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Recent content by ThirdAngel

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    Is This True?

    Hi Jonathan (and all). I'm new to this thread. Jonathan, if prophets are not needed, why does God bother to give the gift of prophecy at all? The apostle Paul mentions that the gift is still active in the church, and the book of Joel (2:28-31) says that when the Spirit shall be poured out...
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    Atheists get what they want

    And it came to pass, when the LORD was about to take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal...Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up...
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    Atheists get what they want

    I think you misread me linssue55. I invited you to this discussion because I felt that you are someone who would rely on the bible as a final authority. I am engaging in this discussion because it is a valid point to make, and we are right to study the word with an open mind. If your...
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    Atheists get what they want

    [/color][/size][/font] There is no evidence to assume that these were OT saints. Paul referred to the apostolic era believers as saints several times. The transfer of these saints to "the third heaven" is a stretch of the imagination and an assumption, although I do believe that they may very...
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    Atheists get what they want

    [/color][/size][/font] True. But it does say that the unsaved will be "destroyed." It does not say they will be tortured, nor does it say that they will continue to exist. DESTROY: Strongs Greek #622- Apollumi: To destroy, to put an end to, to kill, to perish For God so loved the world that He...
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    Atheists get what they want

    So because all human life is sacred, God will allow his sacred creations to be tortured endlessly without mercy for triillions and bazillions of years for what was done in the span of a couple or few decades? This logic escapes me. The soul who sins shall die... For I have no pleasure in the...
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    Atheists get what they want

    If the angels don't know where Moses was buried, then why this verse? Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” Jude 9 If Moses had not been resurrected...
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    Atheists get what they want

    Whoa, now you take one at a time. ;) I sent you a salvation package, 40 things. We inherit eternal life a the point of salvation....many, many verses......."The soul that sins shall die." .....this is spiritual death, carnal, out of fellowship. I'm not questioning your understanding of...
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    Bible is not Word of God.

    Thanks Full Moon. Your point of view is not unreasonable, and I agree with much of what you say. We will never fully know God untill we are redeemed from this world and "put on immortality." However, the truth does work in us on a daily basis. If we stay connected to the vine (Christ) via His...
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    Atheists get what they want

    Thanks linssue55. Let me take this a little at a time. I don't want to cover too much all at once, otherwise thoughts and communications tend to get scattered. [/font] Look at Gen. 1:26, 2:7 and Matt. 10:28. Do these verses really say that the soul of man will never die? Matt. 10:28 says that...
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    Atheists get what they want

    I'll get your PM's in my email. Or I'll PM you my adress. But just look at what I posted and comment on that. My observations about the nature of the soul, breath of God and the biblical references to death as a sleep. etc... I'll be away from my computer for a bit. I'll be back later tonight...
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    Atheists get what they want

    I'm afraid I'm not much good at that sort of thing. I haven't experimented much with uploading images. My post refering to your first flow chart image would be a good start. We could just take one point at a time.
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    Atheists get what they want

    I whole heartedly agree with you linssue55 about Jesus paying it all for us, and that it is up to us to accept the sacrifice. Theologically, I have no differences with you as to the end results and the means of being saved. I was trying provoke some thought about was what the bible says about...
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    Atheists get what they want

    How do these verses fit in with your understanding of eternal punishment, heaven and the resurrection? Consider and hear me, O LORD my God; Enlighten my eyes, Lest I sleep the sleep of death; Psalm 13:3 As for me, I will see Your face in righteousness; I shall be satisfied when I awake in...
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    Bible is not Word of God.

    I apologize for the over-generalization Moon. I was actually refering to certain members who prompted me to abandon this discussion long before you PM'd me. I have posted several for you, but you seem to find a way of denying them. Now you turn the subject around by accusing me of...
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