Senator Thom Tillis: The Big Beautiful Bill breaks Trump's Promise

[RocksInMyHead]

Spending on necessities isn't what leads to bankruptcy. Wasteful spending is what leads to bankruptcy. When someone is on the verge of bankruptcy, spending on necessities adds to their debt. But in the long run cutting out wasteful spending is what reduces their debt.

Necessities like handing out tax cuts left and right? Or a 15% increase in defense spending (despite the fact that the President has promised that we'll be pulling back from foreign conflicts)? I'd consider that more wasteful than over-providing healthcare to people who you think don't deserve it.

 

[ozso]

Yes, DOGE did such a great job that Speakker Johnson will soon be asking to lift the debt limit by how much?

IDK, you tell me. Has DOGE closed shop already?

 

[Postvieww]

Is Senator Tillis a leftist?

If I say what Tillis actually is would put me in violation of forum rules.

 

[Postvieww]

Necessities like handing out tax cuts left and right? Or a 15% increase in defense spending (despite the fact that the President has promised that we'll be pulling back from foreign conflicts)? I'd consider that more wasteful than over-providing healthcare to people who you think don't deserve it.

If you are not concerned with what DOGE found your concern with defense spending rings hollow.

 

[wing2000]

If I say what Tillis actually is would put me in violation of forum rules.

...so is he a leftist or simply disloyal to the party line?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Yes, DOGE did such a great job that Speakker Johnson will soon be asking to lift the debt limit by how much?

$5,000,000,000,000.00 vote pending

 

[wing2000]

Wasteful spending? Great to see Texas' Senators adding their pork....

President Donald Trump’s massive tax and immigration bill passed the Senate on Tuesday with language effectively ordering the shuttle’s move to Texas. It would set aside $85 million to transport Discovery and construct a home for it at Space Center Houston, the official visitor center for NASA’s Johnson Space Center — which itself oversaw more than 100 shuttle launches over two decades.

But the Smithsonian, which has housed the shuttle at its Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center in Northern Virginia since 2012, estimated that the true cost would be north of $300 million. That includes the cost of the transfer, the new facility to house it, prep for an alternative museum display at the Smithsonian and other related costs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/07/03/space-shuttle-texas-smithsonian-congress/

 

[Belk]

Spending on necessities isn't what leads to bankruptcy. Wasteful spending is what leads to bankruptcy. When someone is on the verge of bankruptcy, spending on necessities adds to their debt. But in the long run cutting out wasteful spending is what reduces their debt.

That does not hold water. Simply because you categorize the spending in a certain fashion does not magically produce the revenue to fund it. If we bring in 100 million in taxes and spend 75 million on defense and 75 million on critical infrastructure we are eventually going to go bankrupt no matter how necessary to spending is.

 

[Pommer]

If you are not concerned with what DOGE found your concern with defense spending rings hollow.

What was it that “DOGE found”?
Please be specific.

 

[Postvieww]

What was it that “DOGE found”?
Please be specific.

Government Waste Tracker:

