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    The Ten Horns from a Preterist view point.

    I agree that the land promises were fulfilled no later than Joshua's time. This history then became a type of entering God's heaven/paradise, which was fulfilled in the first century when the Christ came. Also, dispensationalists who suggest that the future will involve a return to the Old...
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    The Ten Horns from a Preterist view point.

    NILLOC: I don’t know much about the Diadochi, so I can’t really comment on them, but, if they were part of the Greece Empire, I see no justification for splitting it from Greece. GW: To summarize the Diadochi, Daniel 8:8-9 specifically mentions the dividing of Alexander's empire...
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    The Ten Horns from a Preterist view point.

    NILLOC: Did you read the link I gave? GW: I am reading it, and it's useful. However, I don't see any real challenge to my view, other than minor classification quibbles. For when I say Greece is the final empire, I'm including the "four divisions" after Alexander and the Ten Horns of the...
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    The Ten Horns from a Preterist view point.

    Notrash: Daniels 70 sevens was not a allegoric retelling of Jeremiahs 70 years GW: The very occasion of the "70 Weeks" comes from the fact that Daniel was asking God about Jeremiah's statements that God would accomplish "Seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem." Gabriel interprets...
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    The Ten Horns from a Preterist view point.

    NILLOC: He doesn’t site Daniel 11:31, He just refers to the abomination of desolation GW: Compare the statements side by side and see that Jesus is citing Daniel 11:31. Therefore, we see that Jesus is using typology (for Antiochus was known to have done this). NILLOC: they say Daniel...
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    The Ten Horns from a Preterist view point.

    NILLOC: Heliodorus was not a king of Seleucid, he was a minister to Seleucus IV. Also, the little horn of chapter 7 subdues three of the kings. To my knowledge, Antiochus did not subdue any of the kings on your list. GW: Antiochus comes to power amidst a great disturbance of the throne...
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    The Ten Horns from a Preterist view point.

    NILLOC: Common among naturalistic liberals who say that Daniel was a fraud and was just writing history. Most Christians (I think even the early church fathers) saw the kingdoms as Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. GW: The interpretation I hold has a *typological* application to Christ...
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    The Ten Horns from a Preterist view point.

    NoTrash, The "70 Weeks"---which is the Angel's allegorical interpretation of Jeremiah's 70 years prophecy---is basically as follows: (1) 7 weeks = 'long period' --from Jeremiah's ministry foretelling the Babylonian conquest and return to the restoration of the city under Ezra and Nehemiah...
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    The Ten Horns from a Preterist view point.

    NoTrash: Also, how do you associate Jesus' telling the people in 30 Ad that when they see the abomination of desolation spoken by Daniel the Prophet, that they should run for the hills if this was all referring to Antiochus.? GW: What took place with Antiochus at Daniel 11:31 prefigured a...
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    The Ten Horns from a Preterist view point.

    To NoTrash and Nilloc: Four kingdoms are commonly reckoned as Babylon, Medes, Persian, Greece. The Ten Horns are the kings of the Seleucid Dynasty, and often are reckoned as: 1. Alexander the Great 2. Seleucus I 3. Antiochus I 4. Antiochus II 5. Seleucus II 6. Seleucus III 7...
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    The Ten Horns from a Preterist view point.

    NoTrash and Nilloc: I, too, used to treat Daniel in a piecemeal fashion as you are doing. But then I discovered two things that utterly forced me to shift to the Antiochus interpretation: (1) Daniel's book ties itself to Antiochus using parallels that cannot be denied without tossing sound...
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    The Ten Horns from a Preterist view point.

    NILLOC: Antiochus is without a doubt in mind in chapters 8 and 11. But I would disagree that he is the only one in mind in the latter chapters of Daniel. GW: The parallels I listed show that all the chapters are a united whole, not a scattered piecemeal patchwork of different people times and...
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    The Ten Horns from a Preterist view point.

    Like so much of prophecy, the first application is usually located within the O.T. period. That OT figure then applies to Christ typologically. So it is with Daniel's prophecy. The Book of Daniel is one united prophecy that links to itself so much that it cannot possibly be treated as having...
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    Did the NT writers have it all wrong?

    Dan, I'm waiting for you to give a response to my last point.
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    What is the book of Revelation about?

    The Book of Revelation is primarily about the end of the Jewish Nation in the first century and the persecution of St. John and his contemporaries under the Roman Emperors and Jewish leaders of their day. It is also about the historical change from the Old Covenant Jerusalem to the New...