Is there another '1st World' country, where our darkskin-Black friends get arrested for having mental health crises?

[Factotum]

... remember too, if you and @BPPLEE find tomorrow that you completed yall's objective to start up enough nonsense in here for Admin to close this thread? It won't change how THE. LAWS. STILL. EXIST! ...

'nuff said

 

[Factotum]

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Yes, Michigan has laws and is developing programs, like Mobile Crisis Teams (MCTs) and Co-Responder Teams (CRTs), that enable mental health experts to respond to crises, often diverting from or working with police, focusing on de-escalation and health-based solutions, aligning with federal guidance for health-focused responses instead of law enforcement-only ones. Key Michigan laws like MCL 333.20967 give authority to health professionals at emergencies, while specific programs are expanding, supported by state leaders.

Key Michigan Laws & Concepts:
MCL 333.20967 (Emergency Patient Management): Gives licensed health professionals authority to manage patients at an emergency scene, similar to EMS, allowing for health-led intervention.
MCL 330.1712 & 330.1748 (Mental Health Code): Focus on person-centered care, confidentiality, and rights, underpinning how services are delivered, including crisis support.

Emerging Models & Programs:
Mobile Crisis Teams (MCTs): Community-based mental health professionals respond to crises, often without police initially, though police can be called if needed.
Co-Responder Teams (CRTs): Pair law enforcement with clinicians to respond together, blending law enforcement presence with mental health expertise.
988 & MiCAL: Michigan's 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline (MiCAL) routes calls to trained crisis counselors, providing immediate support and diverting some calls from 911 dispatch.

Support for Alternatives:
A 2024 University of Michigan survey showed most Michigan law enforcement leaders support alternative response models, indicating a push for these health-based approaches.

Federal Context:
Federal guidance emphasizes that people with behavioral health needs deserve a health response, not just a law enforcement one, pushing states to invest in non-police crisis services.

 

[Factotum]

 

[BPPLEE]

'nuff said

But do they exist in the state where the situation in the OP took place? No, not like you’re claiming.

Yes, Michigan has laws and is developing programs, like Mobile Crisis Teams (MCTs) and Co-Responder Teams (CRTs), that enable mental health experts to respond to crises, often diverting from or working with police, focusing on de-escalation and health-based solutions, aligning with federal guidance for health-focused responses instead of law enforcement-only ones. Key Michigan laws like MCL 333.20967 give authority to health professionals at emergencies, while specific programs are expanding, supported by state leaders.
Key Michigan Laws & Concepts:
MCL 333.20967 (Emergency Patient Management): Gives licensed health professionals authority to manage patients at an emergency scene, similar to EMS, allowing for health-led intervention.
MCL 330.1712 & 330.1748 (Mental Health Code): Focus on person-centered care, confidentiality, and rights, underpinning how services are delivered, including crisis support.
Emerging Models & Programs:
Mobile Crisis Teams (MCTs): Community-based mental health professionals respond to crises, often without police initially, though police can be called if needed.
Co-Responder Teams (CRTs): Pair law enforcement with clinicians to respond together, blending law enforcement presence with mental health expertise.
988 & MiCAL: Michigan's 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline (MiCAL) routes calls to trained crisis counselors, providing immediate support and diverting some calls from 911 dispatch.
Support for Alternatives:
A 2024 University of Michigan survey showed most Michigan law enforcement leaders support alternative response models, indicating a push for these health-based approaches.
Federal Context:
Federal guidance emphasizes that people with behavioral health needs deserve a health response, not just a law enforcement one, pushing states to invest in non-police crisis services.

These programs pair mental health professionals with law enforcement, it doesn’t replace law enforcement officers. Please read your own posts , it says “instead of law enforcement ONLY “
There may be some calls that don’t require law enforcement that mental health professionals can respond to but the situation in the OP is not one
Congratulations on posting more than just a link though.
I would have welcomed the help from mental health professionals when I was in law enforcement and later as head of security at a hospital.

 

[Factotum]

...it doesn’t replace law enforcement officers...

Replace???
Where did I use that term to make such a claim?

Word trickery doesn't work on me.

 

[BPPLEE]

From the OP
Moore was arraigned in Washentaw County district court and charged with third-degree home invasion, stalking (domestic relationship) and breaking and entering. Third-degree home invasion is a felony charge, while the other two charges are misdemeanors.

