How can God be ok with most people going to hell?

[setst777]

I see you don't understand the ages of God, it has nothing to do with the pagan idea of reincarnation.
If you would look into the Greek word aion it means age and God uses the ages to work out his plan for the cosmos.
Adam to Noah was an age, God worked with them in that age different than the next. Noah
Noah to Abraham was an age they were under another set of instructions.
Abraham to Moses till Jesus the age of law was different yet again. ( progressive revelation)
Jesus first coming till the second coming the age of grace, our current age.
Next to come is the millennium when Jesus will rule on earth from Jerusalem for 1000 years.
After that there are still ages to come, but God has not told us much, just that there will be a new heaven and earth, and the old will pass away and behold ALL THINGS WILL BE NEW.
Until you understand the ages the mystery of the Gospel will remain just that a mystery, some still think like the Jews of old who missed and did not know God and will remain in the idea of , us and them, who is in and who is out, and all will scurry around like mice mice finding cheese nuggets and not understanding the very one who made them and the cheese.

In all the ages you mentioned (except for the eternal state of being that comes before the Judgment but after the Millennial Reign of Lord Jesus on earth) people do not come back to life to get another chance. In every age, people die once and await the resurrection of the just and the unjust to receive eternal life or eternal condemnation.

There is no other age where people get another chance, rather, the Judgment is described as FINAL.

Hebrews 9:27 It is appointed unto men once to die, but after that the judgment

Daniel 12:13 (WEB) “But go your way until the end; for you will rest, and will stand in your inheritance at the end of the days.”

John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son may have eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath {{{remains}}} on them.

Philippians 3:18-19 (WEB) 18 For many walk, of whom I told you often, and now tell you even weeping, as the enemies of the cross of Christ, 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is the belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who think about earthly things.

Destruction
Meaning: destruction, ruin, loss, perishing; eternal ruin.

No matter what age, everyone dies, and will await the resurrection of the just and the unjust. There is no other judgment or second chances. The Scriptures explain this judgment as final.

Acts 24:14 I believe all things which are in the law and in the prophets; 15 having hope toward God, which these also themselves look for, that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

John 5:28-29 (WEB) 28 Don’t marvel at this, for the hour comes in which all who are in the tombs will hear his voice, 29 and will come out; those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.

The "just" will be resurrected to eternal life.

The "unjust" will be resurrected to be judged by their works, and will receive eternal punishment, cast into Outer Darkness (Matthew 22:13), the Second Death (Revelation 21:8), the Lake of Fire, and will not rest day or night, but will be tormented forever and ever (Revelation 14:11).

The phrase "forever and ever" is used 47 times in the Bible (OT and NT), and all of them mean, "without end."

Matthew 25:45-46 (WEB) 45 “Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Most certainly I tell you, because you didn’t do it to one of the least of these, you didn’t do it to me.’ 46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Daniel 12:2 (WEB) 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting (‘ō-w-lām) life, and some to shame and everlasting (‘ō-w-lām) contempt.

Luke 13:25-28 (WEB) 25 When once the master of the house has risen up and has shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ then he will answer and tell you, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 He will say, ‘I tell you, I don’t know where you come from. Depart from me, all you workers of iniquity.’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in God’s Kingdom, and yourselves being thrown outside.

Matthew 25:10-13 (WEB) 10 While they went away to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast, and the door was shut. 11 Afterward the other virgins also came, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us.’ 12 But he answered, ‘Most certainly I tell you, I don’t know you.’ 13 Watch therefore, for you don’t know the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

Hebrews 6:1-2 (WEB) Therefore leaving the teaching of the first principles of Christ, let’s press on to perfection—not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works, of faith toward God, 2 of the teaching of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

There are absolutely no Scriptures that teach there is another chance after the Judgment of the resurrected unjust.

There are many Scriptures, as I have shown, that teach about a judgment to come, and is explained as a final judgment - no other chances.

Revelation 14:11 (WEB) 11 The smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. They have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.

Once again, the phrase "forever and ever" is used 47 times in the Bible (OT and NT), and all of them mean, "without end."

