When you think abortion is okay…

[Zaha Torte]

Americans.

What kind?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Those who advocate for abortion do not value human life and tend to justify violence and murder as long as it happens to those whose existence they deem inconvenient.

This is a meritless statement

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

What kind?

The sort with easy access to firearms in a nation that believes easy access to firearms is more important than human lives.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Larniavc]

What kind?

White males.

 

[Larniavc]

strike one.
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• Larniavc
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• Today at 2:17 AM
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What happens at strike two?

 

[NxNW]

The people who have abortions, perform abortions, make pills to cause abortions, etc., do not value human life.

Or they have a different understanding of what human life is.

 

[NxNW]

If the "choice" in "pro-choice" is whether to murder a child in the womb or not - then they are supporting or advocating for the murder of a child in a womb.

Some would argue that an embryo is not a child.

If I was "pro-choice" in regard to the State being able to execute certain criminals according to the severity of their crimes - then I would be supporting or advocating for capital punishment.

Obviously, you believe some lives don't matter.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Or they have a different understanding of what human life is.

Yes, as unfortunate of a coincidence as that different understanding just happens to be.

 

[NxNW]

Roe v Wade was socially manageable but leftists promoted outright murder with partial birth abortions

There is no such thing.

 

[Lukaris]

There is no such thing.

In the 1990s, 31 states had bans on partial birth abortion while Roe v Wade stood. This was not enough of a balance so leftists ( my view of facts all the same) used the courts to nullify state legislation. Roe v Wade has been overturned and we have a hodgepodge on the national level. Just cause you say so is meaningless.

From the the non partisan American Governance Institute in a 2008 ( pre Dobbs) report:

Since 1995, at least thirty-one states have enacted laws banning the so-called "partial-birth" abortion procedure. Although many of these laws have not taken effect because of permanent injunctions, they remain contentious to both pro-life advocates and those who support a woman's right to choose.1 The concern over partial-birth abortion has been shared by Congress. Congress passed bans on the partial-birth abortion procedure in both the 104th and 105th Congresses.2Unable to overcome presidential vetoes during both congressional terms, the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act was reintroduced in each successive Congress until its enactment in 2003. S. 3, the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003, was passed by Congress in October 2003. The measure was signed by the President on November 5, 2003.

The U.S. Supreme Court has also addressed the performance of partial-birth abortions. In Stenberg v. Carhart, a 2000 case, the Court invalidated a Nebraska statute that prohibited the performance of such abortions. Prior to this decision, the U.S. Courts of Appeals remained divided on the legitimacy of state statutes banning partial-birth abortions.3 In Gonzales v. Carhart, a 2007 case, the Court upheld the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003, finding that, as a facial matter, it is not unconstitutionally vague and does not impose an undue burden on a woman's right to terminate her pregnancy.4 This report discusses the Court's decisions and the partial-birth abortion measures in the 106th, 107th, and 108th Congresses.

Partial-Birth Abortion: Recent Developments in the Law

The term “partial-birth abortion” refers generally to an abortion procedure where the fetus is removed intact from a woman’s body. The...

www.everycrsreport.com

 

[NxNW]

In the 1990s, 31 states had bans on partial birth abortion while Roe v Wade stood.

If you can find a medical book using that term, I'd be interested to see it. As far as I can tell, it's just a made-up term to get people emotional.

Since 1995, at least thirty-one states have enacted laws banning the so-called "partial-birth" abortion procedure.

You'll note that it says "so-called".

 

[Lukaris]

If you can find a medical book using that term, I'd be interested to see it. As far as I can tell, it's just a made-up term to get people emotional.

You'll note that it says "so-called".

If you can find a medical book using that term, I'd be interested to see it. As far as I can tell, it's just a made-up term to get people emotional.

You'll note that it says "so-called".

The organization I am citing may be biased towards your perspective but at least their data acknowledges that many people have very serious different views. These are views on life itself and Christianity is pro life. There may be harsh social conditions that require coping with realities in a fallen world ( accepting Roe v Wade in secular law & practical empathy) but spiritually it is a sin.

 

[RileyG]

When they devalue one life, they devalue all lives.

Amen

 

[RileyG]

Abortion did exist & must have been understood implicitly in the Lord’s commandments ( Exodus 20:13). The early church understood the commandment as such in the earliest surviving ( about 90 AD) manual:


And the second commandment of the Teaching; You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, Exodus 20:13-14 you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, Exodus 20:15 you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is begotten

CHURCH FATHERS: The Didache

Featuring the Church Fathers, Catholic Encyclopedia, Summa Theologica and more.

www.newadvent.org

Yup. It's been forbidden by Christianity since the beginning.

 

[RileyG]

The sort with easy access to firearms in a nation that believes easy access to firearms is more important than human lives.

-CryptoLutheran

People can care about gun control, protecting the unborn, caring for the less fortunate. It's not so black and white.

 

[RileyG]

There is no such thing.

Nope. It very much happened. Look up Kermit Gosnell.

 

[NxNW]

Nope. It very much happened. Look up Kermit Gosnell.

That's not at all what he did. He killed babies who had been born.

 

[RileyG]

That's not at all what he did. He killed babies who had been born.

I’m aware.

 

[NxNW]

I’m aware.

And so the Gosnell case had nothing to do with so-called partial birth abortion.

 

[RileyG]

And so the Gosnell case had nothing to do with so-called partial birth abortion.

Uh, yes it did. I’m well informed on that particular case.