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[Strong in Him]

Job doesn't describe the earth as round, he describes it as a seal which is round.

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He does not; why don't you read it?

The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.

"LIKE clay under a seal."
It does NOT say, "the earth is round because it the Lord stamped it in clay using a round seal."

You have found pictures of round seals; what happens if the seal is some other shape?

Job did not produce a picture of a round seal - that detail is yours.

 

[Apple Sky]

He does not; why don't you read it?

"LIKE clay under a seal."
It does NOT say, "the earth is round because it the Lord stamped it in clay using a round seal."

You have found pictures of round seals; what happens if the seal is some other shape?
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Job did not produce a picture of a round seal - that detail is yours.

You don't want to see the way in which this verse reads, as you may have to admit that the bible does actually teach F/E.

 

[Phil G]

You don't want to see the way in which this verse reads, as you may have to admit that the bible does actually teach F/E.

Hi Apple Sky, I see you are still misunderstanding this verse. The way you are reading it is to rip it completely out of its context. Please read the surrounding verses to read it in context. Job 38:12-15 KJV

12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

It's talking about how the morning changes the earth, its features changed from being hidden to being in sharp relief, like a seal (which is not defined as to what type of seal it is) changes featureless clay into clay with contours. Then (in the morning as opposed to the darkness) the power of the wicked is broken.

That’s the context. It has absolutely nothing to do with the shape of the earth. The seal in the verse can be any seal, not just the one you keep insisting on. Any seal at the time changed featureless clay into clay with contours. And that is what the coming of morning and dayspring is likened to - turning the featureless night into sharp relief, when the wicked are exposed and their power is broken.

Taking one verse and using it out of context ensures making errors of interpretation.

 

[Strong in Him]

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So a plane could not be viewed on the ground from a person in an airplane in the sky.

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???
What are you talking about?

 

[Hentenza]

@Strong in Him

In conclusion, the Bible presents a clear and definitive depiction of the earth's shape as a flat, stationary, and bounded surface.

It does not. Are you calling God a liar?

 

[Strong in Him]

You don't want to see the way in which this verse reads, as you may have to admit that the bible does actually teach F/E.

Rubbish.

It is you who is reading the verse wrongly - and you're only quoting half of it anyway? What about the other half, about the earth standing out like a garment?
Oh, but of course you can't try to persuade us that a garment is round - best leave that bit out then, as it ruins your "case".

 

[Apple Sky]

It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment. Job 38:14

It couldn't be more clearer.

 

[Phil G]

The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment. Job 38:14

It couldn't be more clearer.

You're not reading the surrounding verses to get the context of what God is saying to Job. It's about the morning.

12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

There is the context to the next verses.

14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

The coming of morning on the earth is like how a seal changes the clay. That is the clear context.

 

[Apple Sky]

Oh, but of course you can't try to persuade us that a garment is round

I'm not trying to persuade you that the garments are round Just the seal, the garments are the features which stand out on the seal which represents the earth.

 

[Apple Sky]

Are you calling God a liar?

Never!

 

[Phil G]

I'm not trying to persuade you that the garments are round Just the seal, the garments are the features which stand out on the seal which represents the earth.

There is no indication the seal is disc shaped. Many seals of the day were cylindrical. Such as these:

Cylinder seal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The context is about the morning, and any seal on clay suffices to illustrate such a context. The Lord does not say anything about a disc shaped seal.

 

[Strong in Him]

I'm not trying to persuade you that the garments are round

I know you're not - you're only quoting the bit of the verse which suits you and fits with your belief.

What I was asking was, WHY aren't you quoting the rest of the verse?
I guess the answer is because it doesn't fit with your beliefs.

 

[Apple Sky]

14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

No it specifically says;

The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment. Job 38:14

 

[Phil G]

No it specifically says;

The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment. Job 38:14

No, the coming of morning changes the earth from being featureless in the night to clear features in the morning so that the wicked are exposed. Stop focusing on just one verse and read the surrounding verses. That verse was not written in isolation as you are trying to make it seem. Job 38:12-15 KJV


12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

 

[Apple Sky]

What I was asking was, WHY aren't you quoting the rest of the verse?
I guess the answer is because it doesn't fit with your beliefs.

I guess not;

 

[Phil G]

I guess not;

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Nothing in the text indicates it to be a signet seal. It could just as easily be a cylinder seal, either fits with the context of the text - morning changing the features of the earth so that the wicked are exposed.

Here's Mathew Henry's commentary on these verses.

This is made a terror to evil-doers. Nothing is more comfortable to mankind than the light of the morning; it is pleasant to the eyes, it is serviceable to life and the business of it, and the favour of it is universally extended, for it takes hold of the ends of the earth (v. 13), and we should dwell, in our hymns to the light, on its advantages to the earth. But God here observes how unwelcome it is to those that do evil, and therefore hate the light. God makes the light a minister of his justice as well as of his mercy. It is designed to shake the wicked out of the earth, and for that purpose it takes hold of the ends of it, as we take hold of the ends of a garment to shake the dust and moths out of it. Job had observed what a terror the morning light is to criminals, because it discovers them (ch. 24:13, etc.), and God here seconds the observation, and asks him whether the world was indebted to him for that kindness? No, the great Judge of the world sends forth the beams of the morning light as his messengers to detect criminals, that they may not only be defeated in their purposes and put to shame, but that they may be brought to condign punishment (v. 15), that their light may be withholden from them (that is, that they may lose their comfort, their confidence, their liberties, their lives) and that their high arm, which they have lifted up against God and man, may be broken, and they deprived of their power to do mischief. Whether what is here said of the morning light was designed to represent, as in a figure, the light of the gospel of Christ, and to give a type of it, I will not say; but I am sure it may serve to put us in mind of the encomiums given to the gospel just at the rising of its morning-star by Zecharias in his Benedictus (Lu. 1:78, By the tender mercy of our God the day-spring from on high has visited us, to give light to those that sit in darkness, whose hearts are turned to it as clay to the seal, 2 Co. 4:6), and by the virgin Mary in her Magnificat (Lu. 1:51), showing that God, in his gospel, has shown strength with his arm, scattered the proud, and put down the mighty, by that light by which he designed to shake the wicked, to shake wickedness itself out of the earth, and break its high arm.

Commentary on Job 38 by Matthew Henry

Matthew Henry :: Commentary on Job 38

www.blueletterbible.org

 

[Apple Sky]

No, the coming of morning changes the earth from being featureless in the night to clear features in the morning so that the wicked are exposed. Stop focusing on just one verse and read the surrounding verses. That verse was not written in isolation as you are trying to make it seem. Job 38:12-15 KJV


12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

You can post this until your blue in the face, I know what I've read.

 

[Phil G]

You can post this until your blue in the face, I know what I've read.

But you're not reading the surrounding verses. You keep posting the same verse out of its context. Job 38:12-15 KJV

12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken. (Emphases mine)

 

[Strong in Him]

But you're not reading the surrounding verses. You keep posting the same verse out of its context. Job 38:12-15 KJV

Yes, it's a shame that the context spoils her interpretation of the verse.

 

[Phil G]

Yes, it's a shame that the context spoils her interpretation of the verse.

This is why Bible study is so important. It's not merely reading a verse in isolation and then quoting it alone so that its context is removed. Study, study, study.