• $22,600,000,000 (HHS) – Aiding illegal migrants through resettlementprograms, home and car purchases, and loans
• $7,500,000,000 (DOT) – Funding a few dozen electric vehicle stationsacross the nation
• $7,000,000,000 (EPA) – Funding green energy projects that reduce greenhouse gases and promoting the adoption of green alternatives nationwide
• $5,000,000,000 (EPA) - Funding green energy projects that reduce gas emissions and supporting green banks
• $2,000,000,000 (EPA) – Funding projects to decarbonize American housing to reduce greenhouse gas emissions
• $382,000,000 (DOL) – Issuing fraudulent unemployment payments to tens of thousands of individuals, including those with birthdates in the future, infants, and people listed as 115 years old
• $312,000,000 (SBA) – Providing business loans for children 11 years old and under
• $59,000,000 (FEMA) – Supplying services and housing for illegal immigrants in New York City
• $46,500,000 (DOS) – Funding projects to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in Brazil
• $43,300,000 (USAID) – Supporting programs to build an inclusive and capable workforce, with a special emphasis on public health and climate change sectors in Egypt
• $35,900,000 (USAID) – Funding positive youth experience in Gaza
• $31,000,000 (USAID) – Supporting the transition to clean energy with energy supplies in Europe and Eurasia
• $26,300,000 (USAID) – Supporting higher education in Egypt
• $24,000,000 (USAID) – Promoting “resilient livelihoods” in Gaza
• $17,500,000 (USAID) - Supporting male circumcision and condom programs
• $17,300,000 (USAID) – Providing the Diversity and Inclusion ScholarshipProgram to students in Burma
• $13,200,000 (USAID) – Supporting biodiversity programs in Liberia
• $12,200,000 (DOL) – Promoting worker empowerment in South America
• $11,000,000 (USAID) – Producing the Middle Eastern version of Sesame Street in Iraq
• $10,300,000 (USAID) – Supporting male circumcision programs in Mozambique
• $9,000,000 (USAID) – Stolen humanitarian aid by Al-Qaida-affiliated terrorists
• $8,300,000 (USAID) – Building worker power for equity and justice
• $8,300,000 (USAID) – Funding USAID education on equity and inclusion
• $8,000,000 (EPA) – Funding an organization to address environmental and energy justice issues
• $6,200,000 (NIH) – Studying the effects of asthma on transgender individuals in the U.S.
• $6,000,000 (DOD) – Funding the University of Montana to “strengthen American democracy by bridging divides”
• $6,000,000 (DOD) – Funding a grant to decarbonize emissions from Navy ships
• $5,900,000 (NIH) – Funding for a TransHealthGUIDE for gender-diverse young adults
• $5,700,000 (DOS) – Supporting programs for LGBTQ+ individuals in Latin America and the Caribbean
• $5,200,000 (DOD) – Funding a grant to diversify the Navy
• $5,100,000 (NIH) – Testing the effects of cross-sex hormone therapy on transgender individuals in the U.S.
• $4,900,000 (USAID) – Funding youth programs with a focus on reproductive health and the intersection of youth and gender equity
• $4,700,000 (DOL) – Promoting international labor standards in Ecuador
• $4,000,000 (EPA) – Building a one-room museum inside the EPA
• $3,500,000 (DOD) – Supporting DEI groups through the Defense Human Resources Activity
• $3,300,000 (DOD) – Unionized health workers in the Department of Defense’s Defense Health Agency spent $3,300,000 and 87,000 hours doing union-related work instead of their federal jobs
• $2,900,000 (NIH) – Studying HIV prevention for transgender women and their male partners
• $2,500,000 (NIH) – Studying the impact of structural racism on the health of older gay men
• $2,500,000 (USAID) – Supporting green energy businesses in Vietnam
• $2,000,000 (USAID) – Supporting gender-affirming healthcare and LGBTQ+ advocacy in Guatemala
• $1,900,000 (DOD) – Providing holistic diversity, equity, and inclusion transformation and training for the Air Force
• $1,600,000 (NIH) – Testing the reproductive health of transgender individuals in the U.S.
• $1,600,000 (DOD) – Funding a University of Florida study on the "social and institutional detriments of vulnerability and resilience to climate hazards in [the] African Sahel."
• $1,500,000 (USAID) – Promoting DEI business policies and LGBTQ+ entrepreneurship in Serbia
• $1,200,000 (USAID) – Funding choice, equity, and sustainability programs
• $910,000 (NIH) – Testing the effects of “gender-affirming” hormone therapy on the immune system in the U.S.
• $900,000 (IAF) – Supporting alpaca farming in Peru
• $755,000 (NIH) – Testing the effects of “gender-affirming” hormone therapy on bone development in the U.S.
• $731,000 (IAF) – Improving the commercial viability of mushroom and pea farming in Guatemala
• $677,000 (IAF) – Promoting fruit and jam sales in Honduras
• $600,000 (USDA) – Supporting a study on the menstrual cycles in transgender men
• $599,000 (NIH) – Testing the risk of breast cancer for transgender men in the U.S.
• $483,000 (IAF) – Supporting the production of artisanal salt in Ecuador
• $400,000 (DOS) – Supporting LGBTQ+ sensitivity trainings for police forces in Nigeria
• $374,000 (USDA) – Hiring a DEI onboarding specialist at the USDA
• $325,000 (HHS) – Adapting LGB+ teen pregnancy prevention program for transgender boys
• $323,000 (IAF) – Promoting cultural support for Venezuelan migrants in Brazil
• $300,000 (DOS) – Promoting acceptance for LGBTQ+ people in Botswana
• $298,000 (USDA) – Promoting international development for underrepresented communities
• $246,000 (USADF) _ Funding mango drying facilities in the Republic of Côte d'Ivoire
• $239,000 (USADF) – Promoting pineapple juice in Benin
• $229,000 (USDA) – Hiring a Brazilian forest and gender consultant at the USDA
• $229,000 (USADF) – Funding the promotion of 100% organic shea butter in Burkina Faso
• $209,000 (DOS) – Funding an international study trip on LGBTQ+ advocacy
• $185,000 (DOS) – Promoting the empowerment of lesbian and bisexual women in Belize
• $99,500 (USADF) – Supporting increased production of yogurt in Uganda
• $84,000 (USADF) – Supporting a business incubator for spa and wellness entrepreneurs in Nigeria
• $70,000 (DOS) – Producing a DEI music event in Ireland
• $68,000 (DOS) – Funding dance class workshops in China
• $32,000 (DOS) – Creating an LGBTQ+ comic book in Peru
• $29,000 (USDA) – Hiring a Central American gender assessment consultant at the USDA
• $25,000 (DOS) – Funding a transgender opera in Colombia

