The Fruits of Replacement Theology?

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Christians who hate the Jews

By Melanie Phillips. First published in the Spectator, February 16 2002.



It was one of those sickening moments when an illusion is shattered and an ominous reality laid bare. I was among a group of Jews and Christians who met recently to discuss the churches’ increasing public hostility to Israel. The Jews were braced for a difficult encounter. After all, many British Jews (of whom I am one) are themselves appalled by the destruction of Palestinian villages, targeted assassinations and other apparent Israeli over-reactions to the middle east conflict.



But this debate never took place. For the Christians said that the churches’ hostility had nothing to do with Israel’s behaviour towards the Palestinians. This was merely an excuse. The real reason for the growing antipathy, according to the Christians at that meeting, was the ancient hatred of Jews rooted deep inside Christian theology and now on widespread display once again.



A doctrine going back to the early church fathers, suppressed after the Holocaust, had been revived under the influence of the middle east conflict. This doctrine is called replacement theology. In essence, this says the Jews have been replaced by the Christians in God’s favour and so all God’s promises to the Jews, including the land of Israel, have been inherited by Christianity.



Some evangelicals, by contrast, are ‘Christian Zionists’ who passionately support the State of Israel as the fulfilment of God’s Biblical promise to the Jews. But to the majority who have absorbed replacement theology, Zionism is racism and the Jewish state is illegitimate.



The Jews at the meeting were incredulous and aghast. Surely the Christians were exaggerating. Surely the churches’ dislike of Israel was rooted instead in the settlements, the occupied territories and Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. But the Christians were adamant. The hostility to Israel within the church is rooted in a dislike of the Jews.



Church newspaper editors say they are intimidated by the overwhelming hostility to Israel and to the Jews from influential Christianfigures, which makes balanced coverage of the middle east impossible. Clerics and lay people alike are saying openly that Israel should never have been founded at all. One church source said what he was hearing was a ‘throwback to the visceral anti-Judaism of the middle ages’.



At this juncture, a distinction is crucial. Criticism of Israel’s behaviour is perfectly legitimate. But a number of prominent Christians agree that a line is being crossed into anti-Jewish hatred. This is manifested by ascribing to every Israeli action malevolent motives while dismissing Palestinian terrorism and anti-Jewish diatribes; the belief that Jews should be denied the right to self-determination and their state dismantled; the conflation of Zionism and a ‘Jewish conspiracy’ of vested interests; and the disproportionate venom of the attacks.



‘When I hear “the Jews” used as a term, my blood runs cold – and I’ve been hearing this far too often’, says Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Wales and a contender for the see of Canterbury. ‘Whenever I print anything sympathetic to Israel, I get deluged with complaints that I am Zionist and racist’, says Colin Blakely, editor of the Church of England Newspaper.



Andrew White, canon of Coventry cathedral and the Archbishop of Canterbury’s representative in the Middle East, is heavily engaged in trying to promote dialogue and peace between Israelis and Palestinians. He says of attitudes in the church: ‘These go beyond legitimate criticism of Israel into hatred of the Jews. I get hate mail calling me a Jew-lover and saying my work is evil.’



The reason, he says, is that Palestinian Christian revisionism has revived replacement theology. ‘This doctrine was key in fanning the flames of the Holocaust, which could not have happened without 2,000 years of anti-Jewish polemic’, he says. After the Holocaust the Vatican officially buried the doctrine, the current Pope affirming the integrity of the Jewish people and recognising the State of Israel. But according to White, the doctrine is ‘still vibrant’ within Roman Catholic and Anglican pews. ‘Almost all the churches hold to replacement theology’, he says.



The catalyst for its re-emergence has been the attempt by Arab Christians to reinterpret Scripture in order to de-legitimise the Jews’ claim to the land of Israel. This has had a powerful effect upon the churches which, through humanitarian work among the Palestinians by agencies like Christian Aid, have been profoundly influenced by two clerics in particular.



