law discussions belong in the law/sabbath area, or controvertial.

[Abraham1st]

Christianity is not supposed to thrive/be busy by dispute, is that not partly why there are different areas for different discussions, but how can teaching of law, commandments, sabbath, belong in a general area, and not where people who seek that, go to, exactly as the attempt to curcumcise and keep the law were rejected. If these subjects are not put away, it shows a different judgement to Gods seen below again..


Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:


Acts 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.


Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes, there was never a law that one could be saved just by circumcision in the law of Moses, eliminating the need for Jesus. It was never the point of circumcision. As addressed in Acts 15 and several places in Scripture.

I find it odd Acts 15:21 was left out of the OP. How the gentiles would learn the rest of God's word. Acts 13:42, 44, Acts18:4

 

[Abraham1st]

No, there is no law discussion any more, or justification of it, or answers for it to continue, that is another demonstration of how it has been allowed, by people who think they can answer on anything they want.

What brings dispute has to be excluded, hence why there are different areas, such as for law, sabbath and controversy, it cant be any plainer to the MODERAATORS.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

We can discuss laws in this forum.

But when we have to start limiting certain parts of the Bible, that is holy to God, shows the sad world we live in. Just shows the real spiritual war we are in Isa8:20

 

[Abraham1st]

If his website owner, its users, the moderators, dont care about what goes on, giving questiions and strife rather than godly edifying, that is fine, it has been for many years, but it wont be forever.



Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

 

[Abraham1st]

That is all, it has been testified to us to avoid discussion on law, or they are heretic...


Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

 

[HIM]

Acts 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

What is faith?

 

[Abraham1st]

What is faith?

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

is thread is not a further discussion on law, it is a testimony to simply move those threads to where there are other areas, such as law, sabbath and controversy, if it is not heard, that's the end of the matter, I hope all can at least understand that, this time.

 

[HIM]

7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

Do we sin? If yes, then the Law is for you because you are a sinner.

1Tim 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,


And if so we are to be rejected after the first or second admonition if we don't repent because we sinneth

That is all, it has been testified to us to avoid discussion on law, or they are heretic...


Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

 

[HIM]

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

is thread is not a further discussion on law, it is a testimony to simply move those threads to where there are other areas, such as law, sabbath and controversy, if it is not heard, that's the end of the matter, I hope all can at least understand that, this time.

So you don't know what is faith or you think it is a foolish question.

You probably should not post as if you are a teacher if you are not willing to teach,

 

[Abraham1st]

yes glad you understood, that the thread is for the ending of the law discussions, not for their continuation. Thanks for your understanding in this matter.

 

[HIM]

No, there is no law discussion any more, or justification of it, or answers for it to continue, that is another demonstration of how it has been allowed, by people who think they can answer on anything they want.

What brings dispute has to be excluded, hence why there are different areas, such as for law, sabbath and controversy, it cant be any plainer to the MODERAATORS.

As long a sin is in the world so is the Law. For by the law is the knowledge of sin. And the Law is for sinners, not the righteous.

 

[HIM]

yes glad you understood, that the thread is for the ending of the law discussions, not for their continuation. Thanks for your understanding in this matter.

You do not know what you are talking about. But you are not alone. Many teach, but the many have never been taught.

As long a sin is in the world so is the Law. For by the law is the knowledge of sin. And the Law is for sinners, not the righteous. That is a thus Saith the Lord. As is the word, the Law is in our hearts through Christ, that is the faith in which we preach. That is the faith the just, the righteous live by and establishes the Law.

 

[Abraham1st]

is that an answer already that the ones who carry on law discussions are not worried their discussions will end, like they know they wont, even if they cause controversy and dispute, well that is a complete answer why it has always been on forums isnt it

 

[HIM]

is that an answer already that the ones who carry on law discussions are not worried their discussions will end, like they know they wont, even if they cause controversy and dispute, well that is a complete answer why it has always been on forums isnt it

As long a sin is in the world so is the Law. For by the law is the knowledge of sin. And the Law is for sinners, not the righteous. That is a thus Saith the Lord. As is the word, the Law is in our hearts through Christ, that is the faith in which we preach. That is the faith the just, the righteous live by and establishes the Law.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Clearly there are doctrinal differences that can't be resolved. Its time to give this a rest.
Be blessed.

 

[RandyPNW]

As long a sin is in the world so is the Law. For by the law is the knowledge of sin. And the Law is for sinners, not the righteous.

You are contending over the Law, as the original poster indicated. I'm not going to tell moderators where to put posts or how to run their website, but I will agree with the original poster that teaching the Law and with it Sabbath Law is not Scriptural.

