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Recent content by Cassian

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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    In addition to the above election in context in scripture is never about individuals being saved. It is about being appointed to service. In scripture there are 5 notations regarding election. Three are for groups, Israel, the Apostles, and the elect (Church - Body of Christ, and two for...
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    Once saved always saved.Bible verses for and against.

    So you disagree with scripture? Question? Did His blood have the believers names flowing in it. He died one death for all. It is up to man to accept His forgiveness. He holds on so long as you remain faithful. Man can surely quench the Spirit, otherwise we would not have been warned of its...
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    Once saved always saved.Bible verses for and against.

    Christ paid the penalty for sin for everyone. I John 2:2, What Christ did for mankind cannot be changed, or even denied by man. It is an historical fact. Of my own sins, or any Christians sins they are not automatically forgiven. Because Christ did something. One must repent and believe before...
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    Once saved always saved.Bible verses for and against.

    John 6:39 is not referencing the salvation of individuals but what Christ acomplished by His death/resurrection. It corresponds with other texts such as Col 1:19-20 and I Cor 15:21-22 as several others. You should have added the next verse (40) since it does refer to individual believers...
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    My Soteriology.

    I agree with you. The word, "world" is all inclusive, meaning every human being. Why would you even need to differentiate. Scripture only uses two types of human beings - Jews and Gentiles. Today we would use christian and non-christian to denote the same thing.
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    My Soteriology.

    In going back in checking what you stated with 5Kingdom, it is actually 5Kingdom that I should have responded to who does not hold to the universality of Christ's redemptive work. I still do not understand how your post solves or is the solution of what 5Kingdom stated. As I stated this thread...
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    My Soteriology.

    Your response above is not germane to the response of 5th Kingdom. In the previous posts leading up to this point it was about who Christ saved and how. There is a lot of confusion throughout the thread. I had a difficult time trying to keep things straight. One will talk about our physical...
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    Limited Atonement and it's faults

    You didn't answer my question on how to limit Christ's atonement. You spent the whole post on either synergy or monergism. Neither has anything to do with Christ's atonement. Man had no role in Christ's atonement. A large part of this thread deals with man's response to the atonement, rather...
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    Limited Atonement and it's faults

    It never needed to condemn it. It was never a teaching that gained any traction within the Body. As to monergism, the word does not appear other than as a negative. The Orthodox have never been anything but synergistic in man's relationship with God. Man's relationship though has nothing to...
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    Limited Atonement and it's faults

    Neither Orthodox nor the RC have ever declared Augustine a heretic. Actually, Augustine is often called the father of the RC. However, the Orthodox have condemned his ideas on Original Sin and predestination. It is unfortunate that Protestant accepted many of the errors of the RC including the...
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    Limited Atonement and it's faults

    Yes, that is true. But one man's opinion does not make Church Doctrine. My statement still stands. I can give you many false teachings that were promulgated by various individuals, but never was or became Church Doctrine. They are all listed as heresies.
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    Limited Atonement and it's faults

    I don't know where you get your facts, but no Christian prior to the Reformation(Calvin) ever believed in limited atonement which includes, Orthodox, Roman Catholics, Coptics, Non-Chalcedonians, for starters. None of these even today believe in a limited atonement. All of them use the Nicene...
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    Limited Atonement and it's faults

    I'm curious as to what you mean by "a lot more meat"?
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    Limited Atonement and it's faults

    My take on what the discussion seems to be about is not really the atonement that Christ did but more about atonement of man which I don't understand how one can get this from scripture. It also has all the undertones of the satisfaction theory of atonement. First. Christ did not forgive...
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    Limited Atonement and it's faults

    Many are addressing who and how many will believe. How many believe has no effect upon the atonement of Christ. It was completed 2000 years ago. It was a sacrifice for sin. A one-time sacrifice sufficient for any and all sin. Whether only one believes or billions has no effect on that...
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