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    Is baptism of water necessary?

    DRA and Scriptural evidence: You last few post have all been dealt before. For DRA I mentioned josephus to show the historical evidence I have shown around 12 times eis can means because of English translator such as Darby and the N.E.T. all tell us they mean "for" in one of the english...
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    Are you in Christ?

    Please see "Christ In You: A study in Paul's Theology and Ethics" by William Barcley. A review is here http://www.bookreviews.org/pdf/951_355.pdf Reading the last paragraph of the review it appears to be a refutation of the proposition that Cougan has made.
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    Is baptism of water necessary?

    Hey Cougan. I was going to leave it till I had responded to your 1 Peter reply. Spiritual Immersion is impossible without salvation. Note: its in passive voice, the spirit acts on them. So yes, spiritual immersion IS salvation. I noted right back at the very start of the thread that God has...
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    Is Having A Minister/Priest Biblical ?

    Have you tried http://www.hccentral.com/fsearch.html ? There is also http://www.gospelhall.org/index.phpoption=com_minibb&action=vtopic&forum=8 for plymouth brethren churches- not home churches, but no clergy.
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    Is baptism of water necessary?

    I can understand from your thoughts how you might come to the conclusion that water baptism is not nescessary for salvation. However, I will now attempt to show where I belive your logic is flawed. I am not going in any particular order to what you presented. If I wanted to I could point you...
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    Is baptism of water necessary?

    You know, I don't know exactly the tone that Jesus used in passages such as Matt. 22:29 and in the whole chapter of Matt. 23. I imagine that the Jews didn't like it or appreciate it one bit. I know for a fact the Jews weren't pleased with Stephen's teaching in Acts 7. And, I suspect that Paul...
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    Is baptism of water necessary?

    You know, I don't know exactly the tone that Jesus used in passages such as Matt. 22:29 and in the whole chapter of Matt. 23. I imagine that the Jews didn't like it or appreciate it one bit. I know for a fact the Jews weren't pleased with Stephen's teaching in Acts 7. And, I suspect that Paul...
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    Is baptism of water necessary?

    Mark 16:16- Doesn't exist Acts 8:35-39- Yes baptism, where does it say salvation Acts 10:47-48- Yes baptism, where does it say salvation 1 Pet. 3:20-21- Read verse 21, it actually a good refutation of salvation for baptism Gal 3:27- Symbolic passage, example- we havent died and risen again...
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    Is baptism of water necessary?

    Every christian should be baptised. Its what baptism IS that is what we are discussing He makes clear, and this is a sound refutation of baptism for salvation. The NIV its quite clear " this water symbolises baptism that now saves you- NOT the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge* of...
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    Is baptism of water necessary?

    I'll leave you to finish your reply on the Bible's teachings [ I know its annoying if your only half way through and someone starts responding before you have completed ] Very interesting quotes. Basically I am very skeptical of early church writings, examples of Muratorian who although so...
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    Is baptism of water necessary?

    You think im unlearned and unstable ? Maybe you just dont want to admit your wrong, so you call me unlearned and unstable. I have seen the way you belittle other people and now its my turn to face your insults. Don't expect me to be civil to you therefore, however, tell me what you dont...
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    Is baptism of water necessary?

    Denny, im beginning to find your tone very arrogant. These team of scholars if reading their writings state the word "for" in the way that Inquis and myself view it. It means many many things ! For example read the commentaries by Darby he makes it clear. You are reading what we are saying...
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    Is baptism of water necessary?

    I just checked with the TDNTW which likewise agrees [ this is extremely well respected word study resource ]
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    Is baptism of water necessary?

    Actually he is saying what we have been saying all along, the preposition "eis" has many meanings. The word for in English likewise. Im perfectly happy for it to be translated "for" for reasons myself and Inquis have shown. Yet you cling on to this verse because you know its basically 1 out of...
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    Is baptism of water necessary?

    Good points Inquisitor, that along with the verses I have shown where eis does mean with respect to, not "in order" deals a blow in the argument of the baptism of salvation. Interesting Darby's translation is quoted- he certianly doesn't believe it supports what they are making the verse say...
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