Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat

[Desk trauma]

Killing people and ruining the lives of the countless many is what terrorists do. I guess you sympathize with chaos.

Nothing like summary executions to improve chaos.

 

[DaisyDay]

We still do not support legalizing all drugs.

Noted.

These drug invaders were held personally responsible for their actions.

What drugs were on that boat? Being as they were in international waters not heading towards the US, who was being "invaded"? Who, exactly, were the civilians on this boat? Why was the boat not interdicted as Rubio claimed we could have done?

Hegseth fired the Air Force’s and Army’s top judge advocates general (JAGs) in February to avoid “roadblocks to orders that are given by a commander in chief.” The next month he commissioned his personal lawyer, Timothy Parlatore, as a Navy JAG and empowered him to help overhaul the JAG corps, reportedly pursuing changes that would encourage lawyers to approve more aggressive tactics and take a more lenient approach to those who violate the law of war. Parlatore’s prior claim to fame was successfully defending Eddie Gallagher, a Navy SEAL accused of first-degree murder in the death of a captured ISIS fighter as well as the attempted murder of civilians in Iraq. Distinguished former JAGs and members of Congress have repeatedly spoken out about Hegseth’s efforts to undermine the independence of military legal counsel and subvert military justice.​

(Ibid.)​

This appears to be an international crime. Is America under MAGA a lawless rogue nation? It appears so.

Perhaps Americans should stop paying the cartels for their product, stop voluntarily consuming it and stop exporting guns to them.

 

[Desk trauma]

The operation was illegal.

Nation of laws is ungood oldthink.

 

[rambot]

The anonymous sources are absolutely incorrect.

Huh. Didn't another trump supporting poster have something to say about anonymous sources?

 

[rambot]

No, I am not obtuse at all. But, it's like you care more about international drug traffickers than you care Americans.

What if they care about the rule of law more than anarchy?

You think this has something to do with keeping America safe but there is no proof that this action would have done that. AT BEST that argument is a logical extension...which means..it's a hope. An emotional reaction feom those who saw it.

But those actual events speaks to the PERPETRATOR and not the victim. Yet again Trump excusers continue to blame a victim because of thwir emotions.

Speeding your car is dangerous to America too. Perhaps he'll want to keep America safe by drone striking bad drivers too.

I care about the rule of law more than any nationality.

I wonder. I cant imagine a democrat president doing this...breaking international laws and committing crimes and such, but I wonder if these guys would react favorably had Biden done this. I really don't know.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

And we killed a LOT of Nazis before any were put on trial.

Yes, against a uniformed military in an officially declared war that was approved by Congress.

This is none of those things.

 

[prodromos]

I cant imagine a democrat president doing this

You don't need to. Obama.

 

[Perpetual Student]

Yep there are still leftist ideologues in tge government who will oppose anything Trump does and will side with narco terrorists.

I see "the leftists" not side with narco terrorists, but with the rule of law.
You know, the rule that everybody is innocent until proven guilty. The rule that everybody has the right of a fair trial with the possibility to defend himself. Apparently some here have abandoned this. Suspicion is enough for being killed.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Osama Bin Laden died unarmed like a dog while trying to use his own wife as a human shield. So I guess, according to your standard, Obama is a murderer.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove by this whataboutism exercise. If he explicitly ordered the SEALs to kill him rather than capture him, then yes that could be considered murder. Pretty sure that's not what their orders were though.

 

[rambot]

Here's a question. If America is so great why can't they win within the bounds of the law?

Like trump and golf. If he's so great and wins tournaments why does he have such a reputation for being a flagrant cheat in golf?

Because for Trump, it seems that's the only way he can ever win.

 

[rambot]

You don't need to. ObObama.

And how did the right react to that?

 

[Larniavc]

We are protesting what appear to be extrajudicial killings. One again, under the Constitution, no person is to be deprived of due process.

Silly goose! Once the administration has identified someone or someones as the 'bad guys' they can be killed at will.

 

[Larniavc]

Trump ordered a strike in Yemen that killed an 8-year-old girl who was an American citizen.

How do you know that Trump did not retroactively label her as a terrorist with his mind?

 

[FreeinChrist]

An opinion written by Glee Violette and posted on facebook is interesting.

Glee Violette​

17h ·

The more I think about the boat full of people that was blown up by military officers of the United States of America under Donald Trump, the more things don't add up......​

So, a small boat goes speeding past the Navy, and what? The captain picks up the phone and calls the White House? ....​

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Because Trump and Marco Rubio have made it clear that Trump PERSONALLY gave that order.​

But Trump - AND the captain of that Navy ship - had NO idea who was on that speedboat.​

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They did not have TIME.​

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They did not board the boat. They did not collect evidence. They did not even have an accurate head count. Not one of them has been identified. Do they have ANY of the names ? Even now? No.​

So how could they possibly know if they were gang members?​

Or if, as some have suggested, the boat was full of refugees fleeing Venezuela, like hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans have done already. Maybe speeding TOWARDS the US Navy ships hoping to find refuge and safety under our protection.​

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After all, there were 11 to 13 people aboard that boat. The number differs, because the boat was not close enough to tell. Nor could the gender of the people be determined. Or if there were children on board.​

One thing is for sure. If there were so many people on board such a small vessel, there was not much room for a drug shipment. Was there?​

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They were off the coast of Venezuela, in international waters, nowhere near America. They were NOT threatening our borders. They were not threatening any Americans. They were not even threatening our ships. There were no weapons in the pictures. There is not even any EVIDENCE that a crime was being committed.​

The Navy officers aboard our ship may have SUSPECTED the boat was carrying drugs, but that is not a violent crime like piracy, or kidnapping that warrants immediate intervention.​

This administration is incompetent and untrustworthy.