The first is the Anglican Bishop of Jerusalem, Riah Abu El-Assal, a Palestinian who is intemperate in his attacks on Israel. ‘We interviewed Bishop Riah after some terrorist outrage in Israel’, says Colin Blakely, ‘and his line was that it was all the fault of the Jews. I was astounded.’



The bishop also has an astounding interpretation of the Old Testament. Last December, he claimed of Palestinian Christians: ‘We are the true Israel… no-one can deny me the right to inherit the promises, and after all the promises were first given to Abraham and Abraham is never spoken of in the Bible as a Jew…He is the father of the faithful.’



The second cleric, Father Naim Ateek, is more subtle and highly influential. Although he says he has come to accept Israel’s existence, his brand of radical liberation theology undermines it by attempting to sever the special link between God and the Jews.



In a lecture last year, Andrew White observed that Palestinian politics and Christian theology had become inextricably intertwined. The Palestinians were viewed as oppressed and the church had to fight their oppressor. ‘Who is their oppressor? The state of Israel. Who is Israel? The Jews. It is they therefore who must be put under pressure so that the oppressed may one day be set free to enter their “Promised Land” which is being denied to them’.



This view, said White, had now influenced not only whole denominations but the majority of Christian pilgrimage companies and many of the major mission and Christian aid organisations. One such outfit, he said, had sent every UK bishop a significant document outlining Israel’s oppression of the Palestinians, accusing Israel of ethnic cleansing and of systematically ‘Judaising’ Jerusalem.



David Ison, the canon of Exeter cathedral, took a party of pilgrims to the Holy Land in 2000 at the start of the current intifada. They had a Palestinian guide, visited only Christian sites in Arab east Jerusalem and the West Bank, and talked to virtually no Jews. ‘The Old Testament is a horrifying picture of genocide committed in God’s name’, he avers. ‘And genocide is now being waged in a long, slow way by Zionists against the Palestinians’.



Asked what he made of Yasser Arafat’s rejection of the offers made by Israel at Camp David and Tabah, he said he knew nothing about that. Indeed, he said, he knew nothing about Israel beyond what had read in a book by an advocate of replacement theology, with which he agreed, and what he had been told by the Palestinians on the pilgrimage.



The Bishop of Guildford, who is consistently hostile to Israel, shares the view that the Jews have no particular claim to the promised land. Christianity and Islam, he says, can lay equal claim. And although he says Israel’s existence is a reality that must be accepted, his ideal is very different. A separate Palestinian state would be merely a ‘first step’.



‘Ultimately, one shared land is the vision one would want to pursue, although it’s unlikely this will come about’. As for the churches’ hostility to Israel, his reply is chilling. ‘The problem is that all the power lies with the Israeli state’. So by implication, Israel would only merit sympathy for its casualties if it had no power to defend itself.



The Bishop of Guildford, who chairs Christian Aid, says he particularly admires Bishop Riah and Naim Ateek. He also warmly endorses a parish priest in his diocese: Stephen Sizer, vicar of Christ Church, Virginia Water.



Sizer is a leading crusader against Christian Zionism. He believes that God’s promises to the Jews have been inherited by Christianity, including the land of Israel. ‘A return to Jewish nationalism’, he has written, ‘would seem incompatible with this New Testament perspective of the international community of Jesus’.



He acknowledges that Israel has the right to exist since it was established by a United Nations resolution. But he also says it is ‘fundamentally an apartheid state because it is based on race,’ and ‘even worse than south Africa’ (this despite the fact that Israeli Arabs have the vote, they are members of the Knesset and one is even a Supreme Court judge).



He therefore hopes Israel will go the same way as South Africa under apartheid, ‘brought to an end internally by the rising up of the people’. So despite saying he supports Israel’s existence, he appears to want the Jewish state to be singled out for a fate afforded to no other democracy properly constituted under international law.



