California Bill Would Prohibit ICE Officers From Wearing Masks in the State

[Always in His Presence]

Correct. These agents are all armed and well trained. If doing their job is too dangerous for them, that isn’t my problem. Pick another career.

That is accurate. Their safety is their problem. Californians’ safety in dealing with these federal agents is my problem.

And their children?

There is no vandalizing or looting going on.

You should tell your Mayor she is wrong

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[Hentenza]

Surely there is some middle ground between secret police snatching people from streets, schools and factories and publishing names and addresses. When an agent for the FBI or ICE is working undercover, don't they show their faces? The point is that they are unknown, not masked.

There is no secret police.

Personal insults are bad arguments.

I did not make an argument just simply stated an opinion.

That's just it, with their faces and badges covered, they could be anyone including fake police. Even those who speak English don't know who they are, only what they represent - authoritarian power.

There is no fake police just political drama by the left.

 

[BPPLEE]

Local police don’t hide their faces. Sheriffs don’t wear masks and CHP don’t either. It’s a part of building trust with the community you’re policing. People proud of the work they do don’t cover their faces. These ICE agents are only wearing masks to hide the shame of what they’re doing and to avoid the inevitable civil rights lawsuits that will be coming out of this whole mess.

Officers who work undercover often cover their faces during search warrants and when arresting perpetrators

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Officers who work undercover often cover their faces during search warrants and when arresting perpetrators

Do they normally kidnap people right off the street into a completely unmarked civilian car? Because that’s what’s happening here and it’s only a matter of time until someone defends themselves with deadly force.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

And their children?

Not my kids. Not my problem.

You should tell your Mayor she is wrong

Believe me, we do all the time. I’m wondering why you believe her.

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[Hentenza]

Do they normally kidnap people right off the street into a completely unmarked civilian car? Because that’s what’s happening here and it’s only a matter of time until someone defends themselves with deadly force.

Oh no, ICE is “kidnapping” illegal immigrants for immigration crimes.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Oh no, ICE is “kidnapping” illegal immigrants for immigration crimes.

No, they’re taking anyone and hassling and arresting US citizens. Violating their constitutional rights.

And even undocumented immigrants have the right not to be kidnapped by unknown assailants.

 

[Hentenza]

No, they’re taking anyone and hassling and arresting US citizens. Violating their constitutional rights.

And even undocumented immigrants have the right not to be kidnapped by unknown assailants.

Political drama.

 

[BCP1928]

Political drama.

That's exactly what it is--deportation theater.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

So, out of curiosity, what exact reason would a protestor need to be able to see an ICE agents face if not for reasons of doxxing and intimidation?

 

[BCP1928]

So, out of curiosity, what exact reason would a protestor need to be able to see an ICE agents face if not for reasons of doxxing and intimidation?

We're not talking about protesters. An ordinary LEO is not allowed to randomly stop people on the street and demand to see their identification or to cuff them and rough them up while they wait for the ID to be checked out. Unidentified individuals armed and masked doing it deserve doxxing.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Officers who work undercover often cover their faces during search warrants and when arresting perpetrators

What fool is sending undercover ICE agents to raid Home Depots and make arrests at federal court houses?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

We're not talking about protesters. An ordinary LEO is not allowed to randomly stop people on the street and demand to see their identification or to cuff them and rough them up while they wait for the ID to be checked out. Unidentified individuals armed and masked doing it deserve doxxing.

These aren't ordinary LEOs.

Ordinary LEOs aren't allowed to do a lot of things that more specialized agencies do.


The IRS stands out as an example of a federal agency that can do things other types of agencies can't

IRS (Internal Revenue Service) Summons Power: The Use of Civil Process for Criminal Purposes | Office of Justice Programs

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Internal Revenue Service - Duties And Powers

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The IRS has the legal authority to order banks, employers, and other institutions to provide information about a taxpayer without having to obtain a warrant from a judge; other law enforcement agencies.

The target of an IRS investigation also has to prove that the IRS didn't have a reason to go snooping (basically having to prove a negative -- nearly insurmountable considering that obtaining discovery from the IRS on cases is basically impossible)


So, while we're in the process of reigning in the powers of ICE, should we kill two birds with one stone and word this new legislation in a way that reigns in the powers of the IRS as well? Like if they suspect that a rich oil man in Texas is cheating on his taxes via taking certain deductions or claiming to make certain donations, they have to get a warrant from a Texas judge before they can pull his records, and then disclose everything they think they have on him to the rich guy's lawyer before the case moves forward?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Believe me, we do all the time. I’m wondering why you believe her.

uh, because I believe my eyes when she presents video evidence to back it up. You did not even look at the link did you?

kidnapped by unknown assailants.

ok - let's look at a picture of the 'unknown assailants" and the newest byline - undercover officers.

 

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[BCP1928]

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Wow, those guys look tough and scary. All the illegal busboys and grape pickers better just run.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Local police don’t hide their faces. Sheriffs don’t wear masks and CHP don’t either. It’s a part of building trust with the community you’re policing. People proud of the work they do don’t cover their faces. These ICE agents are only wearing masks to hide the shame of what they’re doing and to avoid the inevitable civil rights lawsuits that will be coming out of this whole mess.

"The community"? You're talking about these locusts as if they were human beings.

So long as ICE is running "ops" againsts shape-ups at home improvement stores, immigration court dates, schools, and restaurants, the PD probably has a higher likelihood of running into a cartel connected person.

By quite a large margin, I'd imagine. Cartel folks might lay low, but street gangs, who'd have many of the same incentives, aren't especially hard to come by in larger cities.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

So, out of curiosity, what exact reason would a protestor need to be able to see an ICE agents face if not for reasons of doxxing and intimidation?

Nobody is talking about protesters here and they aren’t the ones interacting with ICE agents. The LAPD and local law enforcement are handling protesters and they don’t cover their faces.

People, American citizens are being stopped, hassled and arrested by armed, masked men operating out of completely unmarked civilian vehicles, not announcing themselves as law enforcement. This is a recipe for disaster when we just had a man impersonating an officer go and kill two democratic lawmakers a few days ago.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

These aren't ordinary LEOs.

Ordinary LEOs aren't allowed to do a lot of things that more specialized agencies do.


The IRS stands out as an example of a federal agency that can do things other types of agencies can't

IRS (Internal Revenue Service) Summons Power: The Use of Civil Process for Criminal Purposes | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

Internal Revenue Service - Duties And Powers

law.jrank.org

The IRS has the legal authority to order banks, employers, and other institutions to provide information about a taxpayer without having to obtain a warrant from a judge; other law enforcement agencies.

The target of an IRS investigation also has to prove that the IRS didn't have a reason to go snooping (basically having to prove a negative -- nearly insurmountable considering that obtaining discovery from the IRS on cases is basically impossible)


So, while we're in the process of reigning in the powers of ICE, should we kill two birds with one stone and word this new legislation in a way that reigns in the powers of the IRS as well? Like if they suspect that a rich oil man in Texas is cheating on his taxes via taking certain deductions or claiming to make certain donations, they have to get a warrant from a Texas judge before they can pull his records, and then disclose everything they think they have on him to the rich guy's lawyer before the case moves forward?

Why not just stick to the topic of the thread?

 

[BCP1928]

These aren't ordinary LEOs.

Ordinary LEOs aren't allowed to do a lot of things that more specialized agencies do.


The IRS stands out as an example of a federal agency that can do things other types of agencies can't

Who does the "allowing?" The President and Noem have declared that the mission of ICE has moved beyond illegal immigrants and now will be directed at liberating US cities from socialism. So it's an important question.