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I have always defined shame this way. The belief that one is... Unaccepted and unacceptable. Unloved and unlovable. Unworthy and worthless. Looks like Brené and I are pretty much on the same page. Flawed = unworthy and worthless. Unworthy of love = I'm loved and unlovable. I'm worthy of...

You are misconstruing what Lewis said and what he meant. Here is the direct quote to which I was referring. The emphasis in bold is mine. Lewis' point was precisely that the Victorian woman was completely covered. And he's saying that a woman wearing almost nothing at all--certainly...

Your idea of what “modest” means is based entirely on what that word has come to mean in the last century or two… not at all based on what Paul had it mind when he wrote those instructions. Even a few hundred years ago when the KJV was translated, “modest” meant something completely different...

Have you had a chance to review the article?

It wasn't just the fruit, Zippy. When God asked Adam about it, he said, "Who told you that you were naked?" We can safely assume that God knew the answer to his question and he asked it that way on purpose... To point out that the agency for them recognizing that they were naked was not simply...

In our sinful perception, I agree. This is a great statement. I have frequently pointed out three of those relationships, but you have listed a fourth which I think is valid. Our relationship with God before the fall was perfect. It was broken at the fall. Our calling and ability to have...

Thanks for your comments. Can I ask you to follow up? My post and my questions were really not about modesty. There might be a relationship, but what I'm looking for is really the heart attitude and mental posture that we have that drives us to create and enforce modesty rules. So along those...

Thanks for your comments!

Could you address further the potential conflict between answers 1&2 and answer 3? Specifically, since God's handiwork includes the body parts you spoke of in answer 1, how are they also "base" or shameful? Thanks again for your time and insight.

Thanks for your comments! Yes, I do have an opinion on the matter, but it is not the purpose of this thread to "make an argument." I haven't yet decided if I will even bother to answer my own questions. I'm considering it, but not actively planning on it. Rather, it is my purpose to allow...

No, The Message is no proof of anything! My only point was that Peterson chose to not invoke the word "modest" ... which surprised me! Do I think The Message is "heretical"? No... not really. Would I endorse everything in it? Nope. It's one guy reading the Bible and trying his best to render a...

Thanks for the on-point answer.

Thank you. Another follow-up question... Do you believe that is God's intent that we perceive of certain body parts as being prone to cause someone to lust?

I appreciate that statement. Follow-up questions... Since the human body is not shameful, are modesty rules still required? And if so, what perception/reality about the body necessitates such rules?

Follow-up question based on your statement... What perception are we supposed to have about certain body parts that make "modesty" a requirement?