Israel and the New Covenant.

[Abraham1st]

And where does the He said Law come from. I'll give you a hint its in God's Testimony Exo 20:1-17

11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

it is from the law that was abolished, it was a curse, it was nailed to the cross of Christ, now it is in the heart, through CONSCIENCE..


Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

[Abraham1st]

There is no "was" in Scripture.
1 John3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Belief is related to our obedience Heb3:7-19 why Jesus says why do you call me Lord Lord and not DO what I say. Luke6:46 Not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter into the Kingdom of heaven Mat7:21-23.

Guess all will get sorted out in God's time.

if we commit sin it is through not believing in Christ, it is sorted out now..


John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

 

[childeye 2]

Love does not delete the commandment to not worship other gods.

God is LOVE, as in brotherly Love and compassion. Once God reveals Himself as THEE GOD --> THEE WAY--> monotheism --> we can see that there are no other gods. So, just as Jesus said the Truth will set you free, we have been set free from worshipping false gods.

Love does not delete the commandment to not bow to false idols.

LOVE sees that those who would bow to false gods are blind and are in darkness. Surely you know God sees that.

2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Love does not delete the commandment not vain His holy name. Love does not mean we can profane God and break His holy Sabbath day.

Love to God is keeping His commandments

1 John5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Sadly, what people have been taught that we can define love instead of God is leading people down the wrong path of sin, unbelief and rebellion Heb3:7-19

The Holy Spirit convicts me of sin. <--This is my Love towards God within me through which I am thankful I am enabled to keep His commandments, and they are no burden. The Holy Spirit uses Love God with all your heart mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself within my reasoning to convict/convince me of sin. HE is Who sanctifies me.

2 Corinthians 4:7
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

 

[Delvianna]

the law is gone but faith appeared, it means we would kill i the law as those in Israel are doing right now and the world is witness, but if we are in Christ, which they are not, we kill nobody

So how do you know what we should / shouldn't do? There HAS to be rules in place, otherwise chaos would ensue and just claiming you have trust in God (which is what the definition of faith is), doesn't in itself tell you anything else. There has to be something to write on our hearts and if its not God's moral law, which he spelled out in exodus, then what is it?

You don't flesh out your thoughts, you just rapid fire them with no verses attached and make multiple replies and honestly, its getting a little frustrating to keep track. Take a step back and please just make a post spelling out your stance with bible verses.

 

[Abraham1st]

So the covenant is through faith, Israel has none, they kill, but Jesus saves life and we believe in Him, why would we believe in the example of those in the law who cant stop killing, as this..

1 Thessalonians 2:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Pro 14:12 There is a way that seems right to a man,
But its end is the way of death.

We can literally make the bible say anything by plucking a verse here and there. Sadly, God had the foresight people would do this on Paul's writings 2Peter3:16

I would show the context to these verses if I thought it would make a difference, but God's laws in our hearts does not mean what we feel is right or wrong. Its basically depending on our righteousness (right doing) instead of God's PSa119:172

Can't reason with this mindset so I am moving on.

Hoping we can get back to the OP.

 

[Abraham1st]

So how do you know what we should / shouldn't do? There HAS to be rules in place, otherwise chaos would ensue and just claiming you have trust in God (which is what the definition of faith is), doesn't in itself tell you anything else. There has to be something to write on our hearts and if its not God's moral law, which he spelled out in exodus, then what is it?

You don't flesh out your thoughts, you just rapid fire them with no verses attached and make multiple replies and honestly, its getting a little frustrating to keep track. Take a step back and please just make a post spelling out your stance with bible verses.

Jesus Christ is the teacher for all, it is the Spirit.



John 14:2 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Ephesians 4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

Galatians 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God is LOVE, as in brotherly Love and compassion. Once God reveals Himself as THEE GOD --> THEE WAY--> monotheism --> we can see that there are no other gods. So, just as Jesus said the Truth will set you free, we have been set free from worshipping false gods.


LOVE sees that those who would bow to false gods are blind and are in darkness. Surely you know God sees that.

2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirit convicts me of sin. <--This is my Love towards God within me through which I am thankful I am enabled to keep His commandments, and they are no burden. The Holy Spirit uses Love God with all your heart mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself within my reasoning to convict/convince me of sin. HE is Who sanctifies me.

2 Corinthians 4:7
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Showing me from Scripture what does it mean to love God with all our heart, mind and soul and love our neighbor. What was Jesus quoting from? Can we love God with all our heart, mind and soul but worship other gods? Can we love our neighbor and steal from them?

