‘To make Greenland a part of the U.S.’: Trump appoints new special envoy

[BCP1928]

Actually, some are living up to the stereotype.

...by giving the "ok" to a sentiment about Greenland that they wouldn't be okay with if it were Britain or the US.

Why should they have the same sentiment in all three cases? They are different.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I am 100% for the acquisition of Greenland, just like I am 100% supportive of the colonization of North America which began in the 1600's. I offer no apologies.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Historical context matters.

I think historical context has become the excuse to malign western civilizations and countries from now though eternity because they'll always be something bad in history to point to. (or a chance for the younger crowd to self-flagellate and poo poo all over the culture that produced all of the things they love to show everyone else how "see we're one of the good ones")

What's the statute of limitation ?

Like, when is it going to be okay for westerners to be proud of western civilization & culture and openly acknowledge that it's produced more things, has more ideas worth spreading, and made larger contributions to modern civilization than any other culture?

2050? 2100? Year 3000?

 

[Stopped_lurking]

I am 100% for the acquisition of Greenland, just like I am 100% supportive of the colonization of North America which began in the 1600's. I offer no apologies.

Can I ask you why? Also do you support the use of military force if the greenlanders don't want to be part of the US?

 

[Landon Caeli]

Can I ask you why? Also do you support the use of military force if the greenlanders don't want to be part of the US?

Because Greenlanders are not using Greenland to it's greatest potential, instead, it is being nursed, and dragged along in time, like an eternal infant.

I do not support the use of military force, however.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

I think historical context has become the excuse to malign western civilizations and countries from now though eternity because they'll always be something bad in history to point to. (or a chance for the younger crowd to self-flagellate and poo poo all over the culture that produced all of the things they love to show everyone else how "see we're one of the good ones")

What's the statute of limitation ?

Like, when is it going to be okay for westerners to be proud of western civilization & culture and openly acknowledge that it's produced more things, has more ideas worth spreading, and made larger contributions to modern civilization than any other culture?

2050? 2100? Year 3000?

You can be proud today if you want, but what is the connection to Trumps aspirations on Greenland? They already have a connection to western civilization & culture.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

Because Greenlanders are not using Greenland to it's greatest potential, instead, it is being nursed, and dragged along in time, like an eternal infant.

I do not support the use of military force, however, unless Americans who go there get hurt. Then I would.

Why would americans get hurt? Other than perhaps if they get in a barfight, when drunk.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Why would americans get hurt? Other than perhaps if they get in a barfight, when drunk.

Good point.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

You can be proud today if you want, but what is the connection to Trumps aspirations on Greenland? They already have a connection to western civilization & culture.

The connection they have is somewhat tenuous.

And it would appear as if they're still lagging behind a lot of countries countries in terms of development indicators.

Life expectancy: Around 71-72 years
Infant mortality: Currently around 9.4-9.6 deaths per 1,000 live births (nearly quadruple the rate of mainland Denmark)
Healthcare Access: About 18% of their healthcare budget goes toward facilitating treatments outside Greenland

As of January 2024, about 73.3% of Greenland's population had internet access (lower than most developed nations)

One of the highest suicide rates in the world at approximately 81 per 100,000 people annually.

On the education front:
Only 13% of the population aged 25+ has completed any sort of tertiary education

Grønlands Statistik

stat.gl

 

[Desk trauma]

The connection they have is somewhat tenuous.

And it would appear as if they're still lagging behind a lot of countries countries in terms of development indicators.

Life expectancy: Around 71-72 years
Infant mortality: Currently around 9.4-9.6 deaths per 1,000 live births (nearly quadruple the rate of mainland Denmark)
Healthcare Access: About 18% of their healthcare budget goes toward facilitating treatments outside Greenland

As of January 2024, about 73.3% of Greenland's population had internet access (lower than most developed nations)

One of the highest suicide rates in the world at approximately 81 per 100,000 people annually.

On the education front:
Only 13% of the population aged 25+ has completed any sort of tertiary education

Grønlands Statistik

stat.gl

Which of course justifies the US demand for the territory, much like the awful development stats from Mississippi justify another nation acquiring it.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Which of course justifies the US demand for the territory, much like the awful development stats from Mississippi justify another nation acquiring it.

Nobody acquires from the US. We're the colossus - the alfa White Bewilderbeast.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

The connection they have is somewhat tenuous.

And it would appear as if they're still lagging behind a lot of countries countries in terms of development indicators.

