Judge's 'promise' let career criminal walk free to butcher Ukrainian refugee after his MOM said he should be locked up

[RocksInMyHead]

He had already been released for other crimes.

And? I see nothing in his criminal history to suggest that he would be likely to randomly stab someone.

He should have been in a mental institution.

Perhaps, but the bar for involuntary commitment is (understandably) pretty high. There's a process that must be followed. While there is an option for emergency commitment, that requires extraordinary circumstances, which Brown did not meet.

 

[bèlla]

of course crime happens all the time, but it's not a normal thing for a white guy to brutally attack some random black guy who just happens to be nearby.

Who said it isn’t normal? Are you privy to every crime that happens on a daily basis? Do you work in law enforcement or related fields that data or relying on the internet?

however, the inverse is very common. it is routine to see a black guy or 'teen' knocking out some random white person who just happens to be in the vicinity. it's actual racial hatred expressed violently out in the open and has been going on a long time.

Are you suggesting whites are being victimized by blacks en masse? Doesn’t that juxtapose white privilege? Do you need to be protected?

it's not a "race card" - it's reality. im not the one hiding from it.

People see what they want and it goes both ways.

~bella

 

[lifepsyop]

When your lens is political you’re already skewed. You threats everywhere. Irrespective of the side. But to each his own

~bella

one's lens can also be skewed by the boomer era politics of "anti-racism" - an almost religious commitment to *not* noticing obvious aspects of reality if it might result in you being labeled "racist"

 

[Tinker Grey]

Why is no one covering this! It happened only 5 days ago! https://www.centralillinoisproud.com/news/local-news/peoria-man-charged-wife-murder/

 

[lifepsyop]

Who said it isn’t normal? Are you privy to every crime that happens on a daily basis? Do you work in law enforcement or related fields that data or relying on the internet?

i'm saying i can look up hundreds of videos right now of black people targeting random white passerbys but it is rare to find the inverse.

is the data conspiring to portray black people negatively, you think?

Are you suggesting whites are being victimized by blacks en masse? Doesn’t that juxtapose white privilege? Do you need to be protected?

I'm a large somewhat fit man. I'm not worried so much about myself, thinking more about women and children - ya know, like the woman that was stabbed to death in this case.
not to mention the elderly.

you know, our more vulnerable neighbors that we are supposed to be protecting - instead of sacrificing on the altar of "please don't call me racist" politics

People see what they want and it goes both ways.

~bella

they also *don't* see what they've been indoctrinated to believe is "racist"

 

[iluvatar5150]

The article mentions armed robbery and assaulting his sister. The liberal court system failed society, failed his victim, he should have been locked up, whether in prison or in a mental facility was for the courts to determine.

According to the article, the assault happened 4 years ago and the robbery 11 years ago. How long should "the liberal court system" have imprisoned him for these offenses?

 

[bèlla]

one's lens can also be skewed by the boomer era politics of "anti-racism" - an almost religious commitment to *not* noticing obvious aspects of reality if it might result in you being labeled "racist"

Why bother being a christian if that’s your benchmark? Everything you‘ve said prioritizes another perspective beyond the one that matters most for believers. You’ve put everyone in groups. Black, white, left, right, boomers, etc. What a horrible way to think.

~bella

 

[RocksInMyHead]

i'm saying i can look up hundreds of videos right now of black people targeting random white passerbys but it is rare to find the inverse.

is the data conspiring to portray black people negatively, you think?

The data might not be (though "I can look up a bunch of videos" is anecdote, not data), but your social media algorithm might. Not intentionally, but if you click on a lot of videos of black people attacking white people, and videos of people talking about videos of black people attacking white people, guess what? You're going to get shown a lot of videos of black people attacking white people. I believe I've discussed this exact thing before - not sure if it was with you or someone else.

 

[bèlla]

i'm saying i can look up hundreds of videos right now of black people targeting random white passerbys but it is rare to find the inverse.

is the data conspiring to portray black people negatively, you think?

