• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
  • We hope the site problems here are now solved, however, if you still have any issues, please start a ticket in Contact Us

Recent content by SuperCow

  1. S

    Answer the Question with a Question (6)

    Can you think of any reason why a particular letter would not be included in that question?
  2. S

    I hold a view similar to the Open View of God.

    But you say that God made us knowing what our choices would be, which would mean the choices aren't ours, but Gods. You've also explicitly said we don't have free will, which is incompatible with having a choice. You have not shown to anyone how you can have choice, but not the free will to...
  3. S

    I hold a view similar to the Open View of God.

    Here's how I define wanted in the context of predestination. God announced he was going to create man. (Genesis 1:26) God knew what he was creating. God knew the consequences of creating humans. God knew what humans would do. God could have chosen to create humans differently in any number of...
  4. S

    I hold a view similar to the Open View of God.

    But if it is SURE what I WILL do, I don't see how that does not affect what I can or cannot do. I can only do what I WILL do, for that is what is SURE. I cannot do what I WILL NOT do, because that is not SURE. This is circular reasoning. John 6:44 could be construed in such a way that we are...
  5. S

    I hold a view similar to the Open View of God.

    If you are correct, then there is no other causation than first cause, but the Bible does not say this. The creation account alone specifies at least 6 distinct interventions by God, or 6 different causes. These causes are probably broken down in reality into multiple smaller interventions by...
  6. S

    I hold a view similar to the Open View of God.

    In a predetermined universe, I do not actually choose, because God created me in such a way so that I can only choose what is predetermined. And if I can only choose what is predetermined, how can you say that I am choosing? And I never said that human choosing is a plain chance. I'm saying, if...
  7. S

    I hold a view similar to the Open View of God.

    Actually your (C) answer is actually choice (B), which makes sense because we established your belief that God causes sin, and you admit again I choose because I must, cannot avoid it, and God knows what I will choose, which negates (A).
  8. S

    I hold a view similar to the Open View of God.

    You finally admit it. This is what I have been trying to tell you all along. There is obviously sin, so God caused the sin. So he wanted sin in the world, because otherwise the only conclusion to take is that God does not want sin, but could not avoid it which would not make him omnipotent...
  9. S

    I hold a view similar to the Open View of God.

    The principle is the same and you're side-skirting the issue so you don't have to answer. You can't just say that because God is involved then no logic applies. By anyone's parameters if they make an honest analysis of the situation. False as the day is long. You continue in your notion of...
  10. S

    I hold a view similar to the Open View of God.

    Your response is full of logical contradictions. True, It does not; however, in that case it requires deception by God to make me believe that i am not already controlled by a fixation in time. How can you not see that you are stating every side of the argument at once and completely...
  11. S

    I hold a view similar to the Open View of God.

    You're focusing on the wrong thing. "There is no plan B" means my choices are already decided, which also means that I have no choice or free will. The two are the same. I only think I have a choice, because God fools me into believing that, because my brain is pre-wired to believe that. If I...
  12. S

    I hold a view similar to the Open View of God.

    We either disagree or do not understand each other. The debate is to find out which it is, or to help lurkers see both sides and understand the implications for themselves. As to your question, I will provide a simple example from a human frame of reference, as we can argue all day about God's...
  13. S

    I hold a view similar to the Open View of God.

    I am not disputing that within our reality, God is the cause of everything. What I am saying is that if God caused all, then having omniscience automatically precludes true choice for anything that is caused, human or otherwise. My choice is an illusion. God created me a certain way, in an...
  14. S

    I hold a view similar to the Open View of God.

    I see an opinion. I do not see any proof. And there's two problems here. First is that just because God caused creation (and everything that goes along with it), that does not mean that he knows everything that will happen. It could mean that, but it could just as easily be that things were...
  15. S

    I hold a view similar to the Open View of God.

    What scripture in your mind proves that he is either of those things? FutureAndAHope provided a scripture. Maybe only one, but there are others. In addition to Genesis 6:6, I would also add: 1 Samuel 15:35 Jeremiah 3:6,7 Of course, there are many that support your viewpoint as well: Isaiah...