Get ready for Law,.......!!!

thereselittleflower said:

Daron

What do you think these words do?

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If by these words you mean you quotes..then I would answer:
It expands faith...
and shows us how faith is the starting ponit to keepign the Holy laws of G-d.

I can show you, these are not new, when the people pretend to be deaf it seems G-d has to repeat himself.

jeffderuyter21 said:

Jesus was and is the fullfillment of the law. He was the ulyimate sacrifice and becuase of what He did, we do not need to observe all the OT laws, only those Jesus spoke of in the Sermon on the Mount.

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Do you not believe Paul?
He tells us clearly this is untrue

thereselittleflower said:

And this is the "Law"

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Peace in Him!

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colossi: Amen. Love God, Love your neighbor. Love working by faith fulfills the law. Gal 2

Daron said:

Excuse me, but this thread is about "Get ready for Law, because it will be mandatory!"

So either discuss the issue at hand according to the scriptures of upcoming events or just leave your topic out of this thread.

Thank you!

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colossi3: Excuse me! Is it possible that you should be posting on another board? This is a Christian Board and Christian as the name suggests is a follower of Christ. "Law came by Moses; grace and truth by Jesus Christ." Amen

colossi3 said:

colossi3: Excuse me! Is it possible that you should be posting on another board? This is a Christian Board and Christian as the name suggests is a follower of Christ. "Law came by Moses; grace and truth by Jesus Christ." Amen

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We, understand Paul in "Biblical" context, not "Pauline" or "hellenist"

We are followers of Messiah Yeshua!
Shalom,
Datsar

PS-"_" mean subjective word

Daron said:

But remember, I am not justified by the law, but through faith in HaMashiach!

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Many are blinded to this fact, probley why jude had to write us, eh?

Hello again,

This issue is not about observing the law today, but it is about observing the law in the kingdom to come.

What are your comments about the people coming up to worship, from one Sabbath to another during the time of the new earth?

Isa 66:22-23 "For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me," says Yahuah, "So shall your descendants and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me," says Yahuah.

Daron

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Isa 66:23 -

And it shall come to pass - As the prophet closes the book and winds up his whole prophecy, he directs the attention to that future period which had occupied so much of his attention in vision, when the whole world should be acquainted with the true religion, and all nations should worship Yahweh. Of such a book there could be no more appropriate close; and such a contemplation especially became the last prophetic moments of the ‘evangelical prophet’ Isaiah.

From one new moon to another - Margin, ‘New moon to his new moon.’ The Hebrew literally is, ‘As often as the month cometh in its month;’ that is, in its time, every month, every new moon (Gesenius, Lexicon, on the word מדיmidēy). The Hebrews held a festival on the return of each month, or at every new moon. A similar prophecy occurs in Zec_14:16 : ‘And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came up against Jerusalem, shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.’ In regard to the meaning of this, it is evident that it cannot be taken literally. In the nature of things it would be impossible for all nations to go literally before Yahweh in Jerusalem once a month, or once a year, to worship. It must then be meant that at periodical seasons, all the human family would worship Yahweh. The festivals of the new moon, the feast of tabernacles, and the sabbaths, were the set time among the Hebrews for the worship of God; and the idea is, that on set times, or at regularly recurring intervals, the worship of God would yet be celebrated in all lands. I see no evidence, therefore, that this means that there should be established on the earth the habit of meeting for prayer, or for the worship of God once a month - anymore than the passage above quoted from Zechariah proves that a feast like that of tabernacles would be celebrated once a year. But the idea is clear, that the time would come when Yahweh would be worshipped regularly and periodically everywhere; that in all nations his worship would be established in a manner similar in some respects to that which prevailed among his people in ancient times.

And from one Sabbath to another - There can be no permanent worship of God, and no permanent religion on earth, without a Sabbath; and hence it was, that while the observance of the feasts of tabernacles, and of the Passover, and of the new moons, made a part of the ceremonial law, the law respecting the sabbaths was incorporated with the ten commandments as of moral and perpetual obligation; and it will be literally true that all the race shall yet be brought to worship God on the return of that holy day. It was instituted in paradise; and as one design of the plan of redemption is to bring man back to the state in which he was in paradise, so one effect of the true religion everywhere will be, and is, to make people reverence the Sabbath of the Lord. No man becomes truly pious who does not love the holy Sabbath. No nation ever has been, or ever can be converted which will not, and which does not, love and observe that day. Every successful effort to propagate the true religion is a successful effort to extend the practice of observing it; and just as certain as it is that Christianity will be spread around the world, so cerrain will it be that the Sabbath will be observed in all lands. The period is, therefore, yet to arrive when the delightful spectacle will be presented of all the nations of the earth bowing on the return of that day before the living God. The plans of this life will be suspended; toil and care will be laid aside; and the sun, as he rolls around the world, will rouse nation after nation to the worship of the true God; and the peace and order and loveliness of the Christian Sabbath will spread over all the hills and vales of the world. Who that loves the race will not desire that such a period may soon come? Who can wonder that Isaiah should have fixed his eye in the close of his prophetic labors on a scene so full of loveliness, and so replete with honor to God, and with goodwill to people?