Do you hear yourself? Who spends their time that way? Is race your obsession?

I'm a large somewhat fit man. I'm not worried so much about myself, thinking more about women and children - ya know, like the woman that was stabbed to death in this case.
not to mention the elderly.

Do you have the same concerns for crimes committed by whites? Are you up in arms about Epstein and the things he perpetuated against that demographic? Or is the bulk of your concern on blacks alone?

you know, our more vulnerable neighbors that we are supposed to be protecting - instead of sacrificing on the altar of "please don't call me racist" politics

And how do you plan to do that? Enlighten us.

~bella

 

[bèlla]

The data might not be (though "I can look up a bunch of videos" is anecdote, not data), but your social media algorithm might. Not intentionally, but if you click on a lot of videos of black people attacking white people, and videos of people talking about videos of black people attacking white people, guess what? You're going to get shown a lot of videos of black people attacking white people. I believe I've discussed this exact thing before - not sure if it was with you or someone else.

Exactly. You’d have to be a special kind of strange to look up hundreds of videos on racial violence.

~bella

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Exactly. You’d have to be a special kind of strange to look up hundreds of videos on racial violence.

~bella

To be fair, the way that the social media rabbit hole works, you wouldn't necessarily have to be explicitly looking them up. Someone watching a lot of right-wing ragebait videos is going to run across a lot of that sort of content, and the more of it you watch, the more the algorithm feeds you. It's incredibly easy for stuff like that to completely take over your feed, and it can really mess with your perception of reality.

 

[lifepsyop]

Do you hear yourself? Who spends their time that way?

I don't spend my time that way, actually I tried to avoid it for most of my life as I was raised to believe you're not allowed to think that way.

Is race your obsession?

no, but it might be yours. you seem extremely offended about something.

Do you have the same concerns for crimes committed by whites?

not the same concern as being racially targeted for being white, no

And how do you plan to do that? Enlighten us.

speaking openly and honestly about the potential dangers white people face

that girl should never have had her guard down in that environment

but our shepherds and leaders have cared more about not being called racist than telling the truth

 

[bèlla]

no, but it might be yours. you seem extremely offended about something.

I talk about money and rarely address this subject. I prefer to focus on things that move the needle.

not the same concern as being racially targeted for being white, no

speaking openly and honestly about the potential dangers white people face

If circumstances are as you suggest. How is a discussion on a site that isn’t very busy going to change that? Why aren’t you speaking on a larger platform?

that girl should never have had her guard down in that environment

but our shepherds and leaders have cared more about not being called racist than telling the truth

If the area was unsafe why was she there at all? There’s precautions you take as woman as a norm. But you’d be surprised how many don’t and I see them all the time. They have a false sense of security that rarely ends well.

~bella

 

[MrMoe]

Black on white violence? Crime happens all the time. Why the distinction? You want to play the race card and that’s cool if that’s your side of the aisle. But don’t straddle the fence. Just be racist. Don’t hide behind politics or christianity.

~bella

Does this mean you think BLM is racist too, since they talk about white on black crime?


Is it okay to speculate that this incident was racially motivated like it was speculate in the Derek Chauvin incident?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

When your lens is political you’re already skewed. You see threats everywhere irrespective of the side. But to each his own

~bella

It is not "skewed", it is just reality

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

To be fair, the way that the social media rabbit hole works, you wouldn't necessarily have to be explicitly looking them up. Someone watching a lot of right-wing ragebait videos is going to run across a lot of that sort of content, and the more of it you watch, the more the algorithm feeds you. It's incredibly easy for stuff like that to completely take over your feed, and it can really mess with your perception of reality.

The same can be said, even more so for liberals. Try googling something...all you get is 99% liberal bent stories and info fed to you

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

And? I see nothing in his criminal history to suggest that he would be likely to randomly stab someone.