But perhaps this is not surprising given his attitude towards Jews. ‘ The covenant between Jews and God’, he states, ‘was conditional on their respect for human rights. The reason they were expelled from the land was that they were more interested in money and power and treated the poor and aliens with contempt’. Today’s Jews, it appears, are no better. ‘In the United States, politicians dare not criticise Israel because half the funding for both the Democrats and the Republicans comes from Jewish sources’.



A number of authoritative Christianfigures are extremely concerned by the elision between criticism of Israel and dislike of the Jews. Rowan Williams says that after a website of the Church in Wales attracted inflammatory language about Jews, and a meeting in Cardiff about Israel provoked similar anti-Jewish rhetoric, he was forced to introduce some balancing material about the middle east into his church periodicals.



Dr Patrick Sookhdeo, director of the Institute for the Study of Islam and Christianity,

has been addressing Christian groups up and down the country on the implications of 11 September. When he suggests there is a problem with aspects of Islam, he provokes uproar. His audiences blame Israel for Muslim anger; they want to abandon the Jewish state as a ‘dead’ part of Scripture and support ‘justice’ for the Palestinians instead. ‘What disturbs me at the moment is the very deeply-rooted anti-semitism latent in Britain and the west’, he says. ‘I simply hadn’t realised how deep within the English psyche is this fear of the power and influence of the Jews’.



Since 11 September, he says, the Palestinian issue has had a major distorting impact on the whole of the Christian world. ‘Those who blame Israel for everything don’t realise that for Islam, the very existence of Israel is a problem. Even a Palestinian state would not be sufficient. Israel may be behaving illegally in a number of areas, but she is under attack. But white liberal Christians find it deeply offensive not to blame Israel for injustice’.



The Archbishop of Canterbury, George Carey, has spoken out against replacement theology. But unlike the Roman Catholics, the Anglicans have never been forced to confront their church’s role in the Holocaust and their attitude towards the Jews.



Carey, say church sources, is now in an invidious position. Under pressure to make an accommodation with the Muslims, he is also hemmed in by some highly placed enemies of Israel within the church and is reluctant to pick a fight with the establishment view.



Nevertheless, there are many decent Christians who don’t hold this view. The network of councils of Christians and Jews is going strong. Archbishop Williams preached in Cardiff’s synagogue last weekend. Christians who voice these concerns are prepared to risk opprobrium or worse.



But for the Jews, caught between the Islamists’ blood libels on one side and Christian replacement theology on the other, Britain is suddenly a colder place.


http://pws.prserv.net/mpjr/mp/sp160202.htm
 

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This may just be a symptom of my present exhaustion, but I am getting so tired of explaining the basic history of the Middle East, and refuting the lies spread about Israel, and providing links to substantiate what I say.

Seemingly every day, someone else posts an anti-Israel thread - thinking they are an expert because they have read a sad story about some Palestinians, or because they have a friend-of-a-friend who is an Israeli conscientious objector or something.

It's maddening.
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I feel like crying.
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I don't understand the animosity, especially in these "enlightened times."

And it does affect my walk with the Lord sometimes. Especially when I see followers of Christ espousing such ugliness. It gets hard for me to read about the "synagogue of Satan" or a "brood of vipers." The Lord had to know that His comments would result in millennia of hatred.

I'm just tired right now. I've got a brand new little girl and I don't know what kind of world this beautiful little Jewish girl is going to have to grow up in, or what I can do to help her.
 
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It's sad.

My best friend just the other day asked me why do we even care about the nation of Israel, why do we even support them...

Unfortunately, I don't know if I call the current government going-ons support of Israel in the first place.

But his questions made me think. He's not a hateful person towards those of Jewish descent. He's just ignorant and 100% sold on replacement theology without even knowing what it is.

It's the fruit of the "church".
 
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What sort of magazine is The Spectator? Evangelical? Dispensationalist?

