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    Jealousy vs. Social Equality

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    Jealousy vs. Social Equality

    You are right that if I look at any one house, I would not know how much they give to charity. I can only see how much they keep. I do not know percentages.
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    Jealousy vs. Social Equality

    Hmmm...so what it the reason that the toddler's friend got two lollipops? was it an unjust reason? The tantrum response is not what I'm concerned about. And to say that any criticism of the wealthy amounts to a toddler's tantrum does not seem equivalent to me. John Rawls had some criticisms...
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    Why do all christian theological arguments turn on biblical proof-texts?

    I find it absolutely fascinating that Mormons, who have added to the canon as late as less than 200 years ago, can make any inerrancy argument with a straight face. I'm not so much talking about truth in a philosophical sense any way. Strictly historical in this thread.
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    Why do all christian theological arguments turn on biblical proof-texts?

    To me, this is a non sequitur of sorts. First the analogy to science is (a) basically an attempted appeal to authority, assuming I (and others) trust Science to be the guide to accessing Truth, and (b) imprecise and perhaps inaccurate, as the scientific method of ascertaining truths cannot be...
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    Why do all christian theological arguments turn on biblical proof-texts?

    How do we even know that his disciples wrote anything? Many scholars are beginning the hold the position that the gospel accounts were first recorded after, and presumably therefore based in part upon the teachings of Paul. Before anyone jumps on this, I'm not speculating that there wasn't an...
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    Why do all christian theological arguments turn on biblical proof-texts?

    Thank you for your comments. Regarding the conclusions made from historical investigation, don't we see many early christian texts appealing to apostolic authority, such as the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Judas, the Gospel of Mary, etc., which were later deemed heretical? Granted we only...
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    Jealousy vs. Social Equality

    Today I was driving by one of the many gated communities in America filled with million dollar homes, immaculate landscaping, the whole nine-yards... An emotion came to me, and does more often as I have entered middle age, when we realize our limitations in life, earnings and otherwise. The...
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    Why do all christian theological arguments turn on biblical proof-texts?

    Thanks all for their thoughtful comments. I know this is a very touchy subject. Even Billy Graham struggled with the authority of the Bible well into adulthood, finally giving the issue entirely up to God in an act of ultimate faith. I know when I was in college, I struggled with the...
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    Is Hell Really Eternal? (2)

    Most of your sources are mid-2nd century, but even so if I concede that by 100 CE, certain Church Fathers were "on-the-record" about the doctrines of Hell, this does not establish the truth of the doctrine. The mere fact that they were compelled to speak out regarding the doctrines of hell...
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    Is Hell Really Eternal? (2)

    I don't disagree with the import of any of your verses. I just don't find them authoritative on whether the readers of this thread who do not meet a certain standard of belief will be eternally tormented once they die. These verses, and the books they come from, were written long after Jesus...
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    Is Hell Really Eternal? (2)

    Was not Jewish theology and teleology influenced by Greek thought during the Hellenistic period? I think it's a simplistically explanation to say Jews during the 1st century believed in eternal torment based on Jewish tradition. We see very little discussion of hell in the Pentateuch or any of...
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    Is Hell Really Eternal? (2)

    Creating God in their own image, "I'm kind and gentle, so God must also be kind and gentle. I would never hurt anyone so God would never hurt anyone either, etc." In general, we all accept a proposition as true if it corresponds to our own perception of reality. Propositions regarding the...
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    Why do all christian theological arguments turn on biblical proof-texts?

    I am afraid you will have to expound a bit more. Otherwise I would only be guessing.
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    Is Hell Really Eternal? (2)

    Your first sentence is loaded with assumptions. 1. Jesus was God. 2. What Jesus said about hell is accurately recorded within the gospels 3. Jesus' death made it possible to escape the fate of Hell I will grant that these are long-held orthodox views. I would also argue that each of these...
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