 

[Factotum]

I would have welcomed the help from mental health professionals...

I find this very hard to believe, and I think it is untrue.

 

[BPPLEE]

I find this very hard to believe, and I think it is untrue.

You think that I wanted to spend my time picking up people with mental health problems and babysitting them at the hospital?

 

[BPPLEE]

Replace???
Where did I use that term to make such a claim?

Word trickery doesn't work on me.

Okay if you’re not talking about replacing police officers there are programs in the area where mental health professionals respond with law enforcement and some situations that don’t require law enforcement at all that mental health professionals can respond to, the situation in the OP is not one

 

[Factotum]

From the OP
Moore was arraigned in Washentaw County district court and charged with third-degree home invasion, stalking (domestic relationship) and breaking and entering. Third-degree home invasion is a felony charge, while the other two charges are misdemeanors.

Yes, I already know. You appreciated how law enforcement PECULIARLY handled a mental health crisis instead of cops allowing MCL 333.20967 (Emergency Patient Management) to be applied. I bet Sherrone Moore would appreciate your peculiar way of enforcing laws.

 

[Factotum]

Okay if you’re not talking about replacing police officers there are programs in the area where mental health professionals respond with law enforcement and some situations that don’t require law enforcement at all that mental health professionals can respond to

Yes, I do thank you for FINALLY stating my position correctly after 7 pages of posts. Especially if you replace "require" with 'allow' there.

 

[BPPLEE]

Yes, I do thank you for FINALLY stating my position correctly after 7 pages of posts. Especially if you replace "require" with 'allow' there.

Okay now you’re saying law enforcement is not allowed there, obviously this can’t be the case because who are these mental health professionals going to call if they need help with a violent person or the person is armed?

 

[BPPLEE]

Yes, I do thank you for FINALLY stating my position correctly after 7 pages of posts. Especially if you replace "require" with 'allow' there.

Evidently your position changed or perhaps you needed help articulating it

 

[Factotum]

...

Key Michigan Laws & Concepts:
MCL 333.20967 (Emergency Patient Management): Gives licensed health professionals authority to manage patients at an emergency scene, similar to EMS, allowing for health-led intervention.
MCL 330.1712 & 330.1748 (Mental Health Code): Focus on person-centered care, confidentiality, and rights, underpinning how services are delivered, including crisis support.

Emerging Models & Programs:
Mobile Crisis Teams (MCTs): Community-based mental health professionals respond to crises, often without police initially, though police can be called if needed.
Co-Responder Teams (CRTs): Pair law enforcement with clinicians to respond together, blending law enforcement presence with mental health expertise.
988 & MiCAL: Michigan's 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline (MiCAL) routes calls to trained crisis counselors, providing immediate support and diverting some calls from 911 dispatch...

I plaster a few laws to master, via @Hans Blaster, when faster word trickery be slickery like that oil called caster.

 

[Factotum]

Evidently your position changed or perhaps you needed help articulating it

I have no control over your hallucinations or incantations

 

[BPPLEE]

I have no control over your hallucinations or incantations

I’m not taking mushrooms and I have no magic words

 

[BPPLEE]

Yes, I already know. You appreciated how law enforcement PECULIARLY handled a mental health crisis instead of cops allowing MCL 333.20967 (Emergency Patient Management) to be applied. I bet Sherrone Moore would appreciate your peculiar way of enforcing laws.

This was not a situation that mental health professionals could respond to without law enforcement

 

[Larniavc]

The next time someone breaks into your house be sure and call a mental health professional because they might not be thinking clearly
And the college shouldn't have fired him, clearly he wasn't thinking straight, they should have got him some mental health counseling and fired the woman for tempting him

What I think might be better is if the police in America were given more than the bare minimum training in mental health problems.

 

[BPPLEE]

What I think might be better is if the police in America were given more than the bare minimum training in mental health problems.

I would support that because I've spent a lot of time with psych patients in both of my careers.
What is really needed in my state is more psychiatric facilities to deal with them
At one hospital I worked at they stayed in the ER for weeks sometimes waiting to get a bed in a psychiatric facility.
At the larger hospital I went to work for we had our own psychiatric facility a couple of blocks away. It worked much better there

 

[Factotum]

What I think might be better is if the police in America were given more than the bare minimum training...

They are EXACTLY given more than the bare minimum. They make a conscious choice to NOT use that training.