As I have pointed out before, "Replacement Theology" is an inaccurate term. Those who believe the Church is Israel do not believe she "replaced" Israel but that she is the legitimate continuation of Israel. After all, the Church as founded by our Lord was composed entirely of believing Jews.

I did not come here to argue, but I think it is wrong to paint all those who disagree with you as anti-Jew. I disagree with you very strongly but I am far far far from anti-Jew.

There are people who hate Jews, just as there are people who hate all kinds of other people. I do not know why except to say that people are sinners.

To say that the fault lies with "Replacement Theology" strikes me as fatuous.

The average anti-Semite hasn't the foggiest notion of such rarefied ecclesiology.

He hates Jews because he is a stupid bigotted blockhead who has probably been pumped full of malarky by some other blockhead.

To label anti-Semites as "Christians" is also irresponsible. I don't think they are Christians anymore than Klansmen or Nazis can be Christians.

BTW, what you all label as "Replacement Theology" is the historic faith of the Christian Church. You may not like that, but it is true nonetheless.
 
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Those who believe the Church is Israel do not believe she "replaced" Israel but that she is the legitimate continuation of Israel.
So, let me get this straight. You do not replace Israel as G-d's chosen people, yet the Jews are no longer G-d's chosen people but you are?

Example: I will not replace the orange with the apple in my breakfast. However, I will not eat the orange, but I will eat the apple. What's that? NO I'm not replacing the orange... just eating the apple instead.

Do you see the backwards logic here?

BTW, what you all label as "Replacement Theology" is the historic faith of the Christian Church. You may not like that, but it is true nonetheless.
Exactly why I'm not a christian nor do I belong to the 'church'.
 
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we are all Gods chosen people but Israel is his first love, plain and simple, and there will be no distinction in the Kingdom of God, we are all the body of Christ, but some Jews have rejected him, but that doesn't mean Israel is no longer a part of Gods plan.
 
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Godisgood said:
If you're chosen, your chosen. If you are not, you are not. God chooses.
Actually, since there seems so much confusion and disagreement on this topic in Christian circles, it kind of seems to me that man is choosing what suits his preferences best. And the ones who choose Replacement Theology often seem to take a peculiar delight in it, as I have seen in various forums on this board.


What I find odd is how some people seem to be coming in to this thread assuming that our egos are hurt or something over this issue.
What I am trying to understand about this issue is what it means regarding all the promises made by G-d in Tanach to the Jewish people, and how even when we failed to live up to standards, G-d never disowned us. Does the Brit Hadashah really make the entirety of the Tanach null and void, except as a history book??
On one side, we have the Muslims telling us (and I saw this in a post by a Muslim in an anti-Israel thread) that Moses worshipped Allah, and on the other hand we have Christian Replacement Theology telling us that G-d has broken all unique OT Covenants with the Jews.
 
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simchat_torah said:
So, let me get this straight. You do not replace Israel as G-d's chosen people, yet the Jews are no longer G-d's chosen people but you are?

Example: I will not replace the orange with the apple in my breakfast. However, I will not eat the orange, but I will eat the apple. What's that? NO I'm not replacing the orange... just eating the apple instead.

Do you see the backwards logic here?


Exactly why I'm not a christian nor do I belong to the 'church'.
This is your forum, so I am not supposed to argue with you here.

But, since you asked me, I will tell you why no "backwards logic" is involved in what I believe.

"Replacement Theology" is a term that was coined by Dispensationalists to malign the historic belief of Christians that the Church is New Covenant Israel. It is not an accurate characterization of that belief.

The Church was founded by Christ with the believing remnant of JEWS who accepted Him as the Messiah and Savior of the world. They constituted Israel when "Israel according to the flesh" rejected our Lord and thus the faith of the Hebrew Patriarchs and Prophets. True Israel - that believing remnant of Christian Jews - received instructions from God (see Acts 10) to begin bringing the Gospel to the Gentiles. Those pagans, the "wild olive branches", were baptized and grafted into the ONE Olive Tree (see Rom. 11:17-27), the ONE people of God, true Israel, the Church. They were not formed into a separate olive tree, a separate people of God, distinct from believers of Jewish origin.

