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Well, it's quite a dismal abrogation of your self imposed duty in arguing for the extra judicial killing of drug runners in now suggesting that they must be granted all legal and morally accepted forms of due process should they cross an arbitrary line designating territorial waters.

What pathetic, liberal, bleeding-heart, left wing dross is this? Shame on any true red, white and blue blooded MAGA supporter who likewise supports and mollycoddles these terrorists.

As Trump said, you must kill them all. Make it known that drug dealers reaching 'a safe point' like some made up rule in a kids' game (nah, nah, I'm safe! Can't kill me now!) is something up with which you are not going to put!

Stand up and be counted! Nail those patriotic colours to that new White House mast and make the president proud!

The world will turn away in embarrasment, but don't you fret about that.
Are you feeling well? Because frankly, you sound a little...off. Furthermore, do you have any idea how wars are fought? Do you think soldiers storm the battlefield with handcuffs to arrest the enemy and bring them to trial?
 
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As I said, they're not identical. Quibbling over the details is irrelevant - again, the point is that there is no consistent definition of what a "fishing boat" might look like in the Caribbean, so saying that something "doesn't look like a fishing boat" because it doesn't look like a random picture of a fishing boat that you found on the internet is a red herring.

The similarities between the two boats in my post are their size (roughly 20 ft) and their general layout (open boats with fairly low freeboard).
Well, the biggest difference is that one boat was full of fish and fishing gear, but all the boats that were destroyed appeared to be full of drugs and no fishing gear. By the way, did you ever find any evidence that any actual fishing boats were attacked? I really want to know why so many people are insisting that Trump is blowing up fishing boats.
 
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I was being generous. They were absolutely nothing alike. It was like comparing a Toyota Yaris to a Ford F-150.
Ford F-150 loaded with drugs.
 
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Under the War Powers Resolution of 1973, the President can introduce U.S. Armed Forces, including Marines, into hostilities or situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated for up to 60 days without congressional authorization.
The first strike was on Sept. 2. That is over 90 days. He is outside his timeframe.
 
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That's not hear say. There isbvudeo evidence of the strikes. There is testimony from those involved. That is not hearsay.
No one is saying there weren't strikes. What testimony of those directly involved? And testimony given to the court? Like you said this is why we have courts.
 
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The answer is none. The last time congress executed their power to declare war was for WW2. So when you think about all the wars and conflicts the United States either started or got involved, it was not because Congress declared war. So the notion that we cannot be at war with drug cartels because "only congress can declare war" is nonsense.
Congress can also pass a resolution, which is how Vietnam and Iraq I&II were authorized. Read the War Powers Act of 1973.
 
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The first strike was on Sept. 2. That is over 90 days. He is outside his timeframe.
I will take it that you admit that the president can use military force without congressional approval?
 
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This isn't that kind of war which goes on for years. It's a swift putting an end to a problem.
A war on organized drug crime will be over just like that?

Thats some born-yesterday stuff right there.
 
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Do you think soldiers storm the battlefield with handcuffs to arrest the enemy and bring them to trial?
According to you they'll be arrested and placed into those handcuffs if they cross that invisible line into US waters. Safe at last! Nice cosy cell. Maybe bail. Chance to get home and try again. Or worse case...a few years locked up. What about all the people you say they are killing?

Where's your retribution then? It dissapears when they move a hundred metres or so? Those guys hanging on to whatever was left of their boat have drifted into US waters while the Admiral took an hour for lunch. So why don't you demand that they are still summarily killed? They're even closer to delivering all those drugs. Why the bleeding-heart concern for their rights all of a sudden? Why the sudden demand for due processd? Some people were never so keen on it before. Y'all getting soft on terrorists now?

Someone get these poor shipwrecked guys some warm, dry clothes. Give them a decent feed and a warm bed. Get a lawyer for them. Make sure they are read their rights and get a phone call. Ahora están a salvo, muchachos.
 
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According to you they'll be arrested and placed into those handcuffs if they cross that invisible line into US waters. Safe at last! Nice cosy cell. Maybe bail. Chance to get home and try again. Or worse case...a few years locked up. What about all the people you say they are killing?

