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    Does the Talmud speak of the Christian Jesus?

    Bourbon, you have to understand that these heterodox sources are still Jeiwish. Judaism was much more diverse back then. The only reason it firmed up around the Talmudists is because the Pharisees were the only faction that survived. All the others either died fighting Rome (the Pharisees fought...
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    Does the Talmud speak of the Christian Jesus?

    One reason they weren't included is because by the time of Jamina there were ony pharisees left. These sources represent "Heterodox" Judaism, meaning the other factions that didn't survive the war of 70. Although some fo them probaby became the Karaites. But they were ostracized form the main...
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    Does the Talmud speak of the Christian Jesus?

    all of those reprots of flaming youi turned in on me yesterday, none of them were derogatory. They were in self defense form your insulting tones. you have no problem but you are going to ingore the evdience. O that makes a lot of sense. I wasn't even talking to you. The guy ask...
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    Does the Talmud speak of the Christian Jesus?

    I'm surprized you don't know who he is. He's an Orhtodox Jew, lives in NY, and he's the Phillipe Heggie of Judaism. He's an extreme fundametnalist, and his thing is training "anti-missionaries" to argue with Christians. He's trying to coutner evangelize and wipe out groups like Jews for Jesus...
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    Does the Talmud speak of the Christian Jesus?

    I'm not trying to flame you. I'm trying to show the evidence I have of second temple judaism having a notion of Messiah as quasi divine. so this is the last page. But it's more evidence. Jewish Pseudepigrapha * I Enoch 46.1ff: "At that place, I saw the One to whom belongs the time...
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    Does the Talmud speak of the Christian Jesus?

    My brother is I'll show you. but don't say I'm flaming. i'm not flaming. I'm just showing that there is a lot of evdience to support my stament, ok? II. Messianic Exeptations: Divine Son of God. Many sceptics, especially Jewish anti-missionaries assume that because they have not...
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    Does the Talmud speak of the Christian Jesus?

    Problematic issue, and complext. But the Rabbi I mention who is an Orthodox Rabbi reslves it understanding the Jewish concepts behind the Greek termenology. The Doctrine of the Trinity was forulated after the Church was gentilized. So they forgot the Jewish roots. But there are hebrew concepts...
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    Does the Talmud speak of the Christian Jesus?

    Ok I get it, thanks Bourbon
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    Does the Talmud speak of the Christian Jesus?

    ahahaha, I know. But there are a few of us liberals around. :wave: Are you willing to say that about the Lubies? Those Lubavichites? There is no law in Judaism that says it's unjewish or a violation of Torah to think an inidivudal is Messiah. If that were so they would have expelled...
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    Does the Talmud speak of the Christian Jesus?

    If he said they didn't refur to Jesus why issue a papal bull?
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    Does the Talmud speak of the Christian Jesus?

    I am not sure what you are resonding to. I think you are talking to me? Your saying so most peopel buy that Jesus was a man in history and so what next? Well first of all, there is a growing continent of those who don't believe that. Ithink that is a travesty on a lot of level. I would think...
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    Does the Talmud speak of the Christian Jesus?

    didn't bourban claim ealier in the thread that tat Pablo Christiani was defending the Talmud and he was a Jew? Just issuing a papal bull couldn't make the Jews change the Talmud. in post # 17 he says: "The Jewish Apostate, Pablo Christani, who knew the Talmud very well, argued susscefully...
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    Does the Talmud speak of the Christian Jesus?

    No the catholics did not force them to censor it. I am not trying to say that these referrences are good in their historical accruacy. They are progpaganda, and so they exaggerate and turn Jesus into something he wasn't. My point is that they do prove that he existed as a man in history. That's...
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    Does the Talmud speak of the Christian Jesus?

    If you are talking about that censorship it was the Jews own idea. Granted it was becuase the Christians were attacking them with progroms, but still, it was initated by them. RCC did not make them do it.
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    Does the Talmud speak of the Christian Jesus?

    Hey I like you too man. I can understand that it does seem that i'm proof texting a bit. But there are so many pasasges, and it's really not helpful to just take them one at a time. Because the nature of the passages is so derogatory, they cleary in every case see anyone named yeshua as a bad...
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