Revelation 20:14-15 (WEB) 14 Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8 (WEB) 8 But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Grace is offered once by God in this life. AFTER this life is the Judgment.

Hebrews 9:27 (KJV) 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment

 

[Jeff Saunders]

In all the ages you mentioned (except for the eternal state of being that comes before the Judgment but after the Millennial Reign of Lord Jesus on earth) people do not come back to life to get another chance. In every age, people die once and await the resurrection of the just and the unjust to receive eternal life or eternal condemnation.

There is no other age where people get another chance, rather, the Judgment is described as FINAL.

Hebrews 9:27 It is appointed unto men once to die, but after that the judgment

Daniel 12:13 (WEB) “But go your way until the end; for you will rest, and will stand in your inheritance at the end of the days.”

John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son may have eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath {{{remains}}} on them.

Philippians 3:18-19 (WEB) 18 For many walk, of whom I told you often, and now tell you even weeping, as the enemies of the cross of Christ, 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is the belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who think about earthly things.

Destruction
Meaning: destruction, ruin, loss, perishing; eternal ruin.

No matter what age, everyone dies, and will await the resurrection of the just and the unjust. There is no other judgment or second chances. The Scriptures explain this judgment as final.

Acts 24:14 I believe all things which are in the law and in the prophets; 15 having hope toward God, which these also themselves look for, that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

John 5:28-29 (WEB) 28 Don’t marvel at this, for the hour comes in which all who are in the tombs will hear his voice, 29 and will come out; those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.

The "just" will be resurrected to eternal life.

The "unjust" will be resurrected to be judged by their works, and will receive eternal punishment, cast into Outer Darkness (Matthew 22:13), the Second Death (Revelation 21:8), the Lake of Fire, and will not rest day or night, but will be tormented forever and ever (Revelation 14:11).

The phrase "forever and ever" is used 47 times in the Bible (OT and NT), and all of them mean, "without end."

Matthew 25:45-46 (WEB) 45 “Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Most certainly I tell you, because you didn’t do it to one of the least of these, you didn’t do it to me.’ 46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Daniel 12:2 (WEB) 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting (‘ō-w-lām) life, and some to shame and everlasting (‘ō-w-lām) contempt.

Luke 13:25-28 (WEB) 25 When once the master of the house has risen up and has shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ then he will answer and tell you, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 He will say, ‘I tell you, I don’t know where you come from. Depart from me, all you workers of iniquity.’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in God’s Kingdom, and yourselves being thrown outside.

Matthew 25:10-13 (WEB) 10 While they went away to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast, and the door was shut. 11 Afterward the other virgins also came, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us.’ 12 But he answered, ‘Most certainly I tell you, I don’t know you.’ 13 Watch therefore, for you don’t know the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

Hebrews 6:1-2 (WEB) Therefore leaving the teaching of the first principles of Christ, let’s press on to perfection—not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works, of faith toward God, 2 of the teaching of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

There are absolutely no Scriptures that teach there is another chance after the Judgment of the resurrected unjust.

There are many Scriptures, as I have shown, that teach about a judgment to come, and is explained as a final judgment - no other chances.

Revelation 14:11 (WEB) 11 The smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. They have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.

Once again, the phrase "forever and ever" is used 47 times in the Bible (OT and NT), and all of them mean, "without end."

Revelation 20:14-15 (WEB) 14 Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8 (WEB) 8 But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Grace is offered once by God in this life. AFTER this life is the Judgment.

Hebrews 9:27 (KJV) 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment

I don't use the same Greek to English translation you use , so we are like talking in different languages. When you say like in Mat 25: you say the translation is eternal punishment, but I use the Greek translation from the early church which translated this verse as aionios kolasis which is, kolasis which is a term taken from arborist uses means to prune or to dock, its removing whatever is holding something back from producing fruit as it should be. This word came to be seen as punishment because the middle age church thought you could punish the bad out of people. The word aionios is the adjective form of aion, which is the word we get age or eon from, it has a beginning and and end. Sp properly translated it means , the correction of the age, not eternal punishment, that was from the Gnostics who believed only a few would go to heaven, those with special knowledge( sounds familiar ) and the rest get burned forever, Why do you think the early Church fought so hard against the Gnostics, yet in many churches this is still taught.