So you see, "Israel according to the flesh" ceased to be the real, legitimate Israel when it rejected our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Those who maintain that "Israel according to the flesh" - a nation that has rejected Israel's God - is still God's Chosen People are the ones doing the "replacing": replacing the true spiritual Israel with a Christ-denying counterfeit.

You asked a question and I responded; otherwise, this thread is beginning to look too much like a debate. If you are interested in carrying this further, bring it on over to IDD. I can't visit this web site every day (too busy), but I will try to respond if you care to discuss this.
 
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To speak of genuine, Orthodox, Christian ecclessiology as being "replacement theology" is highly inaccurate. There can be no speach of "replacement", for the Church of Christ is the "Israel of God" (Galatians 6:16)

The english word "Church" is a translation of the Biblical Greek "Ekklessia", which is found in both the New Testament and the Greek Old Testament. In the case of the latter, it's a translation for the Hebrew "Qahal" - the terms are equivelent.

The history of God's People is one marked, tragically, by apostacy. In fact, such schisms are quite common, and continue to be. Whether it be the worship of the baals under the approbation of impious kings and priests, the schism and disollution of the Northern Tribes, or most tragically, the rejection of Christ, these are acts of apostacy. Those who call themselves Israel, but who worship idols or pervert the truth, are severed from the true "assembly of God" - their status as prodigals can and will only be healed upon their repentence. This is true of the Jews who followed the apostate elders and priests in rejecting Christ, it's true of the Arians, the Monophysites, etc.

The Holy Prophet Elias was told that in the land of Israel, there were only 7,000 men left who had not bent their knee before the baals. It is these men, this faithful remnant, who were the Israel of God - to believe otherwise is to teach that God honours apostacy, or that His covenant in so far as individuals are concerned is unconditional.

Thus, I pose the question to those who say they adore God's only begotten - how do the remnant of Israel in the time of St.Elias, qualitatively differ from the remnant of Israel who cleaved to Christ? And how do those who follow after falsehood in the time of the Prophet, differ from those who refused the blessed Lord Jesus Christ? If anything, the betrayal and rejection in the latter situation was far more offensive, and profound.

The "status" of being God's chosen, is as a line running through history, with several splinters, deviating off of the path of that narrow line...but without changing the fact that they are deviations, and the integrity of that line (now matter how narrow it became at any given time) remains in tact.

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What I am trying to understand about this issue is what it means regarding all the promises made by G-d in Tanach to the Jewish people, and how even when we failed to live up to standards, G-d never disowned us. Does the Brit Hadashah really make the entirety of the Tanach null and void, except as a history book??


The question is not one of God's fidelity, but of those who cry "Lord, Lord." God made His Covenant with the Holy Seer Moses with conditions - it is not unconditional, for apostacy is a real possibility.

The history of God's people is littered with defections from the Church/Qahal/Ekklessia/Assembly. At times, there was but a small, faithful remnant left, while others had passed into apostacy. This not to say that the apostates have no possibility for return - but until such time, to believe them to be God's Bride, is an absurdity.

Those assembled together on Pentecost with the Holy Apostles, or those Jews who turned with penitence (the "men of Jerusalem" who St.Peter has little problem saying had some culpability in Christ's death, by simply being in a condition of calling themselves Israel, but not being believers in Christ) towards them when they poured out of the Upper Room filled with the Fire of Divine Grace, were the remnant of Israel - and those who were converted from that time onward, wherever they may have come from (Jew, Greek, Gaul, Celt, Arab, etc.), were joined to this remnant. They are the "Israel of God", just as Ruth (though born a pagan) had been joined to God's People in time's past.

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Please give me your difinition of what A true jew is.



