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    the impatient, sinful Job

    sorry to hear of your misfortune. I have been told elsewhere, that i should only try to understand the book of job in light of the new testament, which i know practically nothing about. can you offer a short cut? What interests me about job is that he seems to have faith in spite of his greif...
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    the impatient, sinful Job

    I think you are right about misreading the friends as the words of job, but isn't job the first to broach the subject, after his freinds have sat in silence with him, he says 'why died i not from the womb' how can this be considered as anything but a complaint, the passage is called 'job's...
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    the impatient, sinful Job

    Thank you all for your kind help. So, just to clarify, whilst job never loses faith in a good resoltuionis it fair to say that Job questions the worth, or the needlessness of god's/satan's test? Otherwise, why does god, on his return, so serverely rebuke him, and ask all those difficult...
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    the impatient, sinful Job

    but job felt alone, right? he doubted the existence of god, i.e. he lost faith, to a small degree perhaps. second, surely satan is reacting to something god has said, god makes the first move, what has He got to prove to satan? satan would not even know about job if god had not mentioned him...
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    the impatient, sinful Job

    there are some things he says which makes me think he does not pass with flying colours, e.g "I cry out to you, O God, but you do not answer; I stand up, but you merely look at me. 21 You turn on me ruthlessly; with the might of your hand you attack me. 22 You snatch me up...
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    the impatient, sinful Job

    I know this is a difficult book to interpret, and may be illumintaed by further study of the bible. But i am interested in how the common conception of Job as having patience and a nonshakable faith arose. Job is impatient, angry, scornful, accusational, he doesn't seem to have faith 3 Yet...
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    contradictory advice in the bible

    "The infants who died, who were not yet guilty of their own sins, would still have a complete life with God. They would have the same life they would have had if they lived and repented - they lost nothing by dying, that everyone doesn't lose when they die." I just don't know how you can...
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    contradictory advice in the bible

    "And the little ones who had not come to the knowledge of Good and Evil where acceptable to God in eternity. How can one stand against Gods will to save them?" My exact point, is that adam indeed was free to fall. The little ones are deprived of the chance to fall freely. They have no choice...
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    contradictory advice in the bible

    Fair enough. I am still left with my opening question. The only thing that saves god from the accusation of creating evil, is that he created man free to fall, and then let him fall, without any intervention or protection, thus permitting both god's foresight and mans freewill to coexist. This...
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    contradictory advice in the bible

    "Do not love the world or the things in the world." The reason why i mentioned suicide was that the above quote does not suggest that I should be concerned about whether my fellow man is saved or not. In the absence of any purpose to earthly life, and an order not to love anything upon it, why...
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    paradise lost

    I suspect milton was more concerned with restoring 'religion to something of its pure original state, after it had been defiled with impurities for more that thirteen hundred years'. Also, he didn't write it to justify the ways of god to 'man', but to 'men', particularly those who attacked the...
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    contradictory advice in the bible

    "But you see God knows the future. He knows How those children would have matured in that kind of world. This does not degrade the will of man. This shows the foreknowledge and mercy of God." Surely the whole point is that we are created free to fall? his foreknowledge of our sin should not...
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    paradise lost

    well, you were half-right in your suspicions. These books don't just drop out of the sky. I think it is sensible not to entrust your salvation to one single version, but I agree the debate belongs elsewhere.
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    contradictory advice in the bible

    qoute "The people who were drowned in the Great Flood were not condemned; they were simply punished. Earthly death is not the same as eternal condemnation, and in the case of the wicked people who were killed in the flood, death was not the end (nor is it the end for any of us)."...
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    contradictory advice in the bible

    qoute "The people who were drowned in the Great Flood were not condemned; they were simply punished. Earthly death is not the same as eternal condemnation, and in the case of the wicked people who were killed in the flood, death was not the end (nor is it the end for any of us)."...
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