Yes, we are told that sin is the breaking of God's Law. But God's Law is a general law, quite distinct from the Law of Moses. If you are speaking of the Law of Moses, sin is no longer defined as breaking that particular set of laws because *that Covenant is no longer in effect.* If you think it is, you are no longer under the New Covenant!

But the Law ofGod, in the general sense, is God's holiness for Man that has existed from our creation, being created in the image and likeness of God. We are morally obligated to live like God. That is God's Law, quite distinct from the Law of Moses, which came much later after our creation.

And so, you mix up the Law of God and the Law of Moses. When the Law of Moses was in effect it contained the general Law of God--laws that remain in effect after the Old Covenant passed away. Moral laws have not gone away with the termination of the Covenant of Law.

So yes, sin is defined as opposing God's Law. But that Law does not remain defined technically as the Law of Moses, since that Law is no longer in effect.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You are contending over the Law, as the original poster indicated. I'm not going to tell moderators where to put posts or how to run their website, but I will agree with the original poster that teaching the Law and with it Sabbath Law is not Scriptural.

Yes, we are told that sin is the breaking of God's Law. But God's Law is a general law, quite distinct from the Law of Moses. If you are speaking of the Law of Moses, sin is no longer defined as breaking that particular set of laws because *that Covenant is no longer in effect.* If you think it is, you are no longer under the New Covenant!

But the Law ofGod, in the general sense, is God's holiness for Man that has existed from our creation, being created in the image and likeness of God. We are morally obligated to live like God. That is God's Law, quite distinct from the Law of Moses, which came much later after our creation.

And so, you mix up the Law of God and the Law of Moses. When the Law of Moses was in effect it contained the general Law of God--laws that remain in effect after the Old Covenant passed away. Moral laws have not gone away with the termination of the Covenant of Law.

So yes, sin is defined as opposing God's Law. But that Law does not remain defined technically as the Law of Moses, since that Law is no longer in effect.

Maybe this will help and one can hear the Words of our God- His written and spoken Testimony


I find it perplexing that so many people relate the Ten Commandments as the law of Moses when the Law itself has nothing to do with Moses, but has everything to do with our relationship with God. God’s name (not Moses) is in each one of these commandments and He takes ownership of them not just in the words itself, but He did not leave His holy and eternal Law to be written by man, God divinely wrote them Himself, not just once but twice. He wrote them in stone for its eternal nature and then He writes His laws in our heart 2Cor3:3 Heb 8:10 The first 4 commandments show how to love God and the last 6 how we love our neighbor. Rom 13:9 They cover so much more than people realize Psa 119:96 just as Jesus taught from this same unit Mat 5:19-30

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

I personally do not see how Scripture could be clearer about whose Law is the Ten Commandments and Moses the creation and servant of God, is not God the Creator of everything Exo 20:11. Moses own testimony said the Ten Commandments is God’s work not his, so why do so many insist it’s the law of Moses so we no longer need to keep them when there is not one Scripture in context that says this.

Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deu 29:1 These are the words of the covenant which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, besides the covenant which He made with them in Horeb.


The Ten Commandments is what sits under God’s mercy seat Exo 25:21. What He wrote and what He spoke, the words of the covenant Exo 34:28 that He promised not to alter Psa 89:34 as it is revealed in heaven Heb 8:1-5 Rev 15:5 Rev 11:18-19. This is God’s authority that no one can change a jot or tittle, as it is what all man will be Judged by James 2:11 Rev 22:15. We have a righteous and loving God, He would not judge us without telling us how He will judge us and He did so in the most awesome way.

It seems many people have followed the traditions of the churches over the commandments of God. Jesus addressed this who is God made flesh and wrote the Ten Commandments…

Mar 7:7 AND IN VAIN THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.'

Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God (meaning not for me) , you hold the tradition of men

 

[BobRyan]

No, there is no law discussion any more, or justification of it, or answers for it to continue

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the commandments of God"
1 John 5:3 "this IS the Love of God that we keep His Commandments"
John 14:15 "if you Love Me keep My Commandments"
Eph 6:1-2 "Honor your father and mother is the first commandment with a promise"
Rom 3:31 "do we make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God"

, that is another demonstration of how it has been allowed, by people who think they can answer on anything they want

Interesting summation

 

[HIM]

Clearly there are doctrinal differences that can't be resolved. Its time to give this a rest.
Be blessed.

Let's give sin a rest? amen! Until then the law is for the sinner. If one sins the law is for them. For by the Law is the knowledge of sin.