Are Folks Making America Hate Again?

[MrMoe]

What if the current law is wrong? If the law as written could be improved, then is it not reasonable to want immigration policies to change?

Laws need to evolve with the times. We elect members of Congress not just to uphold existing laws, but to create better ones for the future.

It’s OK to propose new laws. I believe the law should include a pathway for some undocumented immigrants to gain legal status. Others, certainly, should be deported. It needs to be handled on a case-by-case basis.

Trump plans to increase immigrant labor—but he’s aiming to bring in large numbers of temporary workers under programs that amount, functionally, to indentured labor. To be fair, the Biden administration has done this too.

This eye-opening video explains what’s happening:

Where is our compassion?

So if this exploitation happening to documented worker then it’s definitely happening to illegal immigrants. Probably on a larger scale. Yet you want illegals to stay in America because they’re good for the economy. That’s cold.

Is asylum still possible?

Do you believe we should do more to ensure that people have a fair chance to make their case?

Yes.

It’s a difficult problem.

You say you have “no issue” with asylum—and that’s actually a fairly liberal position. It’s good to offer protection to those in danger. But the reality is, we have limits. There are only so many people we can take in at once. Right now, the borders are overwhelmed with asylum seekers, and the immigration courts are hopelessly backlogged.

We can try to hold people back, but they keep coming.

I believe we need:
- Increased capacity to process asylum claims quickly and fairly,
- Improved security to manage the flow,
- And a compassionate, yet practical system to handle this complex challenge.

Being “for asylum” is a good starting point—but it’s not, by itself, a solution.

Biden certainly didn’t help when he said “surge the border”.

 

[MrMoe]

For the same reason I stay in a country with a corrupt leader. There are many good people here who want things to change.

There are many good people who want things to change in the countries those illegal immigrants are from. I would hope you would want those places to change too.

I am staying here and placing my bet that, in the long run, good wins.

Would you tell illegal immigrants to staying there in their countries and placing their bets that, in the long run, good wins?

 

[MrMoe]

How do you want to help other countries?

Reduce or prevent corruption. Help stop criminal gangs and the cartel.

I suggested aid programs like USAID.

As stated above by the Secretary of State Marc Rubio:
“Unfortunately, USAID strayed from its original mission long ago. As a result, the gains were too few and the costs were too high.”

At first you objected, but now you seem to want aid programs like USAID, with some differences. Good, let's help poor countries in the global South.

I would like aid to poor countries, just not the USAID program.

In the meantime, many people are coming here fearing for their lives. Even you have suggested that we should have an asylum program to give them an escape if it is desperately needed. But we find ourselves overloaded at the border, and unable to address everybody.

Again, no thanks to Biden. See above video of Biden saying “surge the border”.

Simply saying "make their home countries more hospitable" is a dream solution that doesn't begin to address the complexity of doing that.

Yet your solution for America is simply: “staying here and placing my bet that, in the long run, good wins.” Now THAT is a dream solution.

We should start at least attempting that instead of giving up like you have, just because you consider it a “dream solution”. To quote Jesus: “O ye with little faith”.

 

[Bradskii]

As stated above by the Secretary of State Marc Rubio:
“Unfortunately, USAID strayed from its original mission long ago. As a result, the gains were too few and the costs were too high.”

I would like aid to poor countries, just not the USAID program.

USAid spent less than 1% of the US budget so please don't give that bulldust: usaid spending as a percentage of gdp - Yahoo Search Results

You guys spend more on pet food than you do on foreign aid. And Trump, the White House, Musk and many others all lied to you about the so called waste.

There are those who most definitely support it. Like here:

'We believe it is critical that USAID continue to play an active role in providing technical assistance, education and training to support countries’ efforts to strengthen electoral systems. USAID’s democracy and governance programs are vital for capacity building."

"Anybody who tells you that we can slash foreign aid and that will bring us to balance is lying to you,"

" USAID must receive funding "to send a clear message that the United States has a comprehensive strategy to counter the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) expanding global influence and the increasing threat it poses to U.S. security interests and those of our allies and partners."

"In every region of the world, we should always search for ways to use U.S. aid and humanitarian assistance to strengthen our influence, the effectiveness of our leadership, and the service of our interests and ideals. Foreign aid is a very cost-effective way not only to export our values and our example, but to advance our security and our economic interests."

You can't argue with sentiments like that. Full marks to those who stood up and supported it when it needed support. So thanks to...(checks notes)...ah yes. All comments by Marc Rubio.

Marco Rubio supported USAID as a senator. As secretary of state, he backs gutting it.

On at least 12 occasions over more than a decade, Rubio praised USAID’s work, from hurricane relief to battling infectious diseases to aiding refugees.

lionswire.usatoday.com

 

[MrMoe]

USAid spent less than 1% of the US budget so please don't give that bulldust: usaid spending as a percentage of gdp - Yahoo Search Results

You guys spend more on pet food than you do on foreign aid. And Trump, the White House, Musk and many others all lied to you about the so called waste.

There are those who most definitely support it. Like here:

'We believe it is critical that USAID continue to play an active role in providing technical assistance, education and training to support countries’ efforts to strengthen electoral systems. USAID’s democracy and governance programs are vital for capacity building."

"Anybody who tells you that we can slash foreign aid and that will bring us to balance is lying to you,"

" USAID must receive funding "to send a clear message that the United States has a comprehensive strategy to counter the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) expanding global influence and the increasing threat it poses to U.S. security interests and those of our allies and partners."

"In every region of the world, we should always search for ways to use U.S. aid and humanitarian assistance to strengthen our influence, the effectiveness of our leadership, and the service of our interests and ideals. Foreign aid is a very cost-effective way not only to export our values and our example, but to advance our security and our economic interests."

You can't argue with sentiments like that. Full marks to those who stood up and supported it when it needed support. So thanks to...(checks notes)...ah yes. All comments by Marc Rubio.

Marco Rubio supported USAID as a senator. As secretary of state, he backs gutting it.

On at least 12 occasions over more than a decade, Rubio praised USAID’s work, from hurricane relief to battling infectious diseases to aiding refugees.