Is Europe facing civilizational erasure?

[Nithavela]

Well I'm lieu of a penny you'll have to settle for 'cultural enrichment' instead.

Aren't you German? Didn't they foil the Muslim Christmas tradition of attacking a Christmas market again this year already?

I wouldn't call it an exclusively muslim tradition. The last big attack on a christmas market was by a radical anti-muslim.

But yes, thank you for recognising that our security organisations are able to protect us reasonably well from this kind of violence.

 

[High Fidelity]

I wouldn't call it an exclusively muslim tradition. The last big attack on a christmas market was by a radical anti-muslim.

But yes, thank you for recognising that our security organisations are able to protect us reasonably well from this kind of violence.

Even easier when you limit entry to those of a faith with a historic predisposition to terrorism, violence, sexual assaults and other things we don't want.

 

[Larniavc]

We need meaning for matter to matter.

Aha! You mean that YOU need meaning. Having no meaning in one’s life is an experience of such freedom that anything else is a veritable straight jacket in a prison.

I can’t imagine it being any other way.

 

[Larniavc]

How can we trust when there is no understanding of objective truth anymore.

I trust myself totally to make the best choice based on the information I have at the time.

 

[Larniavc]

Egoism is a separating force that destroys families, communities and the fabric of European society.

No it isn’t. I have a massive ego and yet am a respected man of the community. I’m a family man to who people look to for guidance and advice.

I’m a veritable binding agent of society.

 

[Larniavc]

We have the only message of true hope, true love and true life out there but people are being blocked from hearing by centuries of baggage and stupidity.

Strong disagree. A secular country is a prosperous, less violent country.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The loss of a sacred worldview has led to a Materialistic reductionism. This represents a loss of transcendence, meaning and a disenchanted world that is hardly worth living in. It is basically saying that the spiritual is not real and only the material matters. It prioritizes personal comfort over sacrifice and suffering for a good cause. People stopped asking ultimate questions because daily life stopped demanding them. The problem here is that it is delusional. We need meaning for matter to matter. Being made in Gods image gives us a dignity that transcends the day to day and a reason to fight for things that are important when circumstances are against us. Only a vibrant spiritual church can truly transform and heal the world. Materialistic reductionism is a worldview that is slowly hollowing out the soul.

Moral Relativism is a symptom of unbelief and breeds confusion and brain rot at the deepest level. How can we trust when there is no understanding of objective truth anymore. How can we be held to account when there is no agreed higher standard. How can we be saved when we no longer believe we are sinners in the eyes of God and in need of the redemption that He offers us. Moral relativism turns disagreements into power struggles and divides us in camps and isolated bubbles of delusional stupidity. Without objective moral truth, grace itself becomes unintelligible

Egoism is a separating force that destroys families, communities and the fabric of European society. The bible is clear that we need to live lives of sacrifice and self denial to experience true freedom. Finite, imperfect mortals do not compare to God and only He is a fitting object of worship. Communities are not nice to have hobby or support groups they depend on our giving and our love to make them thrive. We find ourselves in our promises and in our service to others and God rather than in self-promotion and service of ourselves.

We could discuss such things, but they are hardly "politics".

Europe has been a long time getting to this point. Some trace the roots of its current efforts at spiritual suicide to the Reformation and the division that brought. We went secular as a way of avoiding the religious wars. But I would go further back to the negative developments within Catholicism that necessitated that split in the first place. However we got here something needs to change and we need to get back to basics. The church is not the state/empire, God sees through hypocrisy, we have a dignity that is greater than the world is telling us we have, the true church is now the counter culture not the mainstream, everyone can be saved even Muslims, Atheists and Agnostics. We have the only message of true hope, true love and true life out there but people are being blocked from hearing by centuries of baggage and stupidity. We need to lose th e baggage and get back to basics. Europe's need and its spiritual poverty has not been so dire for more than a thousand years

The video was trying a little hard putting the "blame" on wide range of "culprits" for the decline of Christianity in Europe. (Cousin Martin, the Enlightenment, the Industrial Revolution and urbanization, ...). The title is rubbish. (Decline of a religion is not being "anti" that religion. SMH.) The video itself was OK, though the viewpoint was obvious. I think this "reaching" was just about characterizing the origins of the various things the creator impacted the decline of Christianity in Europe relative their "ideal" of peasants living in small villages dominated by the local church. (Been there, done that, don't recommend.)

 

[Vanellus]

Stupidly, the UK government is removing the two-child benefit cap which almost exclusively only benefits Muslim families.

260,000 of the families affected by the cap have at least one white parent; 30,000 identify as black and 60,000 identify as Asian which shows that your above statement is false.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Having no meaning in one’s life is an experience of such freedom that anything else is a veritable straight jacket in a prison.

Maybe when life seems to be going well. But I would think that when tragedy, hardship, depression, and grief enter the picture it helps to find some meaning somewhere.

 

[Larniavc]

Maybe when life seems to be going well. But I would think that when tragedy, hardship, depression, and grief enter the picture it helps to find some meaning somewhere.

Possibly but I never felt that way myself.

 

[mindlight]

Your constant refrain of saying that western civilisation wouldn't collapse if everyone just prayed at the altar of your religion reminds me of confucianism and it's attempt to prop up a failing societal order by demanding everyone follows the same rituals surrounding that order.

I am not talking about a return to medieval scholasticism, Christianity is more flexible than that. But the archetypes on which the success of Christian civilization are founded are Christian ones and even we need to redefine how we engage with them, jettisoning them completely is a big mistake.

