Mass Shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church/School in Minneapolis

[rjs330]

Prevalence of identifying as transgender is roughly 1%, and transgender mass shooters are about 0.1% of mass shootings. So they are under-represented by an order of magnitude.

Women are underrepresented by a similar factor.

Perhaps it's time to talk about the high percentage of violence among men.

Maybe we ought to t all about rhe high percentage of violence among black men.

Mass shooters are not simply school or night club shooters. Mass shooters include shootings by gang members.

We have had too many school/club shootings committed by transgenders. 5 now. Showing that mental illness is a key factor. Trnasgender people are mentally ill and rhe mentally ill seem to be involved with the majority of theae types of shootings.

Now thats not to say that transgender people are inherently dangerous. Anymore than saying that AR owners are. But we can say that mentally ill people can be very dangerous.

 

[Bradskii]

The Nazis murdered millions; so did the Bolsheviks and their devolution into Communists the same. Are genocidal acts those of normal human beings?

Unfortunately, yes. Germany was a solidly Christian country. People like Bonhoeffer were the exception: https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/magazine/article/christians-against-nazis/

'But on the ‘Jewish question', only a few shared Bonhoeffer’s insights and opinions. Only a few were able to put behind them the institutionalized anti-semitism of the Christian church. Only a few spoke up for the Jews who were deprived of their rights, humiliated, stripped of human dignity, driven out of Germany and eventually killed in their millions in the holocaust of the gas chambers.'

And Arendt on Eichmann: What did Hannah Arendt really mean by the banality of evil? | Aeon Ideas

'I was struck by the manifest shallowness in the doer which made it impossible to trace the uncontestable evil of his deeds to any deeper level of roots or motives. The deeds were monstrous, but the doer – at least the very effective one now on trial – was quite ordinary, commonplace, and neither demonic nor monstrous.'

 

[Bradskii]

Thats precisely what Im saying. The Nazi and bolshevik atrocities were so broad in scope that they required the participation of normal people. The leadership couldn't just recruit from a tiny mentally ill minority. Normal people are induced to come on board by threats, but even moreso by ideological indoctrination re exactly who the enemy is.

Of course. This is a truism. I knew this from an early age (probably when I read Lord Of The Flies). Unfortunately we are all prone to it.

 

[Aldebaran]

Since you seem to care what people who gun down children have to say, the shooter did mention how "shockingly east" it was for him to obtain a gun.

Yeah, everyone in the MSM claims to be waiting to discover what his motive was, but when we finally discover that it had nothing to do with what type of guns he had, now it's somehow a bad thing "to care what people who gun down children have to say".
Come on, at least figure out whether or not you're serious about wanting to prevent this sort of thing from happening.

 

[Aldebaran]

Chicago is a perfect example of why there needs to be stricter gun control laws on a national level. The majority of guns used in Chicago crimes come from outside the city and from across the border in Indiana, which has some of the weakest gun laws in the country – ranking 27th in the country for gun law strength in Everytown’s 2024 Gun Law Rankings.

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Most guns used to commit crimes in cities like Washington DC, Baltimore, and New York, where strict gun laws are in place, also come from outside these cities and from other states.

If there were universal background checks on all gun purchases and transfers, including private transfers; multi-day waiting periods on all gun purchases; a requirement for training and proficiency tests for the type of gun being purchased; etc., then the number of shootings in Chicago as well as schools and other public places throughout the country would drop substantially. That's not to say that stronger gun control is the only answer when it comes to gun violence; there also needs to be increased spending on mental health services and treatment, and increased penalties for people who commit a crime when there's a gun involved.

The Minneapolis shooter passed the background check. Universal or not, it wouldn't have mattered.

 

[Aldebaran]

Do you want to lose your gun license or car license? Do you think that hey, another couple of beers before I drive home won't hurt because if I lose my license I can still drive. Gee, there's a speed limit of 40mph but nobody can stop me driving at 100mph! Actually nobody can stop me robbing a bank or shooting my neighbour.

You really don't realise how stupid the 'argument' is that you're trying to to present.