When was shaul concidered a spiritual YAHUDAH?
I do not see where YAHSHUA calls the Sadducees or Pharisees
YAHUDAH.
Did YAHSHUA concider them to be true Jews?



Sorry this is long but I needed to add the scripture.
And I am being accussed of Teaching Replacement Theology.
Which I do not know much about.

Mat 3:5 Then people from Yerushalayim, all of YAHudah,
and all the region around the Yarden went out to him.
Mat 3:6 They were immersed by him in the Yarden,
confessing their sins.
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Perushim and Tzedukim
coming for his immersion, he said to them,
"You offspring of vipers,
who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Mat 3:8 Therefore bring forth fruit worthy of repentance!
Mat 3:9 Don't think to yourselves,
'We have Avraham for our father,'
for I tell you that EL is able to raise up children
to Avraham from these stones.
Mat 3:10 "Even now the axe lies at the root of the trees.
Therefore, every tree that doesn't bring forth good fruit
is cut down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 3:11 I indeed immerse you in water for repentance,
but he who comes after me is mightier than I,
whose shoes I am not worthy to carry.
HE will immerse you in the Set Apart Spirit.

It does not seem That John concidered them part of the
family of YAHUDAH here.

The ones coming to John for baptizim are being concidered
YAHUDAH.

Mat 12:33 "Either make the tree good, and its fruit good,
or make the tree corrupt, and its fruit corrupt;
for the tree is known by its fruit.
Mat 12:34 You offspring of vipers,
how can you, being evil, speak good things?
For out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.
Mat 12:35 The good man out of his good treasure brings
out good things, and the evil man out of his evil
treasure brings out evil things.
Mat 12:36 I tell you that every idle word that men speak,
they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
Mat 12:37 For by your words you will be justified,
and by your words you will be condemned."
Mat 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and Perushim answered,
"Rabbi, we want to see a sign from you."
Mat 12:39 But he answered them,
"An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign,
but no sign will be given it but the sign of Yonah the prophet.
Mat 12:40 For as Yonah was three days and three nights
in the belly of the whale, so will the Son of Man be three days
and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Mat 12:41 The men of Nineveh will stand up in the judgment with
this generation, and will condemn it,
for they repented at the preaching of Yonah;
and behold, someone greater than Yonah is here.

Again they are being called the off spring of vipers.

Mat 23:1 Then YAHSHUA spoke to the multitudes and to his talmidim,
Mat 23:2 saying, "The scribes and the Perushim sat on Moshe' seat.
Mat 23:3 All things therefore whatever they tell you to observe,
observe and do, but don't do their works; for they say, and don't do.

( Can you be YAHUDAH by saying and not doing?)
( Who decides that you are YAHUDAH Yourself or YAH?)

Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens that are grievous to be borne,
and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not lift
a finger to help them.
Mat 23:5 But all their works they do to be seen by men.
They make their tefillin broad, enlarge the tzitziyot
of their garments,
Mat 23:6 and love the place of honor at feasts,
the best seats in the synagogues,
Mat 23:7 the salutations in the marketplaces,
and to be called 'Rabbi, Rabbi' by men.
Mat 23:8 But don't you be called 'Rabbi,'
for one is your teacher, the Messiah,
and all of you are brothers.
Mat 23:9 Call no man on the earth your father,
for one is your Father, he who is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be called masters, for one is your master,
the Messiah.
Mat 23:11 But he who is greatest among you will be your servant.
Mat 23:12 Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever
humbles himself will be exalted.
Mat 23:13 "Woe to you, scribes and Perushim, hypocrites!
For you devour widows' houses, and as a pretense you make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.
Mat 23:14 "But woe to you, scribes and Perushim, hypocrites!
Because you shut up the Kingdom of Heaven against men; for you don't
enter in yourselves, neither do you allow those who are entering
in to enter.
Mat 23:15 Woe to you, scribes and Perushim, hypocrites!
For you travel around by sea and land to make one proselyte;
and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much of a son
of Gehinnom as yourselves.
Mat 23:16 "Woe to you, you blind guides, who say,
'Whoever swears by the temple, it is nothing;
but whoever swears by the gold of the temple, he is obligated.'
Mat 23:17 You blind fools! For which is greater,
the gold, or the temple that sanctifies the gold?
Mat 23:18 'Whoever swears by the altar, it is nothing;
but whoever swears by the gift that is on it, he is obligated?'
Mat 23:19 You blind fools! For which is greater, the gift,
or the altar that sanctifies the gift?
Mat 23:20 He therefore who swears by the altar, swears by it, and by everything on it.
Mat 23:21 He who swears by the temple, swears by it,
and by him who was living in it.
Mat 23:22 He who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of EL,
and by HIM who sits on it.
Mat 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Perushim, hypocrites!
For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin,
and have left undone the weightier matters of the Torah:
justice, mercy, and faith. But you ought to have done these,
and not to have left the other undone.
Mat 23:24 You blind guides, who strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel!
Mat 23:25 "Woe to you, scribes and Perushim, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and unrighteousness.
Mat 23:26 You blind Parush, first clean the inside of the cup and of the platter, that the outside of it may become clean also.
Mat 23:27 "Woe to you, scribes and Perushim, hypocrites! For you are like whitened tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but inwardly are full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Mat 23:29 "Woe to you, scribes and Perushim, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets, and decorate the tombs of the righteous,
Mat 23:30 and say, 'If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we wouldn't have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.'
Mat 23:31 Therefore you testify to yourselves that you are children of those who killed the prophets.
Mat 23:32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers.
Mat 23:33 You serpents, you offspring of vipers, how will you escape the judgment of Gehinnom?
Mat 23:34 Therefore, behold, I send to you prophets, wise men, and scribes. Some of them you will kill and crucify; and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city;
Mat 23:35 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Hevel to the blood of Zekharyah son of Berekhyah, whom you killed between the sanctuary and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Most certainly I tell you, all these things will come upon this generation.
Mat 23:37 "Yerushalayim, Yerushalayim, who kills the prophets, and stones those who are sent to her! How often I would have gathered your children together, even as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left to you desolate.
Mat 23:39 For I tell you, you will not see me from now on, until you say, 'Blessed is HE who comes in the name of the YHWH!'"

Does the true YAHUDIM have the mind of Messiah.


1Co 2:12 But we received, not the spirit of the world,
but the Spirit which is from EL, that we might know the
things that were freely given to us by EL.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak,
not in words which man's wisdom teaches,
but which the Set Apart Spirit teaches,
comparing spiritual things with spiritual things.
1Co 2:14 Now the natural man doesn't receive the things of EL's
Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can't know them,
because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he who is spiritual discerns all things,
and he himself is judged by no one.
1Co 2:16 "For who has known the mind of the Master,
that he should instruct him?" But we have Messiah's mind. Are we looking for a Physical IsraEL?
or a spiritual IsraEL?
Shaul Understood that those who heard YAHSHUA's voice and followed Him were the lost sheep and Abrahams seed.

Heb 11:15 If indeed they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had enough time to return.

Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore ELOHIM is not ashamed of them, to be called their ELOHIM, for HE has prepared a city for them.

Heb 11:17 By faith, Avraham, being tested, offered up Yitzchak. Yes, he who had gladly received the promises was offering up his one and only son;



 
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Shalom all,
I too have had my share of arguments against "replacement theology". It is bogus from the start.I am yet to see how anyone believes such a thing from Scriptures! The ones I debate over this, try to spiritualize verses like Ezekiel 37 etc...that are about the re-gathering as well.It is baseless, but we should go about the Father's business spreading His message, for He will humble those that proudly believe they have now replaced the Jews.We should take advantage of any opportunity to discuss Yeshua Messiah to the Jews, and anyone else we can.

In Him
ILJ
 
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