 

[setst777]

I don't use the same Greek to English translation you use , so we are like talking in different languages. When you say like in Mat 25: you say the translation is eternal punishment, but I use the Greek translation from the early church which translated this verse as aionios kolasis which is, kolasis which is a term taken from arborist uses means to prune or to dock, its removing whatever is holding something back from producing fruit as it should be. This word came to be seen as punishment because the middle age church thought you could punish the bad out of people. The word aionios is the adjective form of aion, which is the word we get age or eon from, it has a beginning and and end. Sp properly translated it means , the correction of the age, not eternal punishment, that was from the Gnostics who believed only a few would go to heaven, those with special knowledge( sounds familiar ) and the rest get burned forever, Why do you think the early Church fought so hard against the Gnostics, yet in many churches this is still taught.

You are going in circles and making up your own evidence. Go your way now. After this life is the Judgment and, like the five virgins who did not bring enough oil, all those who think they have more ages to be saved will be in for a rude awakening and a really bad sunburn when they find themselves resurrected and judged, and then thrown into the Lake of Fire under the eternal wrath of God's discipline forever and ever; and no one will be able to pay enough to undo their sins.

Matthew 5:20, 26 (WEB) 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. . . 26 Most assuredly, you shall by no means get out of there until you have paid the last penny.

Matthew 18:2 (WEB) Unless you turn and become as little children, you will in no way enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Galatians 5:19-20 (WEB) 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are obvious, which are: adultery, sexual immorality, uncleanness, lustfulness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, strife, jealousies, outbursts of anger, rivalries, divisions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these; of which I have repeatedly warned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom.

Ephesians 5:5 (WEB) Know this for sure, that no sexually immoral person, nor unclean person, nor covetous man (who is an idolater), has any inheritance in the Kingdom of Christ and God.

Revelation 14:11 (WEB) 11 The smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. They have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.

Once again, the phrase "forever and ever" is used 47 times in the Bible (OT/NT), and all of them mean, "without end," which is obvious by the context.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

I think you are doing the same thing that the Jews did, they knew scripture backwards and forwards but still did not know God. I think you are doing the 2 Cor 3:6 " the letter kills but the Spirit brings life," unless scripture points you to God and who he is, all the scripture in the world will only bring death, and that is exactly what the Church is teaching death not life. God is the God of life not death, and scripture tells us that God will reconcile all things to himself, into life, that's Gods heart and he will do it. Isa 14:24 " Just as I have intended so it will be, just as I have planned it will happen"
Jer 32:27 " I am Yahweh, God of all flesh, is anything too difficult for me?
Phil2:10-11/Rom 14:11/ Isa 45:23 "every knee will bow and every tongue will confess"
1 Tim 2:3-6 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our savior, who will have ALL men to be saved, and come into the knowledge of the truth. ( This is what I am trying to speak into you the truth, John 4:42 Jesus is the Christ, the savior of the cosmos. not the potential savior if man gets things correct while in the fallen mortal body)
God is love, life and light and in him is no darkness(death)
1Cor 15:28 " and, when all things have been subordinated to him, then the Son himself also be subordinated to the one who has subordinated all things to him, so that God may be ALL IN ALL " this is the telos of the gospel, that in the end God will be all in all, but we are still in creation and we do not see this yet, but it will happen.
We have a choice either we believe the father of lies and death or we believe in the God of love and life and light,
1 Cor 13:1-2 " If I speak in the tongues of human beings and of the angels, but do not have love(God), I have become a resounding brass and a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophecy and know all mysteries and all the knowledge, and if I have all faith, of such a sort as to remove mountains, but do not have love (God) I am nothing." We can quote bible verses for all eternity but if we do not know God it is all for nothing.

 

[Muhan]

How can God be ok with most people going to hell?​

Because He created them.

 

[Free2bHeretical4Him!]

How can God be ok with most people going to hell?​

Because He created them.

… in HIS image. You left out that part. So God has no problem torturing those who bear HIS own image? Just something to think about it …

Blessings

 

[BeyondET]

… in HIS image. You left out that part. So God has no problem torturing those who bear HIS own image? Just something to think about it …

Blessings

His image isn't being tortured.

