SLOTKIN STUMPED! Senator Admits She's 'Not Aware' of Any 'Illegal' Orders From Trump to Military [WATCH]

[Valletta]

“To my knowledge, I am not aware of things that are illegal, but certainly there are some legal gymnastics that are going on with these Caribbean strikes and everything related to Venezuela,” Slotkin responded.

SLOTKIN STUMPED! Senator Admits She's 'Not Aware' of Any 'Illegal' Orders From Trump to Military [WATCH]

Michigan Senator Elissa Slotkin spoke with ABC's This Week host Martha Raddatz over the weekend and was forced to admit that, despite her viral video suggesting the contrary, President Trump has not issued any illegal orders to the military.

hannity.com

Then why make that outrageous video?

 

[BCP1928]

“To my knowledge, I am not aware of things that are illegal, but certainly there are some legal gymnastics that are going on with these Caribbean strikes and everything related to Venezuela,” Slotkin responded.

SLOTKIN STUMPED! Senator Admits She's 'Not Aware' of Any 'Illegal' Orders From Trump to Military [WATCH]

Michigan Senator Elissa Slotkin spoke with ABC's This Week host Martha Raddatz over the weekend and was forced to admit that, despite her viral video suggesting the contrary, President Trump has not issued any illegal orders to the military.

hannity.com

Then why make that outrageous video?

Because Trump is already on record as wanting to give illegal orders to the military.

 

[Valletta]

Because Trump is already on record as wanting to give illegal orders to the military.

Can you provide a citation?

 

[DaisyDay]

“To my knowledge, I am not aware of things that are illegal, but certainly there are some legal gymnastics that are going on with these Caribbean strikes and everything related to Venezuela,” Slotkin responded.

SLOTKIN STUMPED! Senator Admits She's 'Not Aware' of Any 'Illegal' Orders From Trump to Military [WATCH]

Michigan Senator Elissa Slotkin spoke with ABC's This Week host Martha Raddatz over the weekend and was forced to admit that, despite her viral video suggesting the contrary, President Trump has not issued any illegal orders to the military.

hannity.com

Then why make that outrageous video?

Why would telling military folk that they are not required not to follow illegal orders be outrageous?

We have already seen many instances of this administration flouting the law. The orders to strike the fishing boats may yet turn out to have been illegal. Detaining citizens without cause can be illegal. Deporting people against judges' orders is illegal.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Can you provide a citation?

"Can't you just shoot them, just shoot them in the legs or something?"

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/09/1097517470/trump-esper-book-defense-secretary

 

[Say it aint so]

“To my knowledge, I am not aware of things that are illegal, but certainly there are some legal gymnastics that are going on with these Caribbean strikes and everything related to Venezuela,” Slotkin responded.

SLOTKIN STUMPED! Senator Admits She's 'Not Aware' of Any 'Illegal' Orders From Trump to Military [WATCH]

Michigan Senator Elissa Slotkin spoke with ABC's This Week host Martha Raddatz over the weekend and was forced to admit that, despite her viral video suggesting the contrary, President Trump has not issued any illegal orders to the military.

hannity.com

Then why make that outrageous video?

Not outrageous. And it was made because service members were reaching out to outside counsel in light of being under a president who is not sure he is suppose to uphold the constitution. And who has a DOD head who refuses to answer if it's legal for the military to arrest US citizens. And didn't Trump ask his previous DOD why can't they just shoot protestors?

 

[chevyontheriver]

Why would telling military folk that they are not required not to follow illegal orders be outrageous?

It's not outrageous. In fact I imagine they are all told in basic training that they can and should refuse an illegal order.

We have already seen many instances of this administration flouting the law. The orders to strike the fishing boats may yet turn out to have been illegal. Detaining citizens without cause can be illegal. Deporting people against judges' orders is illegal.

Is there any specific instance of an illegal order? 'May yet turn out to have been' is all fine and dandy but if these congresspeople telling soldiers not to follow orders know of any specific instances I would hope that they specify exactly which 'illegal orders' are not to be followed. If they know of such orders they should impeach the president. (C'mon, they know they want to 'cause they did it twice before.)

 

[Hans Blaster]

“To my knowledge, I am not aware of things that are illegal, but certainly there are some legal gymnastics that are going on with these Caribbean strikes and everything related to Venezuela,” Slotkin responded.

SLOTKIN STUMPED! Senator Admits She's 'Not Aware' of Any 'Illegal' Orders From Trump to Military [WATCH]

Michigan Senator Elissa Slotkin spoke with ABC's This Week host Martha Raddatz over the weekend and was forced to admit that, despite her viral video suggesting the contrary, President Trump has not issued any illegal orders to the military.

hannity.com

Then why make that outrageous video?

