Release from Epstein files

[rjs330]

Trump? No I think Biden was not releasing them because that is not a normal thing the government does. I think it was the conspiracy theorists who think this is a big deal. The only reason anyone cares about them now is it is one of the few avenues where Trump and his supporters disagree.

So you dont really care and are just trying to poke Trump supporters?

 

[rjs330]

Or is there supposed to be a conspiracy that the democrats are using it to tear the GOP apart or whatever?

It appears this really is the only reason the left cares. If they can help sow chaos they are happy to do so. Maybe we ought to just ignore them since their concern isn't really genuine.

 

[Servus]

It appears this really is the only reason the left cares. If they can help sow chaos they are happy to do so. Maybe we ought to just ignore them since their concern isn't really genuine.

Sounds like when it comes to this issue there are those on the left who are just basically trolling. So noted.

 

[DaisyDay]

It appears this really is the only reason the left cares.

Right, because that's all you can come up with? Insults are easier than understanding.

If they can help sow chaos they are happy to do so. Maybe we ought to just ignore them since their concern isn't really genuine.

Projection.

Sounds like when it comes to this issue there are those on the left who are just basically trolling. So noted.

Extreme projection. Classic.

 

[The Barbarian]

We still don't know what are in the files. Speculation that Trump is involved the child cases in about as stupid as it comes. The Biden admin would have released them in a heartbeat if he were.

The fact that Trump was caught creeping into the dressing room of under-aged females (he even privately bragged about it) does indicate that he was interested. So motive plus opportunity...

 

[Belk]

Based on how long several people in the government have had access to those files throughout two administrations, it seems unlikely there's anything in them that would lead to an indictment of child abuse. If there is, then Merrick Garland and those running the DOJ when the files were obtained would have a lot of explaining to do.

Have they actually looked through the files? Not sure what the procedure is and whom would be tasked with doing so.

That doesn't seem worth all of the hubbub that's going on over these files. Or is there supposed to be a conspiracy that the democrats are using it to tear the GOP apart or whatever?

You tell me. This was a huge matter of speculation on the conspiratorial fringe. I would not think this would still be a topic were it not for two items. One, it continues to be a pain point for Trump. Two, a lot of fringe individuals are certain it is part of a larger plot. The ongoing denials by top officials while not releasing much of the info is just adding fuel to the fire.

 

[Belk]

So you dont really care and are just trying to poke Trump supporters?

I did not care before. The continued refusal to address this on Trumps side makes me both curious and it causes me to wonder exactly what it is he does not want released.

 

[The Barbarian]

You tell me. This was a huge matter of speculation on the conspiratorial fringe. I would not think this would still be a topic were it not for two items. One, it continues to be a pain point for Trump. Two, a lot of fringe individuals are certain it is part of a larger plot. The ongoing denials by top officials while not releasing much of the info is just adding fuel to the fire.

Yes. A reasonable person would ask themselves why Trump would rather have people assume he's a pedophile when he could just release the evidence and clear his name. The MAGA explanation seems to be that Trump is protecting Bill Clinton.

 

[Servus]

Have they actually looked through the files? Not sure what the procedure is and whom would be tasked with doing so.

Biden and his staff and DOJ had access. Just as much access as Trump and his staff and DOJ have.

You tell me. This was a huge matter of speculation on the conspiratorial fringe. I would not think this would still be a topic were it not for two items. One, it continues to be a pain point for Trump. Two, a lot of fringe individuals are certain it is part of a larger plot. The ongoing denials by top officials while not releasing much of the info is just adding fuel to the fire.

A fire to some, silly nonsense to others.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

If you believe a law-abiding American should tell a sex worker recruiter’s boss not to recruit young girls, but avoid contacting authorities, you misunderstand what good citizenship and strong character truly mean.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,”

Or was he too dimwitted or self involved to notice or care what his good friend was up to. Surely they shared confidence.

He must have been aware. And knowing him. Took pleasure in, Epstein’s arrangements. Would anyone now really be surprised?

 

[camille70]

Yes. A reasonable person would ask themselves why Trump would rather have people assume he's a pedophile when he could just release the evidence and clear his name. The MAGA explanation seems to be that Trump is protecting Bill Clinton.