Romans 1:23
and they changed the glory of the immortal God into a likeness of an image of mortal man and birds and quadrupeds and creeping things.

And most people are of the likeness and image of Adam.

Genesis 5:3
When Adam was 130 years old, he had a son in his own likeness, after his own image; and he named him Seth.

 

[Muhan]

… in HIS image. You left out that part. So God has no problem torturing those who bear HIS own image? Just something to think about it …

Blessings

Mankind lost his image
when they became unholy.

I don't need to think about anything
The Spirit of God are my thoughts.

 

[Free2bHeretical4Him!]

His image isn't being tortured.

Romans 1:23
and they changed the glory of the immortal God into a likeness of an image of mortal man and birds and quadrupeds and creeping things.

It’s not talking about our image and glory but changing God’s image and glory. We don’t change our image as His image bearers.

 

[Free2bHeretical4Him!]

Mankind lost his image
when they became unholy.

I don't need to think about anything
The Spirit of God are my thoughts.

Ok

 

[Muhan]

Ok

Holy is the image of God. If you are made in the image of God you are holy.
To be born again is to be born in the image of God.

 

[BeyondET]

It’s not talking about our image and glory but changing God’s image and glory. We don’t change our image as His image bearers.

Humans from Seth on, do not bear His likeness and image. God's likeness and image isn't doomed to be tortured forever.

Genesis 5:3
When Adam was 130 years old, he had a son in his own likeness, after his own image; and he named him Seth.

 

[Postvieww]

So my question is, how is God ok with this?

He is not!

Why did He allow this planet, original sin’s curse, etc. to work out like this?

Freewill sometimes makes bad choices.

 

[Free2bHeretical4Him!]

Humans from Seth on, do not bear His likeness and image. God's likeness and image isn't doomed to be tortured forever.

I agree God’s image is not doomed to be tortured forever. God created Adam/mankind in His image.

Anything after that is according to the likeness and image of the one born. Adam/Mankind never losses that which he never created. God’s image is unalterable …

Genesis 5:3
When Adam was 130 years old, he had a son in his own likeness, after his own image; and he named him Seth.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

He is not!

Freewill sometimes makes bad choices.

We needed to experience life that is not following Gods ways, so all of humanity would reject life without God for good at the consummation of the ages.

 

[David Lamb]

Humans from Seth on, do not bear His likeness and image. God's likeness and image isn't doomed to be tortured forever.

Genesis 5:3
When Adam was 130 years old, he had a son in his own likeness, after his own image; and he named him Seth.

But what do you make of God's command against murder in Genesis 9:

“"Whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man.” (Ge 9:6 NKJV)

Is the command only against the potential murder of Seth and those born before him? If not, then it is because man in general is made in the image of God that we are not to murder.

 

[BeyondET]

But what do you make of God's command against murder in Genesis 9:

“"Whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man.” (Ge 9:6 NKJV)

Is the command only against the potential murder of Seth and those born before him? If not, then it is because man in general is made in the image of God that we are not to murder.

We know it was a sin before Seth but when did it become a commandment?

 

[David Lamb]

We know it was a sin before Seth but when did it become a commandment?

Well God commanded that man should not shed another man's blood, in that verse I quoted from Genesis 9, several generations after Seth.

 

[BeyondET]

Well God commanded that man should not shed another man's blood, in that verse I quoted from Genesis 9, several generations after Seth.

So the commandment isn't for those before Seth, is that fair to say?

 

[David Lamb]

So the commandment isn't for those before Seth, is that fair to say?

No. It wasn't only for those before Seth. Think of Cain murdering his brother Abel. God said to Cain:

“Then the LORD said to Cain, "Where is Abel your brother?" He said, "I do not know. Am I my brother’s keeper?" And He said, "What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground. "So now you are cursed from the earth, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. "When you till the ground, it shall no longer yield its strength to you. A fugitive and a vagabond you shall be on the earth."” (Ge 4:9-12 NKJV)

If murder was not forbidden, why did God punish Cain?