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[David Lamb]

I wasn't looking up for the word 'sky' I was looking for the word 'firmament'.

But you post came about because you kept quoting Job 37:18 to prove that the firmament is a solid dome. For example, you wrote:

"What is a Molton looking glass - it's a mirror made out of beaten down metal.

Job 37:18
This verse gives solidarity to a solid firmament (excuse the pun)."

I say again, the word "firmament" does not occur in Job 37:18.

 

[Apple Sky]

I say again, the word "firmament" does not occur in Job 37:18.

I know this, but the sky cannot be made to resemble a molten looking glass can it ?

 

[David Lamb]

I know this, but the sky cannot be made to resemble a molten looking glass can it ?

Well God's word in the book of Job says that it does resemble a mirror or looking glass. You still have not explained why you keep trying to say that Job 37:18 shows that the firmament is solid, when the verse does not even mention the firmament.

 

[Apple Sky]

Well God's word in the book of Job says that it does resemble a mirror or looking glass

Does the sky look like a strong metal mirror to you ?

 

[David Lamb]

Does the sky look like a strong metal mirror to you ?

Job 37 says:

18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

Adam Clarke in his commentary says that the sky is "in a clear day or brilliant night, being like a mass of polished metal, reflecting or transmitting innumerable images."

I still have no idea why you keep using that verse to prove your belief that the firmament is solid.

 

[Apple Sky]

Job 37 says:

18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

This depends what Bible you read from, some say molten glass & others say cast metal mirror.

Adam Clarke in his commentary says that the sky is "in a clear day or brilliant night, being like a mass of polished metal, reflecting or transmitting innumerable images."

Who's Adam Clarke ?

I still have no idea why you keep using that verse to prove your belief that the firmament is solid

It is a verse that many flat earthers use plus Genesis 1:7 to present the truth about the firmament especially Rob skiba & Dean Odle & I believe them.
Another verse they use is;
The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment. Job 38:14

 

[David Lamb]

This depends what Bible you read from, some say molten glass & others say cast metal mirror.

Yes, I agree, and the NKJV which I usually quote from says "cast metal mirror." But all the versions I've seen say "sky" or "skies", and not "firmament."

Who's Adam Clarke ?

The Bible Hub site includes:

"Adam Clarke was born in the county of Londonderry, North Ireland, in 1760 and was converted in 1779 through hearing a Methodist preacher. Three years later he left home to attend Wesley's school in Kingswood, Bristol, England. Five weeks later he was appointed to his first preaching circuit and for the next 50 years he was a self-taught Wesleyan preacher who, among other academic accomplishments, made himself master of at least 10 languages, ancient and modern.

He served on 24 Methodist circuits in England and Ireland, worked for 3 years in the Channel Islands, was three times president of the English Methodist Conference and four times president of the Irish Methodist Conference. He devoted hundreds of working hours to the newly founded British and Foreign Bible Society and 10 years of painstaking editing and collating of state papers. This latter work was a colossal undertaking. It required the most exact examination, deciphering, and classification of British State Papers from 1131 to 1666. The research was carried on in 14 different locations, including the Tower of London, London's Westminster Archives, and Cambridge University Library. In 1808 the University of Aberdeen conferred on Adam Clarke the honorary degree of LL.D., the university's highest academic honor.

As well as his Commentary, Clarke's publications ran to 22 volumes, including his Memorials of the Wesley Family, Reflections on the Being and Attributes of God, The Manners of the Ancient Israelites, 4 volumes of sermons, 3 volumes of miscellanea titled Detached Pieces, a volume on Christian Missions, A Concise View of the Succession of Sacred Literature, and A Bibliographical Dictionary. Clarke's literary output was phenomenal when it is recalled that he was a full-time itinerant preacher."