If the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin, what is sin according to Scripture.

 

[Abraham1st]

so now i need no man to teach, nor the law which was our school master, anyone see the link..

 

[Abraham1st]

And showing me from Scripture what does it mean to love God with all our heart, mind and soul and love our neighbor. What was Jesus quoting from? If the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin, what is sin according to Scripture.

Jesus quoted from what the Jews had and have now, but something is on their heart..


2 Corinthians 2:13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is ABOLISHED:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

 

[childeye 2]

You're conflating Jewish Law with Moral Law, just like Childeye. Moral law is what we write on our hearts, not the Jewish law. Lawlessness is literally sin IE: Breaking God's moral law.

"Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness." 1 John 3:4

What is the difference between moral law and Jewish law? Just so you know. I define morality as "caring" how my actions affect others and immorality as NOT caring how my actions affect others. <-- Without God/LOVE I would NOT even care that I sin.

2 Corinthians 4:7
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

 

[Delvianna]

Can't reason with this mindset so I am moving on.

Hoping we can get back to the OP.

I can't even have a coherent conversation with all the disjointed points being rapidly sent...

Jesus Christ is the teacher for all, it is the Spirit.

This isn't answering my question and you're still just doing the same thing....

I can't continue to talk to you like this, sorry but unless you make a thought out reply, I'm just not going to reply to you anymore.

 

[Abraham1st]

I can't even have a coherent conversation with all the disjointed points being rapidly sent...


This isn't answering my question and you're still just doing the same thing....

I can't continue to talk to you like this, sorry but unless you make a thought out reply, I'm just not going to reply to you anymore.

the rules are by the Spirit, and the rules used to be without the Spirit, it cant be much clearer, it used to be from men, and from tables of stone, now it is not.


2 Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

 

[Delvianna]

What is the difference between moral law and Jewish law? Just so you know. I define morality as "caring" how my actions affect others and immorality as NOT caring how my actions affect others. <-- Without God/LOVE I would NOT even care that I sin.

2 Corinthians 4:7
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

So in essence, you define your own morality. If I don't care about someones life, I can end it and I'm morally sound to do so but your own logic. Feelings aren't the defining factor of moral law.

Proverbs 14:12:
"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death"

Jeremiah 17:9:
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; Who can know it?"

Proverbs 3:5-6:
Trust in the Lord with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight.

 

[Abraham1st]

If you guys want to promote law, go to the Jews in Israel, they already do law and kill in God's name.

 

[childeye 2]

OK, if we do any law, it is to love, because as the love of God is shed into our hearts by the Spirit given to us, we know by heart how to not work ill against others, and do not need to be told again any more.

Well, my testimony is that the Holy Spirit living within me convicts/convinces me of sin. For example, if I get angry at how someone is driving, he will speak and advise patience with others. So, in that scenario, I'd be lying if I said did not need to be told.

 

[Abraham1st]

So in essence, you define your own morality. If I don't care about someones life, I can end it and I'm morally sound to do so but your own logic. Feelings aren't the defining factor of moral law.

Proverbs 14:12:
"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death"

Jeremiah 17:9:
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; Who can know it?"

Proverbs 3:5-6:
Trust in the Lord with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight.

The heart has to have the Spirit given..


Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

2 Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Thats right. God took His laws from tables of stone to tablets of the heart, the New Covenant Heb8:10. The placement changed, not the words God keeping His promises Psa89:34 Mat5:18 based on what He will do Heb8:10 through our faith and love John14:15-18 John15:10 Rev 14:12 which reconciles us Rev22:14

Why its sin to break the least of these commandments in the NC and one would be in fear of sin and judgement Mat5:19-30 1John3:4 James 2:11 Rom7:7 Rev11:18-19 Mat7:23 Rev22:14-15 1John2:4

 

[Delvianna]

If you guys want to promote law, go to the Jews in Israel, they already do law and kill in God's name.

I've stated quite a few times now, MORAL law and not the Jewish religious law. Saying anything other than that is bearing a false testimony.

 

[Abraham1st]

Well, my testimony is that the Holy Spirit living within me convicts/convinces me of sin. For example, if I get angry at how someone is driving for example, he will speak and advise patience with others. So, in that scenario, I'd be lying if I said did not need to be told.

That love of God shed in our heart by the Spirit, is God living in us and we being HIs temple, we dont need to be told how to love others, we have believed, but we can be further guided by chastening and afflictions and by hope.