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    Romans 9

    Then how can God, as wisdom personified, say: Proverbs 1:24 “Because I called and you refused, I stretched out my hand and no one paid attention; 25 And you neglected all my counsel And did not want my reproof; And in Romans 10:21 But as for Israel He says, “All the day long I...
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    Jesus said, “I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee” – OSAS is true.

    Of course not. The passage does speak of salvation by faith but it does NOT equate salvation by faith to the olive tree that people are cut off from. God be with you, Dan
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    Jesus said, “I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee” – OSAS is true.

    On Romans 11, the question is what is the Olive Tree? Is it salvation or is it the God's blessings and revelation of Himself, that was previously given to the nation of Israel but is now given to the Church. Being cut off and grafted back into the visible church does not imply loss and...
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    Jesus Christ, the Atonement and Intercessor of All Men

    No, that doesn't necessarily follow. Christ died for all men but He intercedes only for believers. Christ's intercession is based on His sacrifice but it's not the same thing as His sacrifice.
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    What is Limited Atonement About?

    Dear Holdon, I agree with that. The way I think this works is that Christ is a pecuniary. Let me explain. If I owed someone 100 bucks and someone else paid the 100 for me, the one who was owed the 100 buck doesn't have any right to demand 100 from me. If the atonement is understood in...
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    What is Limited Atonement About?

    Dear Mike, No problem. In the end, I think that limited atonement and "sufficiency for all", are inconsistent viewpoints. I enjoyed the chat. God be with you, Dan
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    What is Limited Atonement About?

    Dear Van, I agree with a lot of what your saying. The problem I am having is that when I think I have limited atonement in sites and go ahead and start addressing it from scripture, it moves. I am not sure if the issue is me or there is a fundamental inconsistency within the view. God be...
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    What is Limited Atonement About?

    Dear Mike, This seems inconsistant with this earlier statement: "Can" relates to today and the future. "Could" relates to the past. It's one thing to say Christ could have been able to save them, if He had only done something different back at the cross. It's another thing to say, based...
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    What is Limited Atonement About?

    Dear Mike, Close. IF a person will believe, THEN Christ will save them. IF the person does not believe, THEN Christ will not save them. I could of but didn't take french in school. That leaves me unable to speak french today. If Christ's sacrifice could have, but didn't pay for their...
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    What is Limited Atonement About?

    Dear Mike, I agree. It would make no sense for me to start "disproving" your view, since I don't get it yet. This here is the breading ground for strawmen, and I appreciate your willingness to explain and civil tone. God be with you, Dan
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    What is Limited Atonement About?

    Dear Nobdysfool, I think it's important that we clarify "potential" and "hypothetical" here, so perhaps we can stop the "talking past each other". It seems to me that there are two hypothetical's here. The first, is in what a person will do. IE if this person will believe... The person...
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    What is Limited Atonement About?

    Dear Mike, It's interesting that what I called unlimited, you call limited. Let's see if we can dig in a little deeper... If all can be saved by what Christ actually accomplished via His sacrifice, then provision for salvation has actually been made for all via His sacrifice, no? What...
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    What is Limited Atonement About?

    Dear Mike, Glad to hear that. I agree. Christ's death can save everyone. The atonement is not limited. It will save those who believe. God be with you, Dan
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    What is Limited Atonement About?

    Mike posted some interesting articles from Dort. Let's keep this in mind as we address the question in the opening post. Dan
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    What is Limited Atonement About?

    Hi Mike, OP is short for opening post. The question that I would like to discuss is this: God be with you, Dan
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