 

[Postvieww]

Nice try. I suppose you don't want to comment on the Medicaid cuts which will hurt families in red and blue states...

Since you brought it up why don’t you post the text of the part of the bill you are referencing?

 

[wing2000]

Since you brought it up why don’t you post the text of the part of the bill you are referencing?

I'm not even sure where to find the Bill that the House is about to vote on.

Anyway, instead of playing along with your goose chase, I'll just leave this:

Medicaid Watch | KFF

KFF policy research, polling, and news about the Medicaid financing debate.

www.kff.org

 

[ozso]

That does not hold water. Simply because you categorize the spending in a certain fashion does not magically produce the revenue to fund it. If we bring in 100 million in taxes and spend 75 million on defense and 75 million on critical infrastructure we are eventually going to go bankrupt no matter how necessary to spending is.

You're adding in factors that weren't on the table. It's like I said to start a car you put the key in the ignition, and you come up with yeah but what if you lose the key, or it breaks, or the solenoid shorts out.

 

[SimplyMe]

Wasteful spending? Great to see Texas' Senators adding their pork....

President Donald Trump’s massive tax and immigration bill passed the Senate on Tuesday with language effectively ordering the shuttle’s move to Texas. It would set aside $85 million to transport Discovery and construct a home for it at Space Center Houston, the official visitor center for NASA’s Johnson Space Center — which itself oversaw more than 100 shuttle launches over two decades.

But the Smithsonian, which has housed the shuttle at its Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center in Northern Virginia since 2012, estimated that the true cost would be north of $300 million. That includes the cost of the transfer, the new facility to house it, prep for an alternative museum display at the Smithsonian and other related costs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/07/03/space-shuttle-texas-smithsonian-congress/

It is worth pointing out that Space Center Houston already has a shuttle, the Independence, though it is a version built in 1993 built for being put on display at the Kennedy Space Center (so doesn't have the electronics, etc.). What makes it interesting is that it sits on top of one of the 747s, NASA 905, that used to transport the shuttle around the country (largely used to transport the shuttle after landing in California to Florida for launch).

 

[Postvieww]

Anyway, instead of playing along with your goose chase,

Goose chase when I ask for evidence????? I am constantly ask for proof from liberals. If you don’t know the text your commentary is of no value here.