It is a verse that many flat earthers use plus Genesis 1:7 to present the truth about the firmament especially Rob skiba & Dean Odle & I believe them.
Another verse they use is;
The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment. Job 38:14

I don't know why they use that verse, seeing that it does not include the word "firmament" (and the Hebrew does not include the word "raqia" either.

 

[Apple Sky]

I don't know why they use tat verse, seeing that it does not include the word "firmament" (and the Hebrew does not include the word "raqia" either.

The verse Job 38:14, is meant to give us the shape of the earth. Are you going to debate this also ?

 

[Strong in Him]

It is when you tell me I don't know what I am talking about.

I said that you don't know what you are talking about because we have been asking for a verse/passage from the Bible to show that the firmament is solid.
The only one you ever quote is from Job which says that the sky is as molten glass.

When I asked you if the firmament and the sky are the same or different, you replied "different."

Either you should be saying, "oh, sorry; the firmament and the sky are the same thing so that verse from Job is valid", or "well no, I can't show you a verse which says that the firmament is solid."

You can't/won't do either but go on about sodium whatsit, mirrored domes and " 'reflection - sorry I meant 'refraction'," . So my conclusions are, either you are changing the subject to try to save face - we all know that there is no Bible verse which says the firmament is solid. Or, you really have no idea what you are talking about.

And all the Blue Letter Bibles in the world are not going to change that.

 

[Apple Sky]

Either you should be saying, "oh, sorry; the firmament and the sky are the same thing so that verse from Job is valid", or "well no, I can't show you a verse which says that the firmament is solid."

Who are you to tell me what I should or shouldn't be saying ?

When I asked you if the firmament and the sky are the same or different, you replied "different."

Which they are.

we all know that there is no Bible verse which says the firmament is solid.

Yes there are but you refuse to recognize them for what they mean, so yes 'The Blue Letter Bible' could help you with this or the strong's Concordance.

 

[Strong in Him]

Which they are.

So STOP quoting the verse from Job which has the word "sky" when we are asking for proof of the solid firmament.

 

[Apple Sky]

So STOP quoting the verse from Job which has the word "sky"

 

[Apple Sky]

Polaris, like all stars, should be a blur at best, considering the insanely outrageous speeds of the supposedly planet Earth.

 

[Strong in Him]

Polaris, like all stars, should be a blur at best, considering the insanely outrageous speeds of the supposedly planet Earth.

You can't prove what you insist is true, so you change the subject.

 

[Apple Sky]

You can't prove what you insist is true, so you change the subject.

No I haven't, I reckon we've exhausted the subject of molten glass which I'm never going to agree on, unless you want to carry on debating it, I don't mind.

 

[Strong in Him]

No I haven't, I reckon we've exhausted the subject of molten glass which I'm never going to agree on, unless you want to carry on debating it, I don't mind.

I wasn't beating molten glass, you were.
I was asking for Scriptural proof that the firmament is solid.

I understand the phrase, "that teaching is not in Scripture" is too hard for you to say.
It doesn't matter - we all know it's not there and also that you can't prove your point.

 

[Apple Sky]

I wasn't beating molten glass, you were.
I was asking for Scriptural proof that the firmament is solid.

I understand the phrase, "that teaching is not in Scripture" is too hard for you to say.
It doesn't matter - we all know it's not there and also that you can't prove your point.

For me, the proof of a solid firmament still lies within the verses Job 37:18 & Genesis 1:7.

 

[Strong in Him]

For me, the proof of a solid firmament still lies within the verses Job 37:18 & Genesis 1:7.

Yeah, but not for anyone else - because we can all see that those verses don't say that.

And why you think a verse about the sky is proof of the firmament, when you know they are different things, is beyond me.
So much for logic.

 

[prodromos]

Job 37:18 — King James Version (KJV 1900)​

18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky,
Which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

Ah, I apologise. I had been working 15 hours straight yesterday. Extreme brain fart.

 

[prodromos]

It is when you tell me I don't know what I am talking about.

Except it doesn't help your case at all.