Mass Shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church/School in Minneapolis

[Hentenza]

The argument from 'the left' is that when you grant someone the use of a dangerous item, such as a car, then to limit the number of deaths one needs a boat load of rules and regulations to limit the number of people who are likely to be killed by either genuine accidents or people using the vehicles in a dangerous manner.

That‘s the left’s argument about guns so why not apply it to other items that kill?

Your risible response is to say that hey, there are still lots of people killed by cars, so...

So………

So...what? The rules are useless? We need more? Explain yourself.

You obviously missed the argument since you coming at this quite late.

 

[Aldebaran]

The argument from 'the left' is that when you grant someone the use of a dangerous item, such as a car, then to limit the number of deaths one needs a boat load of rules and regulations to limit the number of people who are likely to be killed by either genuine accidents or people using the vehicles in a dangerous manner.

Your risible response is to say that hey, there are still lots of people killed by cars, so...

So...what? The rules are useless? We need more? Explain yourself.

You continue pushing the false narrative that there are no rules governing firearms.
Here are the ones just for the state of Minnesota, where the shooting happened most recently: https://www.house.mn.gov/hrd/pubs/firearms.pdf

 

[Bradskii]

Here in America, we're not paranoid about who has a gun and who doesn't, especially if they have training.

Gosh. Training eh? Where you have lessons. Where you are shown how to use the thing properly. Taught about safety. Have to sit exams and pass a test to show that you are a responsible person to own one. You get a license. Like, you know, we do with cars. Which are designed to get you from here to there. Which aren't designed to kill people. But are still dangerous in the wrong hands.

You saw the list of just some of the rules and regs that apply to vehicles I posted. Nobody complains about those. They're just something that everyone realises that we have to have to ensure that the death toll is kept lower than it would be if there were no regulations. To try to keep people safe.

So is that what you mean when you say training? Treat guns like cars and train people and test them and license them before they can have one? I guess you must mean that. Why would you have less regulations for a gun, purposely designed to kill than you would for your set of wheels you use to go shopping and drive to work?

 

[Aldebaran]

Gosh. Training eh? Where you have lessons. Where you are shown how to use the thing properly. Taught about safety. Have to sit exams and pass a test to show that you are a responsible person to own one. You get a license. Like, you know, we do with cars. Which are designed to get you from here to there. Which aren't designed to kill people. But are still dangerous in the wrong hands.

You saw the list of just some of the rules and regs that apply to vehicles I posted. Nobody complains about those. They're just something that everyone realises that we have to have to ensure that the death toll is kept lower than it would be if there were no regulations. To try to keep people safe.

So is that what you mean when you say training? Treat guns like cars and train people and test them and license them before they can have one? I guess you must mean that. Why would you have less regulations for a gun, purposely designed to kill than you would for your set of wheels you use to go shopping and drive to work?

Not everyone who is driving a car either in my country or yours has a drivers license. Some people's license has been revoked, some people are even driving drunk. What laws do you have in your country that prevent a person who is drunk from being able to operate a motor vehicle?

 

[Bradskii]

That‘s the left’s argument about guns so why not apply it to other items that kill?

Yeah, like ladders. Dangerous things ladders. Is your argument that we should license them and train people and make them take a test like they do with cars? Do you have any comprehension of how fatuous an argument it is that you are attempting to use?

'Other things are dangerous and there's no regulations (knitting needles, windows, hammers, showers...the list is endless) so why call for regulations on guns?'

Ah, but it's a political argument that 'the left' is using. It's 'the right' that likes lots of guns and 'the left' want to spoil your fun. I guess the countless dead children don't have anything to do with it. The last 8 year old with a hole blown in his face is of no concern. The countless parents weeping for a lost child has no bearing whatsoever. The traumatised survivors who have seen their friends gunned down matter not at all. People wanting an end to this national tragedy, well they're just some people wanting to make a political point.

 

[Bradskii]

Not everyone who is driving a car either in my country or yours has a drivers license. Some people's license has been revoked, some people are even driving drunk. What laws do you have in your country that prevent a person who is drunk from being able to operate a motor vehicle?

No. No, that's a monstrously stupid argument. You are literally saying that if bad people break the law then it's a waste of time having the laws in the first place.

But wait...