Shall all flesh - All the human family, all nations - a most unequivocal promise that the true religion shall yet prevail around the world.

Come to worship before me - That is, they shall assemble for the worship of God in their respective places of devotion.

Daron said:

Does that do away with all the Words Spoken by Yahuah (the scriptures I gave above)?

colossi3: The words stand but to look for eternal life in the written word is not wise: Jesus said, 'Search the scriptures for in them you THINK you have life, but they are they which testify of me." Ap. John wrote, "This is the record that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his son Jesus Christ.' In Rv he adds, 'for the TESTIMONY of Jeus is the SPIRIT of prophesy.
WHo has the testimony of Jesus but one who is born of His Spirit? He is the Living Word, and this Spirit of His Word we ought to keep. Worship of God in Jesus Christ is spirit and is truth.


Shalom
Daron

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colossi3: "The hour will come and now is when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth, for the Father seeks such to worship him. God is Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in Truth." Jesus says, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life; NO Man can come to the Father except by me."
And even so, not unless the Father first draw him to seek Jesus the Savior of the World:
God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself; He that believes ON the Son has everlasting life, and he that does not believe ON THE SON, shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." Jn 3

Rom 4:7,8,9B "Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered: BLESSED IS THE MAN TO WHOM THE LORD WILL NOT IMPUTE SIN...WE SAY THAT FAITH WAS RECKONED TO ABRAHAM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS. He staggered not at the promise of God thorough UNBELIEF but was strong in faith giving glory to God, being fully persuaded that what he had promised He was also able to perform. ANd therefore it [faith] was imputed to him for righteousness."

1 Cor 10:23: "All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: [because while] ALL THINGS ARE LAWFUL for me, all things do not EDIFY [the Body of Christ, His Church].
Ap Paul practiced what he preached: "For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh dwell no good things; to will [the desire] to do good is with me, but how to PERFORM that which is good, I find not...I delight in the law of God in THE INNER MAN, who before God is of great price." The last few words are Ap. Peter's. The inner man is Jesus CHrist who dwells in the reborn believer through faith, He and the Father both. Such are the fruits of faith working by love: Faith is the gift of the spirit, ie the work of God; God is love so from beginning to end eternal life is the gift of God in Christ Jesus His Son.
"ANd they that were ordained to life eternal, believed."

Gospel of John: ch 3:1-36

If the law always exists, then the ability to sin will always exist, as sin is transgression of the law. If sin can always exist, then those who have died and gone to heaven can still sin and loose their salvation? Or can it be that the law is forever, but so is the sacrifice that paid the price for the transgression. The law is perfect, and it's use is perfect. It's like a mirror, in that it shows us our state. But in heaven, we will reflect Jesus, so the law, although not passing away, loses it's sting.

I think this scripture has nothing to do with me as a belever, I've never attacked Jerusalem, don't live in Egypt, and am not under the Law. Does that answer your question?
tulc

Here is the law I follow:

Love the Lord with all your heart, strenght and mind, and love you neighbour as yourself.

Yes, but in that, there is a lot that is involved. All the ten commandments are followed when you do that. So if you don't break the ten commandments, you are loving God, and others.

tulc said:

I think this scripture has nothing to do with me as a belever, I've never attacked Jerusalem, don't live in Egypt, and am not under the Law. Does that answer your question?

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One question, when you say ‘not under law’, do you me the law is bellow you? Or the way Paul meant it you’re not under law, but grace?

jeffderuyter21 said:

Love the Lord with all your heart, strenght and mind, and love you neighbour as yourself.

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So you keep the law of faith yet you your problems with the laws of Moses (laws of Yeshua)?You call them good, yet you do not strive to be good?
Please explain yourself further you have me confused.

Svt4Him said:

But in heaven, we will reflect Jesus, so the law, although not passing away, loses it's sting.

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OK, but who is going to heaven?
Or do you mean when G-d comes down to us?

colossi3 said:

He that believes ON the Son has everlasting life, and he that does not believe ON THE SON, shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him

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I confused, so you believe in him, yet you follow him not? For a man wishing to be as his master does as his master does, does he not?.

colossi3 said:

BLESSED IS THE MAN TO WHOM THE LORD WILL NOT IMPUTE SIN...WE SAY THAT FAITH WAS RECKONED TO ABRAHAM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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Who is claming perfection, except him who is perfect?
Just because we follow the statues of G-d does not mean we do not have faith!

colossi3 said:

"ANd they that were ordained to life eternal, believed."

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Who is saying differently, but do you believe?
Do you do the things of the spirit or the things of the flesh?
No-one is surly perfect, but do you try to be as your father?
For truly: “God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow”

Shalom,
Datsar

DaTsar wrote: (#35)
"One question, when you say ‘not under law’, do you
me[an?] the law is bellow you? Or the way Paul meant it you’re not under law, but grace??