 

[Belk]

You're adding in factors that weren't on the table. It's like I said to start a car you put the key in the ignition, and you come up with yeah but what if you lose the key, or it breaks, or the solenoid shorts out.

No I am not. I'm pointing out that your claims do not comport with reality. It is entirely possible to go bankrupt just spending on necessities.

 

[ozso]

No I am not. I'm pointing out that your claims do not comport with reality. It is entirely possible to go bankrupt just spending on necessities.

If the cost of necessities exceed income then bankruptcy becomes moot. But that's not a platform I was working with. It's something that was added as another goal post move.

 

[Belk]

If the cost of necessities exceed income then bankruptcy becomes moot. But that's not a platform I was working with. It's something that was added as another goal post move.

Apparently dealing with reality is a goal post move to you.

 

[Pommer]

Government Waste Tracker:

• $22,600,000,000 (HHS) – Aiding illegal migrants through resettlementprograms, home and car purchases, and loans
• $7,500,000,000 (DOT) – Funding a few dozen electric vehicle stationsacross the nation
• $7,000,000,000 (EPA) – Funding green energy projects that reduce greenhouse gases and promoting the adoption of green alternatives nationwide
• $5,000,000,000 (EPA) - Funding green energy projects that reduce gas emissions and supporting green banks
• $2,000,000,000 (EPA) – Funding projects to decarbonize American housing to reduce greenhouse gas emissions
• $382,000,000 (DOL) – Issuing fraudulent unemployment payments to tens of thousands of individuals, including those with birthdates in the future, infants, and people listed as 115 years old
• $312,000,000 (SBA) – Providing business loans for children 11 years old and under
• $59,000,000 (FEMA) – Supplying services and housing for illegal immigrants in New York City
• $46,500,000 (DOS) – Funding projects to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in Brazil
• $43,300,000 (USAID) – Supporting programs to build an inclusive and capable workforce, with a special emphasis on public health and climate change sectors in Egypt
• $35,900,000 (USAID) – Funding positive youth experience in Gaza
• $31,000,000 (USAID) – Supporting the transition to clean energy with energy supplies in Europe and Eurasia
• $26,300,000 (USAID) – Supporting higher education in Egypt
• $24,000,000 (USAID) – Promoting “resilient livelihoods” in Gaza
• $17,500,000 (USAID) - Supporting male circumcision and condom programs
• $17,300,000 (USAID) – Providing the Diversity and Inclusion ScholarshipProgram to students in Burma
• $13,200,000 (USAID) – Supporting biodiversity programs in Liberia
• $12,200,000 (DOL) – Promoting worker empowerment in South America
• $11,000,000 (USAID) – Producing the Middle Eastern version of Sesame Street in Iraq
• $10,300,000 (USAID) – Supporting male circumcision programs in Mozambique
• $9,000,000 (USAID) – Stolen humanitarian aid by Al-Qaida-affiliated terrorists
• $8,300,000 (USAID) – Building worker power for equity and justice
• $8,300,000 (USAID) – Funding USAID education on equity and inclusion
• $8,000,000 (EPA) – Funding an organization to address environmental and energy justice issues
• $6,200,000 (NIH) – Studying the effects of asthma on transgender individuals in the U.S.
• $6,000,000 (DOD) – Funding the University of Montana to “strengthen American democracy by bridging divides”
• $6,000,000 (DOD) – Funding a grant to decarbonize emissions from Navy ships
• $5,900,000 (NIH) – Funding for a TransHealthGUIDE for gender-diverse young adults
• $5,700,000 (DOS) – Supporting programs for LGBTQ+ individuals in Latin America and the Caribbean
• $5,200,000 (DOD) – Funding a grant to diversify the Navy
• $5,100,000 (NIH) – Testing the effects of cross-sex hormone therapy on transgender individuals in the U.S.