Are you trying to hint at a solution without being seen to be supporting stricter regulations? Are you suggesting that gun licenses can be revoked if someone doesn't obey whatever rules and regs we choose to place on the owners of guns? If you are drunk in charge of a car there are sever punishments. You will lose your license and possibly your liberty. Are you saying that we do the same for guns?

 

[RileyG]

Where do they keep their weapon?

My thoughts exactly.

I wonder if arming teachers would only increase gun violence, not decrease it.

 

[Bradskii]

My thoughts exactly.

I wonder if arming teachers would only increase gun violence, not decrease it.

One thing it would obviously do is make the teacher the first target.

I've taught at my grandson's school. There are protocols to follow if there is any danger such as a possible shooter. You lock down immediately. What you most definitely don't do is leave the kids alone and wander the corridors looking for the problem.

 

[Hentenza]

Yeah, like ladders. Dangerous things ladders. Is your argument that we should license them and train people and make them take a test like they do with cars? Do you have any comprehension of how fatuous an argument it is that you are attempting to use?

'Other things are dangerous and there's no regulations (knitting needles, windows, hammers, showers...the list is endless) so why call for regulations on guns?'

Ah, but it's a political argument that 'the left' is using. It's 'the right' that likes lots of guns and 'the left' want to spoil your fun. I guess the countless dead children don't have anything to do with it. The last 8 year old with a hole blown in his face is of no concern. The countless parents weeping for a lost child has no bearing whatsoever. The traumatised survivors who have seen their friends gunned down matter not at all. People wanting an end to this national tragedy, well they're just some people wanting to make a political point.

Take care of the root cause not the left’s political darling.

 

[Postvieww]

Where do they keep their weapon?

On their person concealed.

 

[Postvieww]

Below is a lot of information about the shooter and his mind set . Make your own conclusions but this definitely is not just a simple take the guns issue .

Manifesto Contents — Key Details

1.
Here’s what has been confirmed about the contents of the manifesto left by Robin Westman, the shooter in the Annunciation Catholic Church tragedy on August 27, 2025:

Manifesto Contents — Key Details

1.
Personal Reflections & Mental State

• Westman opened the manifesto with:
  “I don’t expect forgiveness … to my family and those close to me, I do apologize for the effects my actions will have on your lives.”
  The writing continues with clarifying sentiments such as: “I have wanted this for so long. I am not well. I am not right. … I am severely depressed and have been suicidal for years. … Only recently have I lost all hope and decided to perform my final action against this world.”

2.

Visual Depictions & Symbolism

• Videos showcased Westman’s arsenal of firearms and ammunition, inscribed with hateful and extremist messages. These included phrases like “kill Donald Trump,” “6 million wasn’t enough” (referencing Holocaust denial), and other antisemitic, anti-Catholic, and racist slogans

3.

Ids of Infamy & Admiration of Other Shooters

• Names of infamous mass shooters—such as Adam Lanza, Anders Behring Breivik, Robert Bowers, Brenton Tarrant, James Holmes, among others—were written on the magazines and gear. Westman appeared fascinated or inspired by past perpetrators.

4.

Plans & Tactical Content

• The manifesto included diagrams or a hand-drawn layout of the church, along with journals possibly written in Cyrillic script—suggesting planning and mapping for the attack.

5.

Hate Across Many Targets

• Authorities noted expressions of hatred toward every group except other mass shooters. Westman explicitly targeted Black people, Mexican people, Christians, Jewish people, Catholics, and even President Trump, marking these sentiments both in the written journals and on the weaponry.

6.

Complex Identity Conflict

• In personal writings, Westman expressed deep internal conflict concerning gender identity—describing regret over transitioning and ambivalence about identifying fully as male or female. Phrases like “tired of being trans” and “I know I am not a woman but I definitely don’t feel like a man” appeared.

7.


Timing & Targeting

• The manifesto and videos were released on YouTube shortly before the shooting to coincide with the school’s first Mass of the academic year—a deliberate act intended to target children during a vulnerable moment.

In Summary

• Yes, Robin Westman left a manifesto—handwritten and recorded in videos.
• It included personal expressions of despair, diagrams of the attack site, inscriptions on weapons glorifying mass shooters, violent and hateful messages toward multiple groups, and conflicted reflections on gender identity.
• It showcased a premeditated attack, motivated by internal turmoil as much as by extremist ideology.
• e been suicidal for years. … Only recently have I lost all hope and decided to perform my final action against this world.”