Life expectancy: Around 71-72 years
Infant mortality: Currently around 9.4-9.6 deaths per 1,000 live births (nearly quadruple the rate of mainland Denmark)
Healthcare Access: About 18% of their healthcare budget goes toward facilitating treatments outside Greenland

As of January 2024, about 73.3% of Greenland's population had internet access (lower than most developed nations)

One of the highest suicide rates in the world at approximately 81 per 100,000 people annually.

On the education front:
Only 13% of the population aged 25+ has completed any sort of tertiary education

Grønlands Statistik

stat.gl

Yes, but they don't want to be forced to be a part of the US. They had an election in March of this year. The party that trusted Trump didn't get a single seat. Are you prepared to force them against their will?

Trump have done even less for them so far. How would those numbers change because they became part of the US?

What is the life expectancy of native americans in the US? If that is an indication of what Greenland can expect.

 

[Larniavc]

If so, then their objections vs. the "America for Americans" objections aren't as different as you'd like them to be. It just doesn't have the same demographic dynamic that causes people to immediately attribute to racist motives.

If you don't understand the difference between a Nation State forcibly annexing a State and immigration you need to go back to school.

But you're not an idiot so please stop posting like one.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Yes, but they don't want to be forced to be a part of the US. They had an election in March of this year. The party that trusted Trump didn't get a single seat. Are you prepared to force them against their will?

Trump have done even less for them so far. How would those numbers change because they became part of the US?

I don't think they should be "forced", I'm mainly objecting to the notion that they wouldn't be made better.

Foreign interest and foreign investment has a way of creating demand for certain upgrades and modernizations to be built/constructed.

Do you think places like Alaska, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico would be as modern and developed as they are today had they not become part of the US?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

much like the awful development stats from Mississippi justify another nation acquiring it.

...hence the reason we operate off of mean, average, and median data, and we don't pick the most absolute "worst/best" case scenarios.

The stats I posted are were for the entire population.

If the entire United States was the in the same boat as Mississippi, and Canada was doing great, then sure, one could make a reasonable assertion that they'd be better off under Canadian rule.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

If you don't understand the difference between a Nation State forcibly annexing a State and immigration you need to go back to school.

I understand the differences in exterior circumstances, but I'm talking about the sentiment for why they wouldn't want that.

And the rationale is the same.

When someone says "Greenland is for Greenlanders", those are specific words that were chosen for a reason.

Those words implying "we don't want a culture that's different from ours ending up having influence on our data to day lives"

As it currently stands, they're already a territory of a different country (Denmark), and that country (Denmark) already ceded a significant amount of sovereignty to much larger nations when they joined the EU.

So to pretend that it's strictly about some sort of deep passion for the concept of sovereignty doesn't hold water.

 

[Larniavc]

The connection they have is somewhat tenuous.

And it would appear as if they're still lagging behind a lot of countries countries in terms of development indicators.

Life expectancy: Around 71-72 years
Infant mortality: Currently around 9.4-9.6 deaths per 1,000 live births (nearly quadruple the rate of mainland Denmark)
Healthcare Access: About 18% of their healthcare budget goes toward facilitating treatments outside Greenland

As of January 2024, about 73.3% of Greenland's population had internet access (lower than most developed nations)

One of the highest suicide rates in the world at approximately 81 per 100,000 people annually.

On the education front:
Only 13% of the population aged 25+ has completed any sort of tertiary education

Grønlands Statistik

stat.gl

Good job America has such a good track record in uplifting other Nations isn't it. And don't forget that America has and order of magnitude more gun deaths than Greenland so I can't imagine them wanting that.

 

[Larniavc]

Yes, but they don't want to be forced to be a part of the US. They had an election in March of this year. The party that trusted Trump didn't get a single seat. Are you prepared to force them against their will?

Silly goose! This is a poorly hidden "but who are the REAL racist?" attempt at a gotcha.

 

[Larniavc]

I'm mainly objecting to the notion that they wouldn't be made better.

But by America? Have you seen the flyover red states? America needs to fix itself first because I seriously doubt the competence of America (any administration) to fix itself.

 

[Larniavc]

Do you think places like Alaska, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico would be as modern and developed as they are today had they not become part of the US?

39% of people in Puerto Rico live in poverty. America in general is 18% with Greenland at about 9%.

Greenland needs America like a hole in the head.

List of U.S. states and territories by poverty rate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Poverty Rate by Country 2025

Comprehensive overview of the poverty rate by country measured as the percentage of the population living below the national poverty line, including what is number one country in poverty.

worldpopulationreview.com