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Is it important for Children to be safe and for justice to be served?

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The topic of confession is controversial even between the various denominations of christianity.

I am not questioning the spiritual aspects of the practice. Those lie completely out of my area of expertise. I'm just asking if there is a measurable difference in behaviour between people who confess to a crime (in the sense of catholic confessional) and those who don't. I am truly curious about this, but your evasive answers, as well as invoking the forum religion as an attempt to shut me up, don't lead me to believe that you share that curiosity. Do you believe that even questioning the worldly impact of the practice is sinful?
I’m not trying to shut you up, and I’m sorry if I came off as that way. If criminals weren’t truly repentant they weren’t forgiven anyway, and the sacrament never took place. That is what I was trying to convey.

I apologize if I came off as rude.

Peace
 
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I’m not trying to shut you up, and I’m sorry if I came off as that way. If criminals weren’t truly repentant they weren’t forgiven anyway, and the sacrament never took place. That is what I was trying to convey.

I apologize if I came off as rude.

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There are so few true Scotsmen after all.
 
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No. Nothing said in confession should ever be reported to anyone. Thats an attack against the faithful. Period.

Not even under the circumstances of torture or death can a priest break the seal for any reason. That’s how serious they take it.
I'm curious. Would you extend this to other religions? If they had a similar dynamic in Buddhism would you find the reason that it is a part of their faith enough to except them from the legal requirement that they protect children from rapists?
 
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I’m not trying to shut you up, and I’m sorry if I came off as that way. If criminals weren’t truly repentant they weren’t forgiven anyway, and the sacrament never took place. That is what I was trying to convey.

I apologize if I came off as rude.

Peace
I understand the principle and why you would hold such thoughts. That doesn't really answer my question though. But perhaps my question just doesn't have an answer, which is okay as well.
 
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I'm curious. Would you extend this to other religions? If they had a similar dynamic in Buddhism would you find the reason that it is a part of their faith enough to except them from the legal requirement that they protect children from rapists?
If it’s something sacred to them, then yes.

Everyone should do everything possible to keep children safe.

Also, as far as I know, a priest could not absolve a murderer or rapist until they turn themself in, so it’s a moot point.
 
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I understand the principle and why you would hold such thoughts. That doesn't really answer my question though. But perhaps my question just doesn't have an answer, which is okay as well.
I mean, it depends if a person believes the grace of God can change a person, so it’s more faith based….
 
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I mean, it depends if a person believes the grace of God can change a person, so it’s more faith based….
I agree that spiritual things by definition can't be measured. But perhaps their effect can be?
 
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If it’s something sacred to them, then yes.
Interesting. So if I believe something to be sacred that should supersede the safety of others. Seems a bizarre stance to me, but then I believe the events of this life to be paramount .
Everyone should do everything possible to keep children safe.
Unless it conflicts with aspects of faith it would seem.
Also, as far as I know, a priest could not absolve a murderer or rapist until they turn themself in, so it’s a moot point.
I do not find your lack of knowledge to be a good basis for making decisions on the safety of others. Perhaps we should ask them and ensure that is a papel decree?
 
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Interesting. So if I believe something to be sacred that should supersede the safety of others. Seems a bizarre stance to me, but then I believe the events of this life to be paramount .

Unless it conflicts with aspects of faith it would seem.

I do not find your lack of knowledge to be a good basis for making decisions on the safety of others. Perhaps we should ask them and ensure that is a papel decree?
Again, if it’s anonymous especially in a larger parish, the priest has zero idea who confessed. It’s bizarre some people think a rapist would confess when they think they did nothing wrong. That’s been my point all along.

this bill thankfully won’t pass SCOTUS nor is it helpful.

The last paragraph I wrote is 100% correct.
 
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I’m not trying to shut you up, and I’m sorry if I came off as that way. If criminals weren’t truly repentant they weren’t forgiven anyway, and the sacrament never took place. That is what I was trying to convey.
Wouldn’t that fact that the penitent brought up the topic of the need for absolution for such a heinous act be prima facia evidence of their sincere repentance?
 
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If it’s something sacred to them, then yes.

Everyone should do everything possible to keep children safe.

Also, as far as I know, a priest could not absolve a murderer or rapist until they turn themself in, so it’s a moot point.
But would they let the murderer or rapist be reported if they did not turn themselves and absolution was denied?
 
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But would they let the murderer or rapist be reported if they did not turn themselves and absolution was denied?
I’m not sure how they would follow up to be entirely honest. …
 
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Wouldn’t that fact that the penitent brought up the topic of the need for absolution for such a heinous act be prima facia evidence of their sincere repentance?
I don’t know.
 
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Wouldn’t that fact that the penitent brought up the topic of the need for absolution for such a heinous act be prima facia evidence of their sincere repentance?

I don’t know.
Okay, maybe you should consider not holding an opinion on this topic until you know?
 
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/?I’m not sure how they would follow up to be entirely honest. …
Would they tell the police the guy in the confession booth admitted to child molestation or keep it secret?
 
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Okay, maybe you should consider not holding an opinion on this topic until you know?
I’m very much entitled to an opinion since it involves attacking the sacraments at MY Church, thank you very much. And yes, what I stated was accurate.
 
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