the myth of flat earth debunked again

[Apple Sky]

You wrote "payers" - i.e people who pay - instead of prayers.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

And yet from where I live I can see Devon on a clear day which is about 60 miles.

Where are you in South Wales that Devon is 60 miles away from you? I don't need specific locations like the town or whatever, but let's just go with the county.

But regardless, on a clear day, I have no way of seeing the Isle of Man with my naked eye as would be expected to on a flat Earth. But it's perfectly expected on a globe earth.

 

[FaithT]

Laugh all you like.

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I certainly am.

 

[Apple Sky]

Where are you in South Wales that Devon is 60 miles away from you?

I can see North Devon on a clear day over the sea from where I live, it is about 60 miles away looking over the sea and I can also see Tenby.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I can see North Devon on a clear day over the sea from where I live, it is about 60 miles away looking over the sea and I can also see Tenby.

Since you just repeated what you said, I'll do the same:

Where are you in South Wales that Devon is 60 miles away from you? I don't need specific locations like the town or whatever, but let's just go with the county.


But regardless, on a clear day, I have no way of seeing the Isle of Man with my naked eye as would be expected to on a flat Earth. But it's perfectly expected on a globe earth.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I can see North Devon on a clear day over the sea from where I live, it is about 60 miles away looking over the sea and I can also see Tenby.

I also just realised that adding that you can see Tenby is... not a big thing, since it's just across the Bae Caerfyrddin, which is Carmarthen Bay to any non-Welsh speakers out there, and if you can see North Devon then you must be in that general area.

Which still doesn't address my point of how I can't see the Isle of Man on a clear day from the North Wales coast, which on a flat earth, I should be able to do easily.

 

[Apple Sky]

I also just realised that adding that you can see Tenby is... not a big thing, since it's just across the Bae Caerfyrddin, which is Carmarthen Bay to any non-Welsh speakers out there, and if you can see North Devon then you must be in that general area.

Correct.

Which still doesn't address my point of how I can't see the Isle of Man on a clear day from the North Wales coast,

I've no idea, how far is the Isle of Man from you ?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Correct.

Okay.

I've no idea, how far is the Isle of Man from you ?

A smidge over 70 miles. 70.61 miles. Can't see it at all. Impossible at ground level. Which should not be possible on a flat earth, since I should easily see it since the Isle of Manis has an average elevation of 48 metres above sea level. But it's impossible to see it from the North Wales coast.

Ergo, the earth is not flat.

 

[jonojim1337]

It's what a fool would do. I don't think photography paper makes a good substitute for toilet paper.

Sorry, I meant his autograph.

 

[Apple Sky]

A smidge over 70 miles. 70.61 miles. Can't see it at all. Impossible at ground level. Which should not be possible on a flat earth, since I should easily see it since the Isle of Manis has an average elevation of 48 metres above sea level. But it's impossible to see it from the North Wales coast.

Have you tried looking through a telescope or binoculars ?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Have you tried looking through a telescope or binoculars ?

Don't shift the goal posts by adding telescopes or binoculars or cameras or whatever into the mix.

On the flat earth model, at ground level, I should have no problem on a clear day seeing the Isle of Man, which stands at 48m metres above sea level. I should have no need to change either my own personal elevation nor use aids to magnify my vision to see it. On a flat earth, it should just be a straight line to see the Isle of Man.

This is impossible for me to do, and if you have to include adding telescopes or binoculars to the mix, then you're still compounding your erroneous claims because human sight does not just magically cut off.

Man, I'm having a horrible sense of deja vu here.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Man, I'm having a horrible sense of deja vu here.

Right, like I've had to post this in this very thread in 2019, 2024, and now again in 2025.

Santa Catalina island has an isthmus that is quite low at Two Harbors. Changing the height of observation reveals more or less of the isthmus.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Right, like I've had to post this in this very thread in 2019, 2024, and now again in 2025.

I was talking more about my specific example because I'm certain that I've said the exact same thing before and gotten the exact same sort of handwaving type comment in response.

 

[Apple Sky]

Don't shift the goal posts by adding telescopes or binoculars or cameras or whatever into the mix.

Why not ? We are talking 10 to 12 miles difference, that's 12 miles more than my 60 miles..

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Why not ? We are talking 10 to 12 miles difference, that's 12 miles more than my 60 miles..

Because it's shifting the goalposts. At flat elevation, with my own eyes, on a flat earth, I should have no problem at all seeing the Isle of Man. I do not.

Ergo, through simple use of logic, the flat earth models is incorrect and impossible.

 

[NxNW]

In regards to airplane windows, they are all convex, much like the lens on a go pro camera. In other words, you are looking out a curved window, not at a curved earth.

And yet, the wings of the plane and straight features on the ground are not distorted.

Ships don't disappear over the curvature of the earth

Yes they do.

That what you call science, and established facts have already had this effect is beyond dispute. The theory of evolution being a prime example. How many people will never believe in God based upon that one scientific theory alone, how many others raised in the faith have abandoned that faith because of the things they were taught as facts during the process of higher education?

Facts are taught as facts because they can be proved, which is what makes them facts.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Ships don't disappear over the curvature of the earth, they advance beyond your visual perspective.

They do, and this fact was known to the ancients 2000 years ago (if not more).

Pliny 65. 163

Here there is a mighty battle between learning on one side and the common herd on the other: the theory being that human beings are distributed all round the earth and stand with their feet pointing towards each other, and that the top of the sky is alike for them all and the earth trodden under foot at the centre in the same way from any direction, while ordinary people enquire why the persons on the opposite side don't fall off - just as if it were not reasonable that the people on the other side wonder that we do not fall off.

But what the crowd most debates is if it must believe that the conformation of the waters also rises in a curve. Nevertheless nothing else in the natural world is more visibly manifest. For (1) hanging drops of liquid always take the shape of small round globes; ... (5) The same cause explains why the land is not visible from the deck of a ship when in sight from the masthead; and why as a vessel passes far into the distance, if some shining object is tied to the top of the mast it appears slowly to sink and finally it is hidden from sight.

 

[prodromos]

Why not ? We are talking 10 to 12 miles difference, that's 12 miles more than my 60 miles..

The Bristol Channel is no more than 40 miles wide below Swansea

 

[Bradskii]

They do, and this fact was known to the ancients 2000 years ago (if not more).

I think Del has left the building. I was going to point out another couple of problems for him.

The first is that ships at night have navigation lights. On certain size ships there'd be two white lights visible from the back as she sails away from you. One on the stern and one atop the mast. If the world was flat then you'd always see those two lights. But as the ship sails away the lower one dissapears. Maybe Del could explain that.

And to contact the ship you'd use VHF radio. Except that as it sails over the horizon it will cut out. And aircraft at 10,000 feet with a decent VHF can contact ships at a distance of around 200 miles. But as the plane flies lower, the radius of the circle within which it can make contact gets smaller. Perhaps he would have had an answer for that as well.

 

[Apple Sky]

The Bristol Channel is no more than 40 miles wide below Swansea

I'm not facing the Bristol Channel from my view point I'm facing the Irish Sea.