Where's your retribution then? It dissapears when they move a hundred metres or so? Those guys hanging on to whatever was left of their boat have drifted into US waters while the Admiral took an hour for lunch. So why don't you demand that they are still summarily killed? They're even closer to delivering all those drugs. Why the bleeding-heart concern for their rights all of a sudden? Why the sudden demand for due processd? Some people were never so keen on it before. Y'all getting soft on terrorists now?

Someone get these poor shipwrecked guys some warm, dry clothes. Give them a decent feed and a warm bed. Get a lawyer for them. Make sure they are read their rights and get a phone call. Ahora están a salvo, muchachos.
Okay. You have convinced me. We cannot possibly allow that to happen. So it is probably best to blow them up in international waters before they enter the country. After all, terrorists aren't murdered in international waters just like children aren't murdered in the womb (so I am told). Ironic seeing how both are done to potentially save the lives of young women.
 
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A war on organized drug crime will be over just like that?

Thats some born-yesterday stuff right there.
With cooperation from the host nation, these wars can end rather quickly. That's what happened with the drug cartels in southeast Asia.

I might add that taking out the cartels is easy. The problem is that another one pops up immediately. So it is a game of wack-a-mole.
 
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A war on organized drug crime will be over just like that?

Thats some born-yesterday stuff right there.
Ah, I should have been more specific and detailed for any born-yesterday folks out there. Since Trump says he's never gone to war and ended servral wars, any time he does anything that involves the military there's an outcry from his detractors. In this case Trump in an approximation of what he would say is, they're going to know now for sure that whenever they use boats to smuggle drugs into the United States, we're going bomb the tar out of them. Which in theory will put a swift end to that problem.

The idea is that foreigners committing crimes against and within United States should start being genuinely afraid to do so because of the swift and severe repercussions they'll face. Now I'm not promoting any of this personally. I'm just summarizing what's going on in my opinion. For a long time the United States has been a doormat for foreign crime, and Trump wants to turn that doormat into a landmine.
 
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No one is saying there weren't strikes. What testimony of those directly involved? And testimony given to the court? Like you said this is why we have courts.
The Admiral testified before Congress. Other military men have retired and spoken as to this being the cause. I haven't said they testified in court, yet.
 
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I will take it that you admit that the president can use military force without congressional approval?
He can do lots of things but that doesn't make It legal. Getting Congressional approval would remove the legal issues domestically but there is still International law.
 
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Yes, a Congressional resolution is just miles and miles of bureaucracy and red tape. After all, look how long it took Roosevelt to get a declaration of war out of Congress in 1941. It took Johnson even longer to get the Gulf of Tonkin resolution--three whole days!!!
Those were different times before so much enabling passive liberalism had permeated congress and the senate.
 
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Okay. You have convinced me. We cannot possibly allow that to happen. So it is probably best to blow them up in international waters before they enter the country.
Oh, please. Do not try to convince us that you needed to be convinced. You have made your position just about as clear as it can be. Someone who not just excuses but celebrates the execution of defenceless men in the water is not going to have any qualms about it being done on terra firma, whatever the alleged crime. So spare us the pseudo sarcastic agreement.

Then again, maybe it's conscience that prevents you from agreeing with Trump when he says 'kill them all'.
 
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Oh, please. Do not try to convince us that you needed to be convinced. You have made your position just about as clear as it can be. Someone who not just excuses but celebrates the execution of defenceless men in the water is not going to have any qualms about it being done on terra firma, whatever the alleged crime. So spare us the pseudo sarcastic agreement.

Then again, maybe it's conscience that prevents you from agreeing with Trump when he says 'kill them all'.
Well, you made a very convincing argument. You have also not only excused, but celebrated the execution of innocent unborn children in defense of their mother's poor decisions. So spare the moral superiority complex, when in reality, you are no different than I. I say kill the murdering rapists to spare hundreds of innocent. You say, kill the innocent unborn to spare the murdering mother. So who is truly worse? As you have said, this is something you have to reconcile. But murder is a legal term and is nonsensical to discuss regarding the unborn, according to you. Likewise, murder is a legal term and is nonsensical to discuss regarding enemy combatants wishing to do harm to innocent American civilians, both women and children. Pick your poison.
 
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