Islamic Terrorism ~ The real reason?

SonWorshipper said:

What do you think, should I?

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...yes(?) ...

A man I know is from yemen an muslam. So, I looked into it briefly trying to make sense of his beliefs. In so dicovered that A) the common muslin was not allowed to own a koran....only the religious leader of the time thus not only a secret document but muslams relied solely on what they were told...during times of war or invasion...the text ( original) would be burned to keep it from the hands of the enemy so later would have to be rewritten from memory...this happened many times therefore completely unreliable as to what the original text may have said at all!
B) a preacher (jesse duplantis) once asked a muslim....the G-d you worship was the G-d of Abraham? He awswered "yes" Jesse asked: "then why did you change G-ds? The G-d of Abraham was not called -llah" The muslam responded "I don't know."
Just some interesting points.

Too, the koran contradics itself horribly.
From stating that G-d niether begets nor is begotten....to stating the He has so many son and like 3 daughters!?

SonWorshipper said:

LP, I just thought of something you might be interested in, my Rabbi spoke of this awhile ago, we not only interceed for the children of Jacob but also the children of Ishmael for they too are the seed of Abraham. When he was speaking of Ishmael he showed us something that he had heard while reading or speaking his name.

Yi---Shma ----el Do you see it? in the middle of his name ( that the L-rd himself named him when he found Hagar in the desert when she had runaway ) Has the Hebrew word Shema in it. It means the L-rd hears, if only they would turn to the true L-rd he would hear them.

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Amen.

Another thought struck me about this topic. When I study the Tanakh (OT) I notice a trend with the Lord whereby if He is displeased with the sinful acts of His children He would sometimes rise up a hostile nation against them in the hope that they would return to Him. I wonder about how Islam was historically and how the Ottaman (sp.) Empire came to power around the time when the 'church' deviated from the New Covenant and was an Institution more than a 'grafted in branch'. When I see much of the similarities in the practices of Muslims and the practices of Jews, together with their reverance of Yeshua (even though they do not understand yet who He is), it makes me wonder whether part of their purpose is a wake-up call to the 'institutionalised' church and what is currently going on is not what the Lord had intended.

And just as I am getting into this my little one is demanding my attention

I'll see if I can explain more later.

God bless

...As do I ...

When I see much of the similarities in the practices of Muslims and the practices of Jews, together with their reverance of Yeshua (even though they do not understand yet who He is), it makes me wonder whether part of their purpose is a wake-up call to the 'institutionalised' church and what is currently going on is not what the Lord had intended.

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I wanted to further explain this last part of my paragraph (I think I have about 15 mins since she's quietly playing at the moment).

Whenever we consider in the Tanakh the instances where the children of Israel were persecuted by enemies, it was generally because they were disobediant to the Lord's commandments. But also the trend is that when the children of God turned back to Him, not only did He defeat their enemies but He also delivered them (Isaiah 37 as one example). My thoughts about this extended to looking at more 'recent' history - for example the History of the Ethiopian Kingdom. Around 346 AD this Kingdom's Christianity had a strong sense of identity with the Jewish heritage of Christianity and the Orthodox church. But the conduct of the kings which followed through the centuries meant that eventually deviation away from the Word reached to the degree that one of their kings tried to almost place himself as a god to be worshipped, amongst other things. Put simply, the more they deviated away from the Word the more their enemies took a stronghold. The most intimidating enemy during this time period was - yep Islam. I wish I had the opportuntiy to read more into their history but I do also wonder about the Byzantine Empire and the fall of Constantinople (sp.?) and what was going on there when Islam was able to take a foothold in what is now Turkey. And also the Muslim invasion of Yugoslavia and Spain.

On another point, because of the apparent (but not quite) similarity with Islam and Judaism, those who are looking for a practice more closely related to the Early followers of Christ get deceived into following Islam. There's another thread on CF which asked whether Islam was a form of Christianity or Judaism and imo I felt it was more a loose branch from Judaism - but obviously not quite From what I've read of their laws, it seems like they received 'third party' information about Moses' Law (perhaps from Jewish merchants passing through Arabia) and then filled in the gaps (e.g like the fact that they do not eat pork but they feel shrimps are okay). Thus it seems like nowadays as we see more of a 'pick-and-choosey' form of Christianity where anything seems to go, we also see that islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.

Which brings me back to the interesting islamic prophecy that when they reach their most military might, they are instructed to hunt down and kill every Jew and non-complying Christian.

*hears baby angrily yelling in the background* Looks like my time limit is up, but I just wanted to share my thoughts on this.

God bless and let me know what you guys think

Shalom all,
Here's a link to a very interesting article/book on the subject.
http://www.abrahamic-faith.com/Books/Gog.pdf

InHim
ILJ

SonWorshipper said:

Hi Lotus! thank you for taking one of your few resting spells from motherhood to share all that with us. It has made me think of another thread here in this forum about Sh'aul , the Apostle, Paul, and what his job as an apostle really was. It brings to mind also the false prophet mentioned in Revelation ( if Muhammud isn't a false prophet then I don't know who is, but has anyone else considered him as such? ).

From what I have read in the Koran it seems as though enough of the "old and new" hebrew scritptures were throw in to give a historical and geneological ( of sorts) background to muhammuds claims of the "vision" from G-d that he had. However we are told in the last word from the L-rd ( the book of Revelation) that there would be a false prophet in the days to come, not one more of the prophets of G-d but one who would pretend to be.

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Amen SW!

And you know the sad thing is that unless those who truly seek the Lord in Islam have access to or can cross-reference what their religion says against what was written before, they are totally oblivious to what is being fed to them.

ILJ said:

Shalom all,
Here's a link to a very interesting article/book on the subject.
http://www.abrahamic-faith.com/Books/Gog.pdf

InHim
ILJ

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Hi ILJ

Thanks I'll take a look at that (the title of the document is very interesting!)

God bless

Thanks for the links SW. Much appreciated. I'll pay attention to these broadcasts as time permits (but do let us know if there is ever any more along these lines please ) This kinda topic is always interesting, and I noticed that they discussed the topic of the same God in the middle of the program. Here is a thread from another forum, that got turned around to 'become' a thread on the 'God of Abraham' (like this never happens here, right? ). This is off-topic, so please keep your posts regarding this one to a minimum: NBT-Mercs Hyper-Pulse Generator :: View topic - Scientology religion or cult?

God Bless,
LastMaxim

Thanks for the links SW (I'm just waiting for a real player update to download so that I can hear the broadcast).

Yes, I've been to the 'answering-islam' website - it's an excellent site and I've acquired a lot of information from them. I've had to create sub-folders to hold all the apologetics information to counter the misinformation taught to muslims I just need the Lord to work on my husband (if that is the Lord's will for him).

I may perhaps feel a little more comfortable listening to it while he is at work and so I pray that I can still access it tomorrow morning.

...you'll love these, then...he gives a seemingly wonderfully candid view of Islam vs. Christianity...I'd love to hear more from the guest speaker...very cool...

Lotuspetal_uk said:

Thanks for the links SW (I'm just waiting for a real player update to download so that I can hear the broadcast)...

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...is why some of us have cable ...5 minutes later, or less ...sorry, couldn't resist ...