 

[rjs330]

was and is being tried with immigrants, who are shipped off to foreign countries without due process.

Didn't happen. They are getting due process of immigration law.

Perhaps people from the media? After all, they are, to quote Trump, "the enemy of the people".

The mainstream media is nothing but a political leftist propaganda machine. No they aren't denied their rights.

 

[rjs330]

Apparently, the Trump administration thinks they have no rights.

They dont if they are seeking to invade this country with things that are going to kill Americans.

notice his pathetic attempt to conflate drug traffickers withe Al Qaeda.

They've killed more Americans than Al Qaeda.

Congress has not authorized the military to attack Tren de Agua, MS-13 nor any other gang that the "Secretary of War" is trying to portray as an "immnent threat" to our national security.

Congress doesn't have to authorize those attacks. Thats already been decided. What makes you think they do?

The operation was illegal.

No it wasn't.

 

[rjs330]

This appears to be an international crime. Is America under MAGA a lawless rogue nation? It appears so.

No it isn't. Only in the leftist mind are drug dealers and suppliers people who need to be protected.

Perhaps Americans should stop paying the cartels for their product, stop voluntarily consuming it and stop exporting guns to them.

Maybe Americans should stop defending cartels and crying when they get their just deserts.

 

[rjs330]

Speeding your car is dangerous to America too. Perhaps he'll want to keep America safe by drone striking bad drivers too.

This shows rhe leftist mindset. Narco terrorists who exist to supply Americans with drugs that kill millions are compared to a speeder. Al Qaeda is equitable to someone who runs a stop sign.

What if they care about the rule of law more than anarchy?

I suppose if Al Qaeda was bringing in a dirty bomb we should just let them come on in and give them a nice trial. Nope, we should just blow them up in the ocean.

wonder. I cant imagine a democrat president doing this...breaking international laws and committing crimes and such, but I wonder if these guys would react favorably had Biden done this. I really don't know.

We woild have cheered and said, finally we have a president who's trying to protect this country.

 

[iluvatar5150]

An opinion written by Glee Violette and posted on facebook is interesting.

Glee Violette​

17h ·

The more I think about the boat full of people that was blown up by military officers of the United States of America under Donald Trump, the more things don't add up......​

So, a small boat goes speeding past the Navy, and what? The captain picks up the phone and calls the White House? ....​

​

​

Because Trump and Marco Rubio have made it clear that Trump PERSONALLY gave that order.​

But Trump - AND the captain of that Navy ship - had NO idea who was on that speedboat.​

​

They did not have TIME.​

​

They did not board the boat. They did not collect evidence. They did not even have an accurate head count. Not one of them has been identified. Do they have ANY of the names ? Even now? No.​

So how could they possibly know if they were gang members?​

Or if, as some have suggested, the boat was full of refugees fleeing Venezuela, like hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans have done already. Maybe speeding TOWARDS the US Navy ships hoping to find refuge and safety under our protection.​

​

After all, there were 11 to 13 people aboard that boat. The number differs, because the boat was not close enough to tell. Nor could the gender of the people be determined. Or if there were children on board.​

One thing is for sure. If there were so many people on board such a small vessel, there was not much room for a drug shipment. Was there?​

​

They were off the coast of Venezuela, in international waters, nowhere near America. They were NOT threatening our borders. They were not threatening any Americans. They were not even threatening our ships. There were no weapons in the pictures. There is not even any EVIDENCE that a crime was being committed.​

The Navy officers aboard our ship may have SUSPECTED the boat was carrying drugs, but that is not a violent crime like piracy, or kidnapping that warrants immediate intervention.​

This administration is incompetent and untrustworthy.

I don't trust the Trump administration in the slightest, but the time argument feels weak to me. To steelman their position, it's entirely possible that they were surveilling people in Venezuela and were per-authorized to fire once they witnessed them load the drugs, load drugs, and enter international waters.

 

[rambot]

This shows rhe leftist mindset. Narco terrorists who exist to supply Americans with drugs that kill millions are compared to a speeder. Al Qaeda is equitable to someone who runs a stop sign.

I suppose if Al Qaeda was bringing in a dirty bomb we should just let them come on in and give them a nice trial. Nope, we should just blow them up in the ocean.

We woild have cheered and said, finally we have a president who's trying to protect this country.

Amazing you guys feel THAT scared that you're willing to abandon principles.