What I make of it is that Hannity is a lying dirt bag and you fell for his distortions.

The summary in the info box claims that there are no illegal orders, but that is not what the Senator said what she said was:

“To my knowledge, I am not aware of things that are illegal, but certainly there are some legal gymnastics that are going on with these Caribbean strikes and everything related to Venezuela,” Slotkin responded.​

Which is exactly how you answer a question about something suspicious where you don't have direct information. Nothing she said vindicates Trump or Hegseth. If an illegal order has been given, to know that (and demonstrably claim to know it) you would need the order, the supporting evidence behind the justification for the attack, and a legal analysis. As far as I know the Administration has only provided videos of boats being blown up and vague claims of connection to "narco-terrorists". We are not even close to having the appropriate evidence to back that claim. I don't think the Senators have been given anything more definitive.

 

[Valletta]

What I make of it is that Hannity is a lying dirt bag and you fell for his distortions.

The summary in the info box claims that there are no illegal orders, but that is not what the Senator said what she said was:

“To my knowledge, I am not aware of things that are illegal, but certainly there are some legal gymnastics that are going on with these Caribbean strikes and everything related to Venezuela,” Slotkin responded.​

Which is exactly how you answer a question about something suspicious where you don't have direct information. Nothing she said vindicates Trump or Hegseth. If an illegal order has been given, to know that (and demonstrably claim to know it) you would need the order, the supporting evidence behind the justification for the attack, and a legal analysis. As far as I know the Administration has only provided videos of boats being blown up and vague claims of connection to "narco-terrorists". We are not even close to having the appropriate evidence to back that claim. I don't think the Senators have been given anything more definitive.

Everyone knows you don't have to do anything illegal. What the group was doing was trying to disrupt the military chain of command. Understand that the president is commander in chief, many presidents have conducted military operations. In fact, the U.S. has only declared war only 5 times in U.S. history, the last in World War II. The problem is that this group does not like to see Trump's successes, and are willing to damage our country and our national security in order to promote their own political agenda. I know the Pentagon has launched an investigation into Mark Kelly's actions, but I don't think they will be charged with sedition in this case. I do think if they try again charges will be brought. If members of Congress want to support the terrorists in these incidents they should bring a lawsuit against Trump.

 

[RDKirk]

Which is exactly how you answer a question about something suspicious where you don't have direct information. Nothing she said vindicates Trump or Hegseth. If an illegal order has been given, to know that (and demonstrably claim to know it) you would need the order, the supporting evidence behind the justification for the attack, and a legal analysis. As far as I know the Administration has only provided videos of boats being blown up and vague claims of connection to "narco-terrorists". We are not even close to having the appropriate evidence to back that claim. I don't think the Senators have been given anything more definitive.

I've seen significant imagery intelligence to indicate those boats were almost certainly used for drug running, even if they hadn't been running drugs that particular day.

The pertinent issue is whether destroying them rather than stopping them is authorized to the president by current Congressional authorizations.

Congress isn't taking any action to make that issue any clearer by their powers as the Legislative Branch. If the Supreme Court follows its usual policy of non-interference in military actions ordered by the president, they probably won't do anything either.

 

[RDKirk]

Everyone knows you don't have to do anything illegal. What the group was doing was trying to disrupt the military chain of command. Understand that the president is commander in chief, many presidents have conducted military operations. In fact, the U.S. has only declared war only 5 times in U.S. history, the last in World War II. The problem is that this group does not like to see Trump's successes, and are willing to damage our country and our national security in order to promote their own political agenda. I know the Pentagon has launched an investigation of Mark Kelly, but I don't think they will be charged with sedition in this case. I do think if they try again charges will be brought. If members of Congress want to support the terrorists in these incidents they can bring a lawsuit against Trump.

As much as I detest Donald Trump, and will argue any day that his regime is a fascist regime...

...I do agree that this group is trying to disrupt the military chain of command at the lowest levels. That is the worst thing they can do to the US military and, consequently, to the nation.

They are coyly urging mutiny. This is a suicide option. If they are successful, it will take 30 years of good administration to bring the military back from that disaster...the current lower ranking NCOs and officers will have to have age out of service before the military would be reliable again.

They are hoping the literal cavalry will rescue the country from 20 years of bad voting decisions. But the military does not have the authority to stop the Commander in Chief, and we don't want them to try.

The nation elected this plate of green wienies, so we have to eat it.

