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[ralliann]

Yes, we should treat all that have sin exactly the same.

No. Some sins are worse than others.

 

[Michie]

No. Some sins are worse than others.

And that’s scriptural.

 

[ralliann]

And that’s scriptural.

Yes it is....

 

[Yarddog]

No. Some sins are worse than others.

Why would that change how we treat all hem? Jesus called us to love all equally.

 

[Yarddog]

And that’s scriptural.

It's also scriptural that it doesn't matter which commandment that one breaks it is the same. They would be a law breakers.

 

[ralliann]

Why would that change how we treat all hem? Jesus called us to love all equally.

Because even the wicked know how to do good to their own children. If you cannot grow a heart for your children, you will never grow a heart for anyone.

 

[Michie]

It's also scriptural that it doesn't matter which commandment that one breaks it is the same. They would be a law breakers.

Yes but there are degrees. There are sins that kill while others only injure. You should know this as a Catholic. There are mortal and venial sins.

 

[Yarddog]

Yes but there are degrees. There are sins that kill while others only injure. You should know this s a Catholic. There are mortal and venial sins.

Yes, I know what the Church teaches but the does not allow us to treat people without love. LGBTQ individuals are welcome to come in an worship beside the rest of the parish.

 

[ralliann]

Yes but there are degrees. There are sins that kill while others only injure. You should know this s a Catholic. There are mortal and venial sins.

yes, the penalties are different.

 

[Michie]

Yes, I know what the Church teaches but the does not allow us to treat people without love. LGBTQ individuals are welcome to come in a worship beside the rest of the parish.

Of course they are but it does not mean we look away and ignore when they are practicing their homosexuality in relationships. Thats the thing, people misuse the judge not verse and ignore the rest and try to call it good.

 

[Michie]

yes, the penalties are different.

They sure are and they are serious. People forget that.

 

[ralliann]

Yes, I know what the Church teaches but the does not allow us to treat people without love. LGBTQ individuals are welcome to come in an worship beside the rest of the parish.

Can they do so in unrepentance? Open rebellion?

 

[Michie]

Can they do so in unrepentance? Open rebellion?

They cannot take communion but many do anyway which makes it worse.

 

[Yarddog]

Of course they are but it does not mean we look away and ignore when they are practicing their homosexuality in relationships. Thats the thing, people misuse the judge not verse and ignore the rest and try to call it good.

The same is with all that sin, which is everyone in the pews. We don't treat LGBTQ any different than other sinners or we are in sin.

 

[Yarddog]

Can they do so in unrepentance? Open rebellion?

They are no different than other sinners that are in the Church

 

[Michie]

The same is with all that sin, which is everyone in the pews. We don't treat LGBTQ any different than other sinners or we are in sin.

We go to confession and make amends and strive to never do it again no matter what it is. You cannot take communion in an active state of mortal sin. I fail to see why you do not understand this.

 

[Michie]

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Question:​

Aren't all sins equally offensive to God? After all, James 2:10 says, "For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it."

Answer:​

Don’t ignore 1 John 5:17: “All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.” Everyone sins and falls short of the glory of God—there is no disputing that. But why would Paul tell Christians in Rome to keep the faith—”otherwise you too will be cut off” (Rom 11:22)—unless he feared for their salvation? There are other times when the apostle indicates the necessity of remaining with Christ lest salvation be lost (1 Cor 9:27, Phil 2:12). Yet salvation is not lost by every sin; as James says, “We all stumble in many ways” (Jas 3:2).

It stands to reason that the Catholic Church would teach that some human failings are worse than others. Man-made law reflects this insight: Governments do not hang jaywalkers. As it is with human law, so it is with divine law. Minor sins are called “venial,” and serious sins are called “mortal” because they involve a massive rejection of God’s law and cause the spiritual death of the soul.

What James means when he says that whoever fails on one point of the law is guilty of breaking all of it is not that all humans are equally guilty if they sin once—then there would be no difference in the levels of punishment people would receive, yet Jesus says there will be (Lk 12:47-48; cf. Mt 10:15, 11:22-24). What James means is that anyone who breaks one point of the law is guilty of breaking the law itself, of breaking it as an entity. To give an analogy, anyone who breaks one part of a plate is guilty of breaking the plate. He may not have broken every part of it—smashed it into pieces—but he is guilty of breaking the plate as a whole.

In the same way, a person who breaks one law has broken the law as a whole; he has become a lawbreaker, which is James’s point, as is clear from the next verse: “For he who said, `Do not commit adultery,’ said also, `Do not kill.’ If you do not commit adultery but do kill, you have become a transgressor of the law” (Jas 2:11). This means all of us need mercy and therefore need to be merciful (Jas 2:12-13).

Are all sins equally offensive to God?

Arer all sins equal? Minor sins are called "venial," and serious sins are called "mortal" because they involve a massive rejection of God's law and cause the spiritual death of the soul.

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[Yarddog]

We go to confession and make amends and strive to never do it again no matter what it is.

You strive? Why don't you turn your sins over to God and let God change you? Trust God, not yourself
.

You cannot take communion in an active state of mortal sin. I fail to see why you do not understand this.

I understand what the Church teaches but the Church knowingly allows those in sin partake of the Eucharist.

 

[ralliann]

They cannot take communion but many do anyway which makes it worse.

That is what I thought, but was not completely certain.

 

[ralliann]

You strive? Why don't you turn your sins over to God and let God change you? Trust God, not yourself
.

I understand what the Church teaches but the Church knowingly allows those in sin partake of the Eucharist.

No repentance?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.