It's not that you have no idea how to stop the carnage. You don't want to because it means it will be inconvenient for you to have more regulations. Dead children are the price you'll accept for the status quo.

Sounds like your objections to my argument are more personal than anything else. People who argue in favor of gun control pretty much always do it based on their emotions. That's why they always lose.

 

[Pommer]

Now you can't buy cigarettes until you are 21!

I tell kids that we used to have “cigarette-machines” that only “asked” if we had the 75¢.

 

[Postvieww]

Weird how this guy didn't blame his "assault weapon" with high-cap magazines for making him do this, but those who want guns banned do.

Many just don’t get it. Guns are not the problem. Evil in the hearts of man is the the culprit. If it wasn’t a gun it would be a rock or some other means to an end. There have been mass attacks with cars, fire and even knives. Someone who has murder in their heart will find a way to murder. The current obsession with taking guns is just a means to control the masses with a feel good plan wrapped up in self perceived righteousness.

 

[Postvieww]

Germany was a solidly Christian country.

Being Christian in name is not the same as being Christian in heart.

 

[Desk trauma]

Many just don’t get it. Guns are not the problem. Evil in the hearts of man is the the culprit. If it wasn’t a gun it would be a rock or some other means to an end. There have been mass attacks with cars, fire and even knives. Someone who has murder in their heart will find a way to murder. The current obsession with taking guns is just a means to control the masses with a feel good plan wrapped up in self perceived righteousness.

How’s it going to control the masses if gun are taken away? After all they can just use rocks, cars, fire and knives in their place? It’s not like guns are easier to use or more effective, right?

 

[JosephZ]

The Minneapolis shooter passed the background check. Universal or not, it wouldn't have mattered.

That's correct, but that's only one of several gun control measures being proposed. If all of the measures listed below were enacted at the federal level, the Minneapolis shooting would have at a minimum been less severe and possibly would not have happened at all.

• A ban on assault-style weapons and high capacity magazines;
• Universal background checks on all gun purchases and transfers, including private transfers and sales at gun shows;
• Require a 10 day waiting period on all gun purchases;
• Require registration and a license for each gun that a person owns;
• Have a minimum age limit of 21 to purchase a handgun and require a hunting license for purchases of rifles or shotguns by adults under 21 who are not in the military or law enforcement; and
• Require training and a proficiency test for the type of gun being purchased.

 

[durangodawood]

All the types of weapons in circulation (or banned) are equally dangerous to the public!

 

[Desk trauma]

All the types of weapons in circulation (or banned) are equally dangerous to the public!

The shooters are all in on it, they’re using guns in their rampages instead of rocks to push anti gun legislation!

 

[Desk trauma]

That's correct, but that's only one of several gun control measures being proposed. If all of the measures listed below were enacted at the federal level, the Minneapolis shooting would have at a minimum been less severe and possibly would not have happened at all.

• A ban on assault-style weapons and high capacity magazines;
• Universal background checks on all gun purchases and transfers, including private transfers and sales at gun shows;
• Require a 10 day waiting period on all gun purchases;
• Require registration and a license for each gun that a person owns;
• Have a minimum age limit of 21 to purchase a handgun and require a hunting license for purchases of rifles or shotguns by adults under 21 who are not in the military or law enforcement; and
• Require training and a proficiency test for the type of gun being purchased.

Every shooting that makes national news is supposedly going to be some kind of tipping point because reasons, it’s not. Not this time, not the last five times, nor the next five. Thinking about it in any depth or coming up with solutions is a waste of effort and needless frustration.

The losses are acceptable.

This is normal.

 

[JosephZ]

Many just don’t get it. Guns are not the problem.

Certain types of guns are part of the problem.

Dayton Shooting Lasted Just 32 Seconds and Left 9 Dead. ​

It was just 32 seconds from the first shot to the last shot. In that time, a 24-year-old gunman with an AR-15-style assault rifle and a 100-round drum magazine was able to kill nine people and wound 27 others on a crowded street in Dayton, Ohio early Sunday.

