will restore it. Using your logic we should use stem cell research because that's the only real "chance" of having recovery, or you can do a brain transplant...no wait, we can't do brain transplants. :doh:

Looking at your response, it seems you really don't care for what is best for the patient in this situation. Saying "So what?" appears as if you're saying, "All I care about is keeping that blood pumping and that body functioning."

Rehabilitation has yielded nothing, the doctor that said she could be helped is a quack, the woman is gone, people need to learn how to let go. More and more I think this case is less about Mrs. Schiavo.

I don't know why people want to deny the medicine over a heavily edited video that has over three hours of the opposite footage. She is not progressing, she is just staying the same.

Ninja Turtles · Mar 24, 2005

Fineous_Reese said:
the law used to say slavery was, well, lawful. if all we have is the law then we're slaves to the lawmakers and law enforcers. someone mentioned the Boston Tea Party earlier, we need to know the why's behind the laws and adjust them as needed.

Come on that is such a straw man. Comparing guardianship laws to slavery is a strecth, and an incomparable stretch at that.

brinny · Mar 24, 2005

Ninja Turtles said:
Come on that is such a straw man. Comparing guardianship laws to slavery is a strecth, and an incomparable stretch at that.

That's a matter of opinion.

eldermike · Mar 24, 2005

If the right to live becomes based on cognitive skills, some of us are in big trouble.
Both sides made the same argument, that was a mistake. Terri's reaction to someone entering the room is not the basis of her right to live, we are making it so by arguing it with the other side.

Terri is a alive, she needs food and water to sustain life. So do I, so do you. By removing food and water she will die, no more life for Terri. The result would be the same for any of us, given the same action of depriving us of food and water.

Two issues: Life is..........not defined by the number of functioning brain cells. Again, that's a very bad idea, just think about it.

Issue 2: food and water are common to all of us as a basic need. Think about that. The "plug" that needs pulling was not part of Terri's life, she was alive without the "plug". Food and water are not "the plug". If so, we are all on "the plug"

Nathan Poe · Mar 24, 2005

Fineous_Reese said:
they should have the ability to get legal standing.

They do, IF there are legal grounds to have Michael removed as her guardian.

There are none.

the law used to say slavery was, well, lawful. if all we have is the law then we're slaves to the lawmakers and law enforcers. someone mentioned the Boston Tea Party earlier, we need to know the why's behind the laws and adjust them as needed.

If you believe the law needs to be changed, you'll get no argument from me.
How much authority does the government have to intervene in decisions between a husband and wife? As little as possible, IMHO.

If you want to change that, write your Congressman.

But those changes will not come fast enough to prevent Michael Schiavo from exercising his legal rights as Terri's guardian to act in accordance with what he claims to be her wishes.

incorrect. i'm talking about folks who have legal guardianship over another human. whether the relationship is marriage or parental is irrelevant. the comparison is valid.

There is a hierarchy, and the law is crystal clear on it: In the event of a conflict, A spouse's rights of legal guardianship come before a parent's. The children you mentioned had no such conflict.

kellyc · Mar 24, 2005

eldermike said:
If the right to live becomes based on cognitive skills, some of us are in big trouble.
Both sides made the same argument, that was a mistake. Terri's reaction to someone entering the room is not the basis of her right to live, we are making it so by arguing it with the other side.

Terri is a alive, she needs food and water to sustain life. So do I, so do you. By removing food and water she will die, no more life for Terri. The result would be the same for any of us, given the same action of depriving us of food and water.

Two issues: Life is..........not defined by the number of functioning brain cells. Again, that's a very bad idea, just think about it.

Issue 2: food and water are common to all of us as a basic need. Think about that. The "plug" that needs pulling was not part of Terri's life, she was alive without the "plug". Food and water are not "the plug". If so, we are all on "the plug"

amen brother mike, i wish everyone saw it this way.

freespirit2001 · Mar 24, 2005

Christi said:
Assuming everything you say is true (which I'm not prepared to concede, considering she's been denied tests and continuing rehab), and her brain simply isn't working: so what?

Some people need pacemakers.
Some people need bypass surgery.
Some people need organ transplants.
That's simply considered medical treatment.

What is being proposed by our medical experts now for organ transplants is xenotranplantation---human DNA mysteriously intertwined into swine DNA.

The organ banks of "cruel and unusual" genetic tampering.

Where are the real brain organ banks when you really need them?

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