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Why do Christians believe Jesus is a sacrificial Lamb? Please bring evidence?
Why do Christians believe Jesus is a sacrificial Lamb? Please bring evidence?
Why do Christians believe Jesus is a sacrificial Lamb?
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Rafael
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Isaiah 53:1 Who has believed our message? To whom will the LORD reveal his saving power?
2 My servant grew up in the LORDs presence like a tender green shoot, sprouting from a root in dry and sterile ground. There was nothing beautiful or majestic about his appearance, nothing to attract us to him.
3 He was despised and rejecteda man of sorrows, acquainted with bitterest grief. We turned our backs on him and looked the other way when he went by. He was despised, and we did not care.
4 Yet it was our weaknesses he carried; it was our sorrows that weighed him down. And we thought his troubles were a punishment from God for his own sins!
5 But he was wounded and crushed for our sins. He was beaten that we might have peace. He was whipped, and we were healed!
6 All of us have strayed away like sheep. We have left Gods paths to follow our own. Yet the LORD laid on him the guilt and sins of us all.
7 He was oppressed and treated harshly, yet he never said a word. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter. And as a sheep is silent before the shearers, he did not open his mouth.
8 From prison and trial they led him away to his death. But who among the people realized that he was dying for their sinsthat he was suffering their punishment?
9 He had done no wrong, and he never deceived anyone. But he was buried like a criminal; he was put in a rich mans grave.
10 But it was the LORDs good plan to crush him and fill him with grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have a multitude of children, many heirs. He will enjoy a long life, and the LORDs plan will prosper in his hands.
11 When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish, he will be satisfied. And because of what he has experienced, my righteous servant will make it possible for many to be counted righteous, for he will bear all their sins.
12 I will give him the honors of one who is mighty and great, because he exposed himself to death. He was counted among those who were sinners. He bore the sins of many and interceded for sinners.
Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Joh 1:36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
Re 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Re 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
2 My servant grew up in the LORDs presence like a tender green shoot, sprouting from a root in dry and sterile ground. There was nothing beautiful or majestic about his appearance, nothing to attract us to him.
3 He was despised and rejecteda man of sorrows, acquainted with bitterest grief. We turned our backs on him and looked the other way when he went by. He was despised, and we did not care.
4 Yet it was our weaknesses he carried; it was our sorrows that weighed him down. And we thought his troubles were a punishment from God for his own sins!
5 But he was wounded and crushed for our sins. He was beaten that we might have peace. He was whipped, and we were healed!
6 All of us have strayed away like sheep. We have left Gods paths to follow our own. Yet the LORD laid on him the guilt and sins of us all.
7 He was oppressed and treated harshly, yet he never said a word. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter. And as a sheep is silent before the shearers, he did not open his mouth.
8 From prison and trial they led him away to his death. But who among the people realized that he was dying for their sinsthat he was suffering their punishment?
9 He had done no wrong, and he never deceived anyone. But he was buried like a criminal; he was put in a rich mans grave.
10 But it was the LORDs good plan to crush him and fill him with grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have a multitude of children, many heirs. He will enjoy a long life, and the LORDs plan will prosper in his hands.
11 When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish, he will be satisfied. And because of what he has experienced, my righteous servant will make it possible for many to be counted righteous, for he will bear all their sins.
12 I will give him the honors of one who is mighty and great, because he exposed himself to death. He was counted among those who were sinners. He bore the sins of many and interceded for sinners.
Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Joh 1:36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
Re 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Re 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
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Serapha said:Hi there!
Oh, please, let me smile on this one....
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....
Then why wouldn't it be a duck?
~serapha~
Allow me to smile too, Jesus didn't look, walk or speak like a lamb.
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raphe said:
Consider the following...
"I hate, I spurn your pilgrim feasts; I will not delight in your sacred ceremonies. When you present your sacrifices and offerings I will not accept them, nor look on the buffaloes of your shared offerings. Spare me the sound of your songs; I cannot endure the music of your lutes." Amos 5:21-23
"For I desire Mercy not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of YHVH rather than burnt offerings. Like Adam they have broken the covenant." Hosea 6:6-7
"The reek of sacrifice is abhorrent to me" Isaiah 1:13
"There is blood on your hands; wash yourselves and be clean." Isaiah 1:15-16
"They love sacrifice, they sacrifice flesh and eat it, but YHVH has no delight in them." Hosea 8:13
"...I will hide my Eyes from you: yea, when you make your prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood...put away the evil of your doings from My Eyes; cease to do evil." Isaiah 1:11-16
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Nazarite Muslim said:Allow me to smile too, Jesus didn't look, walk or speak like a lamb.
