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Recent content by btony

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    For Jehovah's Witnesses

    I am quite satisfied that you have left what I have stated unanswered and that any reader can see that, so instead of repeating myself to your avoidance, I will let me previous replies stand as it does answer your objections in and of ithemselves.
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    For Jehovah's Witnesses

    Please. I have come to the text with no assumption other than to accept what it says. You won't deal with it and you continue to import ideas into the text that aren't actually said! You have not refuted the "sons" element. I've not even seen you attempt to deal with it. The only one who...
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    For Jehovah's Witnesses

    You forget to note that Jesus has his own throne that he grants to others to sit on. By your argument then, the Christians must be God too, for they also sit on the throne! This doesn't work. I've already shown that the Father is the one sitting on the throne. Accept it as truth. I've...
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    For Jehovah's Witnesses

    Oh, an attempted reply at last! Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in Heaven, and in the earth, and underneath the earth, and the things that are on the sea, and the things in all of them, I heard saying: To Him sitting on the throne, and to the Lamb be the blessing and the honor and the...
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    JW's and Christ

    None of this deals with the simple point I made. Where you say "ONE" I am saying it can also say "FIRST". As for hebrews 13, I suggest you keep verse 8 in the context of 7 and 9, which is about doctrine, not person.
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    JW's and Christ

    Eksesar, Are you aware that the verse can also be translated "first of the chief princes"?
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    For Jehovah's Witnesses

    I do not dispute the verse you provided, but the real issue is who the one is who sits on the throne. That cannot be anyone other than the Father, for he sits on his own throne. I have demonstrated this in Revelation 21:7 where he calls them his "sons". To argue otherwise would open the door...
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    For Jehovah's Witnesses

    For the reads sake, I will say that in Revelation 20 the person who sits on the throne is not identified as the one who judges. [Edited by a moderator]
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    I entirely agree with your point on with men. This issue with Revelation and who is sitting on the throne is that the The Interpreter's Bible argues that the speaker in Revelation 1:8 is the same as in 21:6. Of course, Tom is now lowered himself to argue that this too is Jesus, even though...
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    For Jehovah's Witnesses

    You must be joking. You've never delt with issue at all. You have refused to comment on the personal pronoun proper name construction that denotes a speaker change in Revelation 1:9. If you say eitherwise, it is a lie. I hope you are not a liar. Yes, and so is John God? I'm saying he...
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    For Jehovah's Witnesses

    Yes, this is going nowhere, because I have asked you a question several times now, repeatedly, and with the exact same words, quoting myself, and you have totally failed to answer it. First of all, yes the speaker is identified, but I've demonstrated that a speaker change takes place at that...
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    For Jehovah's Witnesses

    I had previously said the following and I again repeat it, because you have still not answered it!!! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Again, I ask you, what is your response the following: <<<<<What I've argued for, and what you refuse to address, is that the personal pronoun, proper name is denoting a...
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    For Jehovah's Witnesses

    WOW. This is getting funny. Again, I ask you, what is your response the following: <<<<<What I've argued for, and what you refuse to address, is that the personal pronoun, proper name is denoting a speaker change! Do you deny this as such in Rev 1:9? Or do you believe that John is the Lord...
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    For Jehovah's Witnesses

    Why is it you will not engage my arguments? You stated the following: Yet, this is what I stated: <<<<<What I've argued for, and what you refuse to address, is that the personal pronoun, proper name is denoting a speaker change! Do you deny this as such in Rev 1:9? Or do you believe that...
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    For Jehovah's Witnesses

    What I've argued for, and what you refuse to address, is that the personal pronoun, proper name is denoting a speaker change! Do you deny this as such in Rev 1:9? Or do you believe that John is the Lord God Almighty? If you do not deny this in Rev 1:9, why do you deny Rev 22:16 when it is...
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