• $4,900,000 (USAID) – Funding youth programs with a focus on reproductive health and the intersection of youth and gender equity
• $4,700,000 (DOL) – Promoting international labor standards in Ecuador
• $4,000,000 (EPA) – Building a one-room museum inside the EPA
• $3,500,000 (DOD) – Supporting DEI groups through the Defense Human Resources Activity
• $3,300,000 (DOD) – Unionized health workers in the Department of Defense’s Defense Health Agency spent $3,300,000 and 87,000 hours doing union-related work instead of their federal jobs
• $2,900,000 (NIH) – Studying HIV prevention for transgender women and their male partners
• $2,500,000 (NIH) – Studying the impact of structural racism on the health of older gay men
• $2,500,000 (USAID) – Supporting green energy businesses in Vietnam
• $2,000,000 (USAID) – Supporting gender-affirming healthcare and LGBTQ+ advocacy in Guatemala
• $1,900,000 (DOD) – Providing holistic diversity, equity, and inclusion transformation and training for the Air Force
• $1,600,000 (NIH) – Testing the reproductive health of transgender individuals in the U.S.
• $1,600,000 (DOD) – Funding a University of Florida study on the "social and institutional detriments of vulnerability and resilience to climate hazards in [the] African Sahel."
• $1,500,000 (USAID) – Promoting DEI business policies and LGBTQ+ entrepreneurship in Serbia
• $1,200,000 (USAID) – Funding choice, equity, and sustainability programs
• $910,000 (NIH) – Testing the effects of “gender-affirming” hormone therapy on the immune system in the U.S.
• $900,000 (IAF) – Supporting alpaca farming in Peru
• $755,000 (NIH) – Testing the effects of “gender-affirming” hormone therapy on bone development in the U.S.
• $731,000 (IAF) – Improving the commercial viability of mushroom and pea farming in Guatemala
• $677,000 (IAF) – Promoting fruit and jam sales in Honduras
• $600,000 (USDA) – Supporting a study on the menstrual cycles in transgender men
• $599,000 (NIH) – Testing the risk of breast cancer for transgender men in the U.S.
• $483,000 (IAF) – Supporting the production of artisanal salt in Ecuador
• $400,000 (DOS) – Supporting LGBTQ+ sensitivity trainings for police forces in Nigeria
• $374,000 (USDA) – Hiring a DEI onboarding specialist at the USDA
• $325,000 (HHS) – Adapting LGB+ teen pregnancy prevention program for transgender boys
• $323,000 (IAF) – Promoting cultural support for Venezuelan migrants in Brazil
• $300,000 (DOS) – Promoting acceptance for LGBTQ+ people in Botswana
• $298,000 (USDA) – Promoting international development for underrepresented communities
• $246,000 (USADF) _ Funding mango drying facilities in the Republic of Côte d'Ivoire
• $239,000 (USADF) – Promoting pineapple juice in Benin
• $229,000 (USDA) – Hiring a Brazilian forest and gender consultant at the USDA
• $229,000 (USADF) – Funding the promotion of 100% organic shea butter in Burkina Faso
• $209,000 (DOS) – Funding an international study trip on LGBTQ+ advocacy
• $185,000 (DOS) – Promoting the empowerment of lesbian and bisexual women in Belize
• $99,500 (USADF) – Supporting increased production of yogurt in Uganda
• $84,000 (USADF) – Supporting a business incubator for spa and wellness entrepreneurs in Nigeria
• $70,000 (DOS) – Producing a DEI music event in Ireland
• $68,000 (DOS) – Funding dance class workshops in China
• $32,000 (DOS) – Creating an LGBTQ+ comic book in Peru
• $29,000 (USDA) – Hiring a Central American gender assessment consultant at the USDA
• $25,000 (DOS) – Funding a transgender opera in Colombia

“Waste“ is in the eye of the beholder

 

[wing2000]

Goose chase when I ask for evidence????? I am constantly ask for proof from liberals. If you don’t know the text your commentary is of no value here.

I cited evidence. You just chose not to read it.

Have a nice day.