One of the emails said Clinton never went to the island but there was abuse taking place in New York and Florida so that alone means nothing. I don't think any of the victims have accused Clinton though.

 

[rambot]

I have seen Republicans take all manner of strategy to deal with this upcoming release.
So far I'm preferring this "there's probably nothing" strategy I'm seeing here to the other "raping teenagers isn't that big a deal" that is bubbling up on podcasts and commentaries

That feels like a losing strategy to me....

 

[essentialsaltes]

Or is there supposed to be a conspiracy that the democrats are using it to tear the GOP apart or whatever?

The Republicans don't need our help for that. MTG and Trump are on the outs over the issue.

 

[rambot]

If they can help sow chaos they are happy to do so.

So ALL the people who have said "release rhe epstein files" are just chaos agents or it just those lefties?

I remember when ALMOST every poster on CF was calling for the release.
To those who don't call foe it now, what has changed?

Speculation that Trump is involved the child cases in about as stupid as it comes

A quote like this makes it sound like the accusations just arise out of think vapor clouds.
I am GENUINELY curious if you could list all the "behaviours of concern" that HAVE GIVEN people the impression that Trump is inappropriate with young girl.
You can choose to include direct allegations (though im sure you are not able to) if you like or just include his utterly creepy behaviours. If you can list all of those events and quotes and still feel it's "stupid as they come", I'll be impressed.

Because I'll tell you what; I'd bet you, your father, and your male children have never done those things. Because your parents raised you right. We don't have those allegations because we don't incriminate ourselves by enjoying those past times.

Maybe we ought to just ignore them since their concern isn't really genuine.

Sounds like when it comes to this issue there are those on the left who are just basically trolling. So noted.

Honestly you can FEEL the relief of not having to intellectually defend the alleged pedophile anymore because "it's the left's fault" again.

I don't doubt it must get tiring.

 

[Belk]

Biden and his staff and DOJ had access. Just as much access as Trump and his staff and DOJ have.

That does not answer my question. I did not ask about access but about procedure. Why do we need to keep pointing out over and over that Biden did not promise to release these files, Trump did? Since Biden did not promise to do so what other standard process would have them going through the files? If you don't have an answer to that question continuing to bring up Biden is nothing more then a red herring.

A fire to some, silly nonsense to others.

I don't necessarily disagree. However, it is a trap of Trumps own manufacture. He rode the wave of fringe conspiracy and now it will continue to dog him until he addresses it.

 

[camille70]

This systematic review revealed no incriminating 'client list.' There was also no credible evidence found that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals as part of his actions. We did not uncover evidence that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1407001/dl?inline

 

[Say it aint so]

Yes, they knew that they were Russians. But they were duped into thinking they were going to get dirt on Hillary, when instead Veselnitskaya wanted to talk about sanctions against Russia. You seem to think that my pointing out that they had the meeting to get dirt on Hillary but were suckered, is trying to defend them is some way, which really doesn't make any sense.

But then again, this thread is about the current Epstein files situation, not something else that took place nearly ten years ago.

That is totally false. Trump et al knew exactly what the meeting was about. The email to Don Jr to set up the meeting:

June 3rd email to Trump Jr., Goldstone wrote:

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.
The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father. This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump – helped along by Aras and Emin.

Trump Jr. responded:

Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

There is NO mention of Russian sanctions. Just the potential dirt on Hillary.
Stop winging it.
Stop making it up as you go.

 

[Say it aint so]

Biden and his staff and DOJ had access. Just as much access as Trump and his staff and DOJ have.

Biden didn't run on releasing anything Epstein. Trump did. So did his head and second in command at the FBI.

 

[Say it aint so]

This systematic review revealed no incriminating 'client list.' There was also no credible evidence found that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals as part of his actions. We did not uncover evidence that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1407001/dl?inline

That is a notice by the FBI under the admin who is doing everything they can to keep things from the public. Take with one two grains of salt.

 

[Servus]

Biden didn't run on releasing anything Epstein. Trump did. So did his head and second in command at the FBI.

Show where Trump ran on releasing the Epstein files. It must be a proclamation he made during his campaign rallies the way you're putting it, so where is it?