 

[wing2000]

Everyone knows you don't have to do anything illegal.

....except Donald Trump.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Everyone knows you don't have to do anything illegal.

What?

What the group was doing was trying to disrupt the military chain of command.

They weren't. As any one in the military can tell you they have an obligation to disobey an illegal order. Now determining that an order is illegal isn't alwasy easy.

Understand that the president is commander in chief, many presidents have conducted military operations. In fact, the U.S. has only declared war only 5 times in U.S. history, the last in World War II.

Historical trivia. Not relevant to this discussion.

The problem is that this group does not like to see Trump's successes, and are willing to damage our country and our national security in order to promote their own political agenda.

That's quite the accusation. Got any facts?

I know the Pentagon has launched an investigation into Mark Kelly's actions, but I don't think they will be charged with sedition in this case.

The Pentagon only investigates its own. If something illegal had been done it would be the DOJ. And of course there will be no charges, what the members of Congress did wasn't remotely illegal.

I do think if they try again charges will be brought.

Only if the DOJ is lawless.

If members of Congress want to support the terrorists in these incidents they should bring a lawsuit against Trump.

This sentence makes no sense an implies motives that are not demonstrated.

 

[DaisyDay]

It's not outrageous. In fact I imagine they are all told in basic training that they can and should refuse an illegal order.

Well, then.

Is there any specific instance of an illegal order? '

Not that I would know.

May yet turn out to have been' is all fine and dandy but if these congresspeople telling soldiers not to follow orders know of any specific instances I would hope that they specify exactly which 'illegal orders' are not to be followed. If they know of such orders they should impeach the president. (C'mon, they know they want to 'cause they did it twice before.)

Hopefully, they will not be given such orders - that would be best for all. Trump is not known for his lawful and cautious nature and, as his apparent dementia progresses, he may very well become even more erratic, impulsive and angry.

 

[wing2000]

As much as I detest Donald Trump, and will argue any day that his regime is a fascist regime...

...I do agree that this group is trying to disrupt the military chain of command at the lowest levels. That is the worst thing they can do to the US military and, consequently, to the nation.

They are coyly urging mutiny. This is a suicide option. If they are successful, it will take 30 years of good administration to bring the military back from that disaster...the current lower ranking NCOs and officers will have to have age out of service before the military would be reliable again.

They are hoping the literal cavalry will rescue the country from 20 years of bad voting decisions. But the military does not have the authority to stop the Commander in Chief, and we don't want them to try.

The nation elected this plate of green wienies, so we have to eat it.

Get back to us when a solder is court martialed for disobeying a legal order.

 

[durangodawood]

As much as I detest Donald Trump, and will argue any day that his regime is a fascist regime...

...I do agree that this group is trying to disrupt the military chain of command at the lowest levels. That is the worst thing they can do to the US military and, consequently, to the nation.

They are coyly urging mutiny. This is a suicide option. If they are successful, it will take 30 years of good administration to bring the military back from that disaster...the current lower ranking NCOs and officers will have to have age out of service before the military would be reliable again.

They are hoping the literal cavalry will rescue the country from 20 years of bad voting decisions. But the military does not have the authority to stop the Commander in Chief, and we don't want them to try.

The nation elected this plate of green wienies, so we have to eat it.

This sounds like an awfully dire outcome for reiterating what is basically an already known and true fact.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Trump is not known for his lawful and cautious nature and, as his apparent dementia progresses, he may very well become even more erratic, impulsive and angry.

Is this dementia diagnosed by any doctors?

 

[DaisyDay]

Pentagon threatens to court-martial senator who told troops they can refuse ‘illegal orders’

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has said Sen. Mark Kelly (D-Ariz.) is still subject to military law, “and he knows that.”

taskandpurpose.com

Trump has called for these Democrats to be hanged. It's not an order, but if followed, certainly illegal.

 

[wing2000]

Hegseth is an idiot.

The Department of Defense has threatened to recall Sen. Mark Kelly (D-Ariz), a retired Navy veteran, back to active duty to face a possible court-martial or administrative measures a week after he and five other lawmakers issued a video urging troops not to obey orders that violate the law or Constitution.

...but if he wants to double down in dumbness, have at it. Arizonans will repay MAGA next November.

 

[durangodawood]

Is this dementia diagnosed by any doctors?

Its analogous to the "court of public opinion". We can observe real things and make judgments that, even if correct, dont carry any force of law.

For my part, Im not sure. If not dementia, then something else is causing his mind to take its drunken walks from notion to notion. Could be a generic lack of focus tho.