In that time, six Dayton police officers were able to respond and open fire, killing the shooter as he tried to enter a packed bar.

 

[JosephZ]

Every shooting that makes national news is supposedly going to be some kind of tipping point because reasons, it’s not. Not this time, not the last five times, nor the next five. Thinking about it in any depth or coming up with solutions is a waste of effort and needless frustration.

You're probably right.

The losses are acceptable.

This is normal.

Unfortunately, this is true. As I said earlier in the thread, too many people in the United States have some sort of weird fetish with guns and apparently love their guns more than they love their neighbors and their neighbors' children.

 

[o_mlly]

People need to be held accountable for where their wrong beliefs lead. Does geocentrism lead people to commit some atrocity or other? I dont think so. But other wrong beliefs certainly do.

I'm not sure what your point is. If your point is that some may have wrong beliefs then I agree. If your point is that only because mass murderers have wrong beliefs that that explains their horrific act then I disagree. No one acts contrary to what they think rightly or wrongly is good for them.

The mass murderers incorrect belief that an act is not evil is necessary but not sufficient to explain the mass murderer's state of mind. That he desires or wills to plan and act on that belief precedes the act itself. The will to commit such an evil act is the desire of a diseased mind, a mentally unhealthy mind.

Thats precisely what Im saying. The Nazi and bolshevik atrocities were so broad in scope that they required the participation of normal people. The leadership couldn't just recruit from a tiny mentally ill minority. Normal people are induced to come on board by threats, but even moreso by ideological indoctrination re exactly who the enemy is.

Formal cooperation refers to agreement in the will regarding the evil act. We may never assist another person in an external evil act, and intend its evilness.

Formal cooperation in mass murdering of innocents is not the act of normal people. Normal people know that mass murdering is always and everywhere evil. Inducing them to believe otherwise is not possible. Coercing them through threats of violence for non-cooperation is possible. Some are but not everyone is capable of heroic virtue.

 

[Valletta]

That's correct, but that's only one of several gun control measures being proposed. If all of the measures listed below were enacted at the federal level, the Minneapolis shooting would have at a minimum been less severe and possibly would not have happened at all.

• A ban on assault-style weapons and high capacity magazines;
• Universal background checks on all gun purchases and transfers, including private transfers and sales at gun shows;
• Require a 10 day waiting period on all gun purchases;
• Require registration and a license for each gun that a person owns;
• Have a minimum age limit of 21 to purchase a handgun and require a hunting license for purchases of rifles or shotguns by adults under 21 who are not in the military or law enforcement; and
• Require training and a proficiency test for the type of gun being purchased.

Your dreams of such an authoritarian government are not going to happen. If you are serious you should work on getting the 2nd Amendment repealed and then get back to us.

 

[Valletta]

You're probably right.

Unfortunately, this is true. As I said earlier in the thread, too many people in the United States have some sort of weird fetish with guns and apparently love their guns more than they love their neighbors and their neighbors' children.

What a horrible and untrue thing to say. Conservatives are out there trying to save lives. The subterfuge and support of false narratives by so many that got Joe Biden elected resulted in over one million casualties in the Ukraine/Russia war (Joe was the catalyst, never would have happened without him), deaths of Americans and Afghanis in Afghanistan, the highest level of human trafficking in the United States since the Civil War, more babies aborted, and more rapes and other crimes of violence committed by letting unvetted crriminals and terrorists into our country. You need to do some serious thinking about who loves their neighbor and their neighbors' children..

 

[Desk trauma]

What a horrible and untrue thing to say. Conservatives are out there trying to save lives. The subterfuge and support of false narratives by so many that got Joe Biden elected resulted in over one million casualties in the Ukraine/Russia war (Joe was the catalyst, never would have happened without him), deaths of Americans and Afghanis in Afghanistan, the highest level of human trafficking in the United States since the Civil War, more babies aborted, and more rapes and other crimes of violence committed by letting unvetted crriminals and terrorists into our country. You need to do some serious thinking about who loves their neighbor and their neighbors' children..

Always manage to hit all the talking points.