Are you asking am I greater than the Law? No I mean I have a relationship with God that is not based on my keeping the Law to make myself pleasing to God. I am saved not by what I do, but by who Jesus is and what He did for me.
tulc(does that answer your questions?)

Svt4Him said:

Yes, but in that, there is a lot that is involved. All the ten commandments are followed when you do that. So if you don't break the ten commandments, you are loving God, and others.

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And yet, keeping the 10 commandments is not enough to fulfill the 2 commandments given by Jesus . . He said

Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

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Here he takes us beyond the commandment to not kill . .

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

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The law is summed up in this word . . LOVE . . .

And LOVE takes us beyond the 10 commandments into the very heart of God . .



Peace in HIm!

thereselittleflower,

You make a important ponit, but I must ask...How does that relate to his statment made?

If you have faith you keep the laws;
If you do not have faith, the law are nothign mroe then a moral code to you;
If you have faith without trying to keep the law, yet knowing the law...your head explodes cause that impossible.

"Love is faith - Faith love...But he who loves is a servant to love, and can have no other master...What then? When love speaks in action, do you respond in idle word, When the trumpet of truth cries, why do you mock it?"

"Let your creator be a creator, and a creation be a creation, worship not yourself; creation, and that which you have been gifed. Worship the creator of these things"

"why do you come answering the what and the how, without the why?What do can you know but a guess,then, what do you know but a pebble unto the wind, know the why that the how and the what can be based upon the rock of truth, which is the object of your faith"

"Why then do you walk without cause, saying you love, yet walking not in loves statues"

"Heed the instructions of our creator, that you may be made in his intention and not your own"

"How can you expect grace, if you do not the things demanded for grace, do you make the snake hungry, then put your hand out to bit, and expect the snake to give mercy?Do not be a fool; but be changed and converted to the ways of mercy"

"Follow the guild, not the statues of wild"

DaTsar said:

thereselittleflower,

You make a important ponit, but I must ask...How does that relate to his statment made?

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I was trying to address this portion of his statement and take it further:

Yes, but in that, there is a lot that is involved. All the ten commandments are followed when you do that. So if you don't break the ten commandments, you are loving God, and others.

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It is not enough to simply keep the 10 commandments . . for isntance, again, the commandment thou shalt not kill .. Jesus takes it further than the actual physical killing (or murdering) of another to the thoughts and intents of the heart.

So it is not enough to keep the 10 commandments . . to follow Jesus we must go farther to full surrender to Him dealing with the thoughts and intentions of our hearts and how every part of us is subject to the LAW of LOVE.

So yes, he is right, but it is not all there is to loving God and others . . Jesus takes us further . .

If you have faith you keep the laws;
If you do not have faith, the law are nothign mroe then a moral code to you;
If you have faith without trying to keep the law, yet knowing the law...your head explodes cause that impossible.

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I think I would have to agree with what you said. If you have faith, then you will be keeping the Law of Love.

"Love is faith - Faith love...But he who loves is a servant to love, and can have no other master...What then? When love speaks in action, do you respond in idle word, When the trumpet of truth cries, why do you mock it?"

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Here I would not agree . . Love is not faith, faith is not Love . . in the sense that they are equal expressions of the same thing.

Faith is one of our hearts response to God who is Love . . but Love is more than faith. Faith is a respoonse to LOVE. We also have other responses to God's Love . .gratitude, love, hope, thankfulness, etc.

Paul tells us that these three things remain:

Faith
Hope
Love

but the GREATEST is LOVE.


There was much that was good in the quotes you gave.

But I would go farther . . not the "what" or the "how", or even the "why", but the WHO.


Peace in Him!

Here I would not agree . . Love is not faith, faith is not Love . . in the sense that they are equal expressions of the same thing.

Faith is one of our hearts response to God who is Love . . but Love is more than faith. Faith is a respoonse to LOVE. We also have other responses to God's Love . .gratitude, love, hope, thankfulness, etc.

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Actually it does say what you think...I did not translate very clearly...

so I guess a more actuarte way to translate this would be:

Love(Love that G-d has toward man)
is(beggets in itself)
faith (devotion of the truth)
- (and it's reciprocal)
faith (devotion of the truth)
not translated(is of)
Love (Love of Man to G-d)

The full quote reads:
[Do not ever] [be nor Become] [decived by the tougues of liers] [which lead one to believe][that] [the love of G-d towards man][or][the love of man towards G-d][in any way] [deminish] [your][need for][devotion to the truth].
[for],[the love fo G-d toward man][beggets in itself][devotion of the truth][and in so][devotion of the truth][is of][Love of Man to G-d].

But I would go farther . . not the "what" or the "how", or even the "why", but the WHO.

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I agreee, and you be happy to note that Rameod goes on in that letter to explain that