 

[mindlight]

Maybe when life seems to be going well. But I would think that when tragedy, hardship, depression, and grief enter the picture it helps to find some meaning somewhere.

Also giving kids a framework that amounts to nothing in particular is major disservice. Nothing does not export as well as something, it is less credible and completely irrelevant.

 

[mindlight]

I trust myself totally to make the best choice based on the information I have at the time.

But you are not the final judge of your choices nor would you be even if you did not believe in God. Where your choices have social implications the community and its laws set limits. The problem with the egoism that you are promoting here is a credibility issue, relevance to others and the potential dangers it poses to society as a whole.

 

[mindlight]

Strong disagree. A secular country is a prosperous, less violent country.

A secular country with a Christian past and mature democracy is more likely to be less violent and prosperous than one with out that.

Christians account for half the worlds wealth and the wealth of secular people is concentrated in the hands of those who live in post-Christian or Christian cultures. Secular in China means to be relatively poorer for example. (Credit Suisse wealth survey mapped to Pew religious polling - get Chatgpt to process the relationship)

Regarding Violence, where you put the time stamp is crucial. Soviet and Chinese secularism have together produced the most violent periods of human history. If you regard Nazi ideology as secular, as do I, then the problem is further exacerbated for secular ideologues. If you extend the definition of violence to include abortion and euthanasia then secular society is more often than not entirely brutal.

Currently Islam is without doubt the worlds most violent religion. I used the following prompt in chatgpt to get this conclusion. Christianity has most of its violence in Africa in areas where it is in conflict with Islam but also in Latin America where this explanation does not work. Western society is quite peaceful - I would suggest for Christian and post global war reasons. Limiting the dataset to the last 30 years meant that both European world wars and Chinas revolution and war with Japan were avoided in the stats. This is a peacetime comparison:

Find me accurate statistics of violent deaths by crime, war, civil war and terrorist activity plotted by country. Then find the predominant religion of that country. Weight each country by its population size and then analysis. Which religion produced the most violent society over the last 30 years. Separate Chinese humanism from Western style humanism (non-religion) as these are different kinds. Give me scores for Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Chinese Humanism, Western Humanism and Judaism

It accessed the following sources:
Uppsala Conflict Data Program (UCDP)
Global Terrorism Index
UNODC Global Study on Homicide

 

[Laodicean60]

We are literally being invaded and replaced by Muslims.

People can scoff all they want at that notion, but all they're doing is watering the tree we'll be hung from.

Stupidly, the UK government is removing the two-child benefit cap which almost exclusively only benefits Muslim families.

Unmitigated migration from African and Muslim countries is decimating any remaining semblance of national identity, and they're bringing over beliefs completely contrary to our own.

I'm beyond caring about being called racist now. I think there's a misconception that racism is a position of ignorance, but I think at this point it's the opposite; we see them, we see what they're about, we see the problems they bring, we see how they think of us, and we do not like it or want them here.

It's no surprise countries are skewing further and further right. If this goes on for another decade there will be civil wars.

Yes, if one group pro creates at a faster rate in time laws will change for that groups beliefs. Most liberal and Christian beliefs are against muslim beliefs.
I don't let people shame me for making truthful statements for some everything sounds racist. I know I'm not racist being a WHITE man I prejudice especially those lazy guys at work who's making the same as me.

 

[Laodicean60]

Europe facing civilizational erasure?

Yes, it's a fact that if demographic change laws change. Trump spoke some truth on this one.

 

[Larniavc]

A secular country with a Christian past and mature democracy is more likely to be less violent and prosperous than one with out that.

Like Japan?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Possibly but I never felt that way myself.

So you are content with a meaningless existence?

 

[BCP1928]

So you are content with a meaningless existence?

Perhaps he just likes it better than being told what the meaning of his life is by someone else.

 

[Robban]

The new American national security review suggests Europe needs strengthening. Is Europe facing civilizational erasure? Is American policy good for Europe or not?

The report points to various weaknesses and issues to work with:

1) A declining share of global GNP - 25 --> 14% since 1990
2) Problematic cultural and civilization erosion - activities of the European Union and other transnational bodies that undermine political liberty and sovereignty, migration policies that are transforming the continent and creating strife, censorship of free speech and suppression of political opposition, cratering birthrates, and loss of national identities and self-confidence.
3) Despite possessing a greater hard power than Russia in every category but nukes Europe lacks self- confidence.

The policy of the USA should therefore be:

Our broad policy for Europe should prioritize:
• Reestablishing conditions of stability within Europe and strategic stability with Russia;
• Enabling Europe to stand on its own feet and operate as a group of aligned sovereign nations, including by taking primary responsibility for its own defense, without being dominated by any adversarial power;
• Cultivating resistance to Europe’s current trajectory within European nations;
• Opening European markets to U.S. goods and services and ensuring fair treatment of U.S. workers and businesses;
• Building up the healthy nations of Central, Eastern, and Southern Europe through commercial ties, weapons sales, political collaboration, and cultural and educational exchanges;
• Ending the perception, and preventing the reality, of NATO as a perpetually expanding alliance; and
• Encouraging Europe to take action to combat mercantilist overcapacity, technological theft, cyber espionage, and other hostile economic practices.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/2025-National-Security-Strategy.pdf

Your point #3 is missing something in regards to power.

One thing to keep in mind is, The spirit of Russia is resilient, Russia will prevail, it has been proven.

The fairies in the leadership of EU and UK will be reminded of, unless they admit their foolishness in time.