Perhaps, but the bar for involuntary commitment is (understandably) pretty high. There's a process that must be followed. While there is an option for emergency commitment, that requires extraordinary circumstances, which Brown did not meet.

You could say that about any criminal with no attempted murder crimes...that is not the point. He had severe mental issues and he could be violent. He was released without bail. Stokes allowed it under the condition of his “written promise". Court records show he had cycled through the criminal justice system for more than a decade, with 14 prior cases, including serving five years for robbery with a dangerous weapon. His mother told local television she sought an involuntary psychiatric commitment earlier this year after he became violent at home. Doctors diagnosed him with schizophrenia.

 

[lifepsyop]

I talk about money and rarely address this subject. I prefer to focus on things that move the needle.

then why are you here arguing about it? what's your concern?

If circumstances are as you suggest. How is a discussion on a site that isn’t very busy going to change that? Why aren’t you speaking on a larger platform?

I'm not aware of a larger online Christian forum... do you have a suggestion?

If the area was unsafe why was she there at all? There’s precautions you take as woman as a norm. But you’d be surprised how many don’t and I see them all the time. They have a false sense of security that rarely ends well.

~bella

because, collectively, we've covered up how real that danger is. our idolatrous 20th century obsession with "anti-racism" has censored just basic brute aspects of reality, and so many people like that woman do not fully understand the danger they are in - because where would she have heard it? up until very recently, nobody was allowed to talk about it.

and as far as precautions, she wasn't walking down some dark alley somewhere, she was riding on a well-lit major public transit line - the average outsider does not understand how dangerous public places are, even in broad daylight.

my concern over this is twofold

1. I have a very young daughter, and I still live in one of the few places in America (and the world itself) where this type of racial strife is not yet a problem, and I'd like to help keep it that way - honestly recognizing and speaking about the reality of this problem is part of that

2. as you can see in much of my posting history - I consider this "anti-racism" to essentially be a new kind of false religion that 20th century Christians have embraced (part of the "Postwar Consensus") ... where MLK is literally a new Saint/Savior figure that brought us out of the darkness, and being even slightly "racist" is considered the most horrible sin imaginable, and which has eclipsed all other traditional concepts of sin - (e.g. we casually allow mass production and distribution of pornography/sexual degeneracy to flourish in our communities, but if someone whispers a bad word about another race then it's all hands on deck to stamp out the heresy)

so in regards to #2, I'll take any opportunity I can to chip away at this false religion.

 

[lifepsyop]

To be fair, the way that the social media rabbit hole works, you wouldn't necessarily have to be explicitly looking them up. Someone watching a lot of right-wing ragebait videos is going to run across a lot of that sort of content, and the more of it you watch, the more the algorithm feeds you. It's incredibly easy for stuff like that to completely take over your feed, and it can really mess with your perception of reality.

okay but do you realize you're also describing the mainstream media "algorithm" going back decades that affected you and everyone else - it was a giant "black people are being systematically abused by white racism" rabbit hole of a contrived narrative that messed with your perception of reality.

this narrative peaked in the Goerge Floyd/BLM spectacle and his since been falling apart because nobody believes it anymore and there is much more access to uncensored communication and information/video footage with social media.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

The same can be said, even more so for liberals. Try googling something...all you get is 99% liberal bent stories and info fed to you

okay but do you realize you're also describing the mainstream media "algorithm" going back decades that affected you and everyone else - it was a giant "black people are being systematically abused by white racism" rabbit hole of a contrived narrative that messed with your perception of reality.

this narrative peaked in the Goerge Floyd/BLM spectacle and his since been falling apart because nobody believes it anymore and there is much more access to uncensored communication and information/video footage with social media.

Ah yes, that classic, mature, well-reasoned argument "No u!"

The difference is that I recognize that what I see on social media is skewed and actively seek out alternate viewpoints (it's part of the reason why I continute to participate on this forum, in fact). I also try to avoid making sweeping claims on a subject based solely on the fact that I encounter a lot of videos featuring it.