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Recent content by Abatis

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    The Second Amendment and the fantasy of revolution

    And when would you decide to join in? What gets me are those who argue your side who would sit idly as a couple hundred thousand or a million or two of your fellow countrymen are fighting. I wonder how long you would suffer having the internet and cell phones shut down? How long would you...
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    Fast & Furious: Grand Moff Holder Edition

    The problem was the entire investigatory scheme was "reconfigured" to frustrate the ATF's enforcement mandate a year after Fast and Furious started, to try to legitimize the tactics. The scope of ATF's investigation was widened and moved away from its historic job of trying to interdict ALL...
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    Fast & Furious

    Huh? Well, if "they" are the Congressional Oversight Committee "they" were not asking for anything that pertained to the White House . . . "They" were not looking there. With the claiming of Executive Privilege, Obama went from being not on the radar to essentially being at the table...
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    Fast & Furious

    But he wasn't separated and he is compromised. The hidden parts are huge and Holder is using the biggest shovel possible to keep the details buried; that's why Executive Privilege had to be attempted . . . Because this goes right into the NSC Operations Room. Did you see the photo of them...
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    Fast & Furious

    The gun walking operation (Wide Receiver) that went down under Bush had significant operational and tactical differences from the Obama administration's Fast and Furious. The most significant was that actual attempts were made to track the weapons. They were implanted with RFID chips and...
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    Fast & Furious

    I've been bouncing around hearing many varied takes on today's developments and some people have been drawing similarities to Nixon's claim of EP surrounding Watergate and there are some interesting points. Nixon's EP claim pertained to subpoenas issued by a Special Prosecutor not by...
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    Fast & Furious

    Yup. This proves that the cover-up went all the way to the White House and the Feb 4th letter with all of the misrepresentations was given the blessing of the White House and allowed to fester for nearly a year with the sole intent to frustrate the oversight of Congress and hide the actions of...
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    Fast & Furious

    Yeah well, big surprise there . . . Well, here's what I found. According to Hannity's website, on June 15th there was a discussion on Holder and Fast and Furious. The synopsis for the June 15th show does say that a female was involved in the discussion along with Jay Sekulow. The female...
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    Fast & Furious

    I don't watch or listen to Hannity or any political talking heads. Closest I come is watching Cavuto on Fox Business.
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    Fast & Furious

    Yeah, goodluckwitdat . . . It's always the same thing with you, I saw it on TV but I don't remember who it was or read it in a paper that I threw away . . . And what the heck is a "federal government expert"??? This just in:Border Patrol union calls on Holder to resign "The union that...
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    Fast & Furious

    Your positions on this rely on conjecture and facts not in evidence. Issa could care less about the status of the criminal investigation of the straw buying done by FBI informants. Issa wants documents pertaining to the composition and chain of approvals for the false and deceptive Feb 4th...
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    Fast & Furious

    Fast and Furious is an individual operation begun in September of 2009 under the umbrella program of "Gunrunner" which predates the Obama administration. Previous (i.e., before Fast and Furious / Obama DoJ) straw-buy operations intended interdiction of the guns before they were taken to...
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    There are no unalienable rights

    It is remarkable how people so misuse a term that is so entrenched in the American consciousness. Un/Inailenable rights are not universal. They do not exist for everyone, everywhere. There are no inalienable rights between individuals (master / slave or criminal / victim) nor are there...
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    Fast & Furious

    By this thinking Holder should be hung, drawn and quartered for providing the structure without the guidance that permitted the occasion of sin that provided 2000 guns to homicidal drug cartel members resulting in the deaths of hundreds of people. Come on now, come clean, you are really an...
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    Fast & Furious

    It is quite apparent that you have not really been following this or have relied solely on Obama News Networks (i.e., NBC/MSNBC, CNN, NPR, AP, Rueters or worse, DU, DailyKos, HuffPost etc.) for your knowledge base. It has been well presented in actual testimony before Congress and in the news...