 

[o_mlly]

The articles do not support what you wrote, and no, you can't apply the Pareto principle to the stats as you suggested to determine that 100% of mass murderers are mentally disordered. Having one out of five mass shooters suffering from a mental disorder doesn't make all five mentally disordered.

Yes it does. Common sense supports what I wrote. We, or at least I, do not need a PhD to make that call.

Doctor to patient: "Murder is the intentional taking of an innocent person's life. Have you planned and murdered multiple innocent people at the same time and place?
Patient to Doctor: "Yes."
Doctor to Patient: "You're nuts"

 

[o_mlly]

Depends what you mean.

Some, notably, are well functioning adults who are even possessed with normal empathy, etc. But, they are ideologically poisoned to the point where their targets are the enemy and theyre at war. In war youre encouraged to legitimately kill the enemy.

Ideological poisoning can strike minds that are well within the range we call healthy.

A poisoned mind is an unhealthy mind, ie., mentally disordered.

 

[Valletta]

Europe has a similar problem:

Rights experts highlight rising anti-Christian hate crime in Europe

Church and human rights organizations have long warned of rising anti-Christian prejudice across Europe, fueled by anti-religious groups and social media.

www.osvnews.com

We continue to ask, but it is clear that the violent rhetoric will continue despite our pleas.

 

[dogs4thewin]

That doesn't stop people who are mentally unstable accessing guns. Try again.

but if the mental health issues are addressed they are less likely to be mentally unstable.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I find it difficult to come to terms with what you are saying. Which is, in effect, that there's hardly a problem with guns. Because gee, lots more kids would be blown apart if there was. I mean...how many kids have to die before you realise that there is a problem. Twelve a day seems to be what you're prepared to accept. I asked earlier and I'll ask again: What is the figure when you call for a national debate of what you must do?

What I have an issue with is blaming the guns which clearly A guns do not shoot themselves and B MILLIONS of people own guns and yet the vast majority of those people do not shoot people randomly. It is not about death being acceptable (otherwise we would be saying that people should facee no CHARGES when people died by their actions (or lack there of in certain cases) it comes down to the fact that guns are items that do nothing by themselves and people that can be trusted with guns should not have to be punished for the few who cannot.

You also have to realize that background checks ( for example are great, but they DO come with the limitationn that something have to be actually documented for them to work.

 

[durangodawood]

A poisoned mind is an unhealthy mind, ie., mentally disordered.

Believing wrong things is different from having mental/emotional deficiencies. For instance there were plenty of Nazis or even Bolsheviks who had fully functioning mental and emotional apparatus. The problem was bad understanding of who is the enemy, and wildly misplaced optimism about the possibilities for glory.

Lots of healthy people get caught up in a culture of believing wrong things to the point that they commit what in hindsight are atrocities. History has shown this over and over.

 

[Valletta]

but if the mental health issues are addressed they are less likely to be mentally unstable.

Yes, and we also need to stop the triggers for mentally unstable people, the hatred pushed, whether it be hatred against Jews or Christians or President Trump and those who support Trump.

 

[JosephZ]

What I have an issue with is blaming the guns which clearly A guns do not shoot themselves and B MILLIONS of people own guns and yet the vast majority of those people do not shoot people randomly. It is not about death being acceptable (otherwise we would be saying that people should facee no CHARGES when people died by their actions (or lack there of in certain cases) it comes down to the fact that guns are items that do nothing by themselves and people that can be trusted with guns should not have to be punished for the few who cannot.

Measures like universal background checks, waiting periods, licensing, red flag laws, and safe storage requirements are supported by a large majority of gun owners and aren't seen as a punishment.

 

[Valletta]

Measures like universal background checks, waiting periods, licensing, red flag laws, and safe storage requirements are supported by a large majority of gun owners and aren't seen as a punishment.

You keep talking laws, Chicago and Washington D.C. have strict laws but not putting the violent lawbreakers in jail is the problem. Quit teaching the kids to identify by pronouns, give them school choice so they can learn to read and write. Encourage families with a mom and a dad. Teach them about our country's Judeo/Christian values, about respect for others and loving your neighbor.