Hi there!
Certainly, Jesus is the symbolic Lamb.
Have you ever been to Israel and seen the Bedouins shepherding just as they have done since before the time of Christ?
A shepherd can take the sheep across the hillsides, that when you see the hillsides, they are "laced" with crossing footpaths where the sheep have crossed paths in their search for food. They don't leave a scratch of grass behind. The only evidence of their having been there is the "laced" hillside.
First of all, just because you don't see the sheep, doesn't mean that he hasn't been there, because the path of the sheep is left as evidence.
In your other question, you asked for "evidence" for Christ... well, He is symbolically as the sheep that the Bedouins shepherd, who is now gone and what He has left is the path (to God).
The blood of the lamb that is sprinkled on the altar was the atone for the Jewish people just as the blood of Christ is the atonement for us today.
Revelation identifies to us that the "Lamb of God" is Christ.
Jesus walked as a Lamb to the slaughter, voluntarily giving His blood as the atonement for YOUR sins.
~serapha~
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Interesting question, here are a couple more verses to add to what ralphe posted. I think they're pretty clear and self explanitory so without further ado here they be...
1 Corinthians 5:7
Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast--as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
1 Peter 1:18-19
For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.
1 Corinthians 5:7
Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast--as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
1 Peter 1:18-19
For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.
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Serapha said:Hi there!
Certainly, Jesus is the symbolic Lamb.
Have you ever been to Israel and seen the Bedouins shepherding just as they have done since before the time of Christ?
A shepherd can take the sheep across the hillsides, that when you see the hillsides, they are "laced" with crossing footpaths where the sheep have crossed paths in their search for food. They don't leave a scratch of grass behind. The only evidence of their having been there is the "laced" hillside.
First of all, just because you don't see the sheep, doesn't mean that he hasn't been there, because the path of the sheep is left as evidence.
In your other question, you asked for "evidence" for Christ... well, He is symbolically as the sheep that the Bedouins shepherd, who is now gone and what He has left is the path (to God).
The blood of the lamb that is sprinkled on the altar was the atone for the Jewish people just as the blood of Christ is the atonement for us today.
Revelation identifies to us that the "Lamb of God" is Christ.
Jesus walked as a Lamb to the slaughter, voluntarily giving His blood as the atonement for YOUR sins.
~serapha~
Accordingly, Jesus claims to be the Shepherd and NOT the sheep. He is the Shepherd that opens the gate. The Shepherd that the sheep will recognize. He is a Teacher and Leader not another sheep. With the previous verses concerning sacrifice, it is clear that God YHWH HATES sacrifice, so how could Jesus be a so-called sacrifice?
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Hi there!Nazarite Muslim said:
You seem to be looking for answers to these miscellaneous passages that APPEAR to reject sacrifice.
Just as God rejected Cain's sacrifice because his heart was not right, and God disciplined him for that... telling him that sin was crouching at his door...
In the same context, God does adhor any sacrifice that is not from the heart... and Israel had a history of being less than faithful to the One, True God.
Until the diaspora, that is.
~serapha~
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Nazarite Muslim said:
I don't recall anywhere hearing that God hates sacrafice... anywho... Jesus is our shepherd and was also sacraficed for us. I think that the reasoning for saying he is the sacrificial Lamb comes from all the verses that have been posted that clearly state just that.
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Serapha said:Hi there!
You seem to be looking for answers to these miscellaneous passages that APPEAR to reject sacrifice.
Just as God rejected Cain's sacrifice because his heart was not right, and God disciplined him for that... telling him that sin was crouching at his door...
In the same context, God does adhor any sacrifice that is not from the heart... and Israel had a history of being less than faithful to the One, True God.
Until the diaspora, that is.
~serapha~
TRhese verses CLEARLY portray God's hatred of sacrifice PERIOD. You are interpreting these to your own desires, with all due respect, you follow nothing but conjecture and your claims are baseless.
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Hi there!Nazarite Muslim said:
Please return to the Amos text... and give me the context of the scripture.
I ask you again and again to look at the text in the original languages and with the context of the inflexion of Greek and Hebrew, and you don't do that.
You are entitled to your own interpretation of God's Word ...
But here's a new passage for you...
"you are without excuse"
That means that before I sign off, you are going to hear a clear presentation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and therefore, you will be without excuse when you stand before God in the afterlife.
The Word of God teaches that all men have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Therefore, that sin separates man from being in one Spirit with God.
Without the reconciliation to God, those sins will cause you to be eternally "dead" to God.. for the wages of sin is death, eternal separation from God.
You have a choice...
Jesus Christ died that you might have eternal life. You may have your sins forgiven by your faith in Jesus Christ as a personal Savior, or you may die in your sins.
You may either accept or reject that profesion of faith, but you can never stand before God and say that you never knew or never heard the Gospel of Christ.
Today is your day of salvation.
~serapha~
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Nazarite Muslim said:
Sorry I'm late to meet someone, but please read Leviticus 5. which is just one passage that I could find in the past few minutes, that says something about the need for sacrifices.
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Nazarite Muslim said:
Where might I ask did you come up with those verses? Have you read ANY of those verses in context??? Because you used them way out of context.
In every single verse you listed was talking about the sacrifices of people who have turned away from God. No he doesn't like the sacrifices of those that do not acknowledge him and aren't following him.
Proverbs 15:8
The LORD detests the sacrifice of the wicked, but the prayer of the upright pleases him.
Proverbs 21:27
The sacrifice of the wicked is detestable- how much more so when brought with evil intent!
Hosea 8:13
They offer sacrifices given to me and they eat the meat, but the LORD is not pleased with them. Now he will remember their wickedness and punish their sins: They will return to Egypt.
Hosea 12:11
Is Gilead wicked? Its people are worthless! Do they sacrifice bulls in Gilgal? Their altars will be like piles of stones on a plowed field.
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And now some verses showing that God does like sacrifices (not all animal though) of the righteous. Since Jesus came as the ultimate sacrifice for our sins though he now calls us to offer ourselves as living sacrifices giving over how we live our entire lives completely to him.
Exodus 29:41
Sacrifice the other lamb at twilight with the same grain offering and its drink offering as in the morning-a pleasing aroma, an offering made to the LORD by fire.
Ezra 6:10
so that they may offer sacrifices pleasing to the God of heaven and pray for the well-being of the king and his sons.
Romans 12:1
Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to Godthis is your spiritual act of worship.
Philippians 4:18
I have received full payment and even more; I am amply supplied, now that I have received from Epaphroditus the gifts you sent. They are a fragrant offering, an acceptable sacrifice, pleasing to God.
Exodus 29:41
Sacrifice the other lamb at twilight with the same grain offering and its drink offering as in the morning-a pleasing aroma, an offering made to the LORD by fire.
Ezra 6:10
so that they may offer sacrifices pleasing to the God of heaven and pray for the well-being of the king and his sons.
Romans 12:1
Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to Godthis is your spiritual act of worship.
Philippians 4:18
I have received full payment and even more; I am amply supplied, now that I have received from Epaphroditus the gifts you sent. They are a fragrant offering, an acceptable sacrifice, pleasing to God.
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Rafael
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Yes, God abhors hypocrisy and strange sacrifices, as with the strange fire Nadab and Abihu brought before God. Religion for show without action stinks in God's nostrils, and He will reject sacrifices we chose to give that are convenient for us. The only acceptable sacrifice is the one He requires and no substitues or only what we want to give is going to replace what is Holy and acceptable to God. So, in context, the verses you gave do not cancel the truth of Isaiah 53 or the balance of scripture showing Jesus as the lamb slain before the foundations of the world.Nazarite Muslim said:
When Abraham was ready to sacrifice Isaac, did not God provide the lamb? God provided the lamb for all mankind and took that shame and punishment for us, as I showed you in Isaiah 53. Only God could do this and no man.
Indeed, God had a better covenant in mind than the blood of animals to cover sins and their never ending sacrifice. It was all taken care of once and for all through Jesus, and again Isaiah proclaims for God that Jesus will be revered and celebrated with praise and worshiped forever for His love that held Him to the cross.
Remember again why Jesus had the Holy Spirit as father and not man. So that He would be the acceptable sacrifice to God without spot or blemish. Jesus did not have by inheritance the nature of sin that would have been passed on by Adam. Through one man's disobedience sin entered the world and through the One man and God Jesus' obedience, the gift of grace and righteousness before God was established for mankind.
John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Re 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Ro 5:12 When Adam sinned, sin entered the entire human race. Adams sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned.
Ro 5:15 And what a difference between our sin and Gods generous gift of forgiveness. For this one man, Adam, brought death to many through his sin. But this other man, Jesus Christ, brought forgiveness to many through Gods bountiful gift.
Ro 5:17 The sin of this one man, Adam, caused death to rule over us, but all who receive Gods wonderful, gracious gift of righteousness will live in triumph over sin and death through this one man, Jesus Christ.
Ro 5:19 Because one person disobeyed God, many people became sinners. But because one other person obeyed God, many people will be made right in Gods sight.
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God didn't hate sacrifice. He was the one who manifested this symbolic ritual for the forgiveness of sins. Yet, there were many who abused the constitution of sacrifice or didn't understand the real meaning of it. They offered animals and ate the meat themselves, or the people who carried out the ceremonies didn't really intend to receive God's forgiveness but did it to merely adhere their doctrinal views of forgiveness.Nazarite Muslim said:
Burnt and peace offerings meant to abate God's "temper" and to confess that one needed His forgiveness.
As for the Lamb Jesus... There are three animals which were considered pure by the Israelites, which are the cow, the goat, and the lamb. As far as I know, those animals symbolized the characterstics of the great three founding fathers of Israel, that were Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The cow stood for kindness, the goat for fear/awe, and the lamb for mercy. Since the Passover was the feast where the Israelites celebrated their exodus from Egypt, primarily the lamb was used as a sacrifice and symbol of God's mercy (because He freed them from slavery).
I can give only one logical explanation as to why Jesus is called the Lamb of God. Since we were bound to sin (and thus in slavery), God sent His only son to die for us and wash our sins away.
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Dear Nazarite Muslim,Nazarite Muslim said:
You have done exactly like what other people have done. You took a part from the bible without considering the next or the previous. You have to consider the when, how and where that was said.
1. "I hate, I spurn your pilgrim feasts; I will not delight in your sacred ceremonies. When you present your sacrifices and offerings I will not accept them, nor look on the buffaloes of your shared offerings. Spare me the sound of your songs; I cannot endure the music of your lutes." Amos 5:21-23
Look at what comes after this... "But let justice roll on like a river, righteousness like a never-failing stream" Amos 5:24.
This city was full of sin and that was a call to repentence. Unfortunately, the city did not answer the call so they were sent to exile beyond Damascus.
2. "For I desire Mercy not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of YHVH rather than burnt offerings. Like Adam they have broken the covenant." Hosea 6:6-7
Again, look at the when, how and where that was said. First, Hosea was writing to Israel as they were declining (morally). So, God wanted to make Israel to be the Light of the world and God warned them. Again, unfortunately, Israel broke their promise and followed false Gods and like Adam they have broken the covenant. *You have deleted the last part from the last verse. It should've been "Like Adam they have broken the covenant - they were unfaithful to me there."
3. "The reek of sacrifice is abhorrent to me" Isaiah 1:13
Again, you have cut the verse. The whole verse says "Stop bringing meaningless offerings! Your incense is detestable to me. New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations - I cannot bear your evil assemblies" -Isaiag 1:13. And I think the verse explains itself.
4. "There is blood on your hands; wash yourselves and be clean." Isaiah 1:15-16
And again, the verse is incomplete. The verse says "When you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide my eyes from you; even if you offer many prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are full of blood; wash and make yourselves clean. Take your evil deeds out of my sight! Stop doing wrong" -Isaiah 1:15-16. God is holy and he can't be in the presence of sin.
Before I go ahead explaining every verse you've posted, I recommend reviewing the verses first, since most of them are incomplete.
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I think it might be also helpful to point out that Christ did not die as a sacrificial lamb to pay some price to God the Father. Christ died to conquer death for us. What greater love is there than God laying down His life for mankind? Jesus became a sacrificial lamb in the sense that He sacrificed His very life for the salvation of mankind--he was not a sacrifice like those offered in the temple to God for the forgiveness of sin under the Law.
Christ conquered death, so that He might offer life to those who believe and obey. Sin need no longer to have power over us--the death it brings is destroyed for those who believe. Those who reject the Messiah will parish by their own hardness of heart. Nazarite Muslim, Christ sacrificed His life for you.
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Christ conquered death, so that He might offer life to those who believe and obey. Sin need no longer to have power over us--the death it brings is destroyed for those who believe. Those who reject the Messiah will parish by their own hardness of heart. Nazarite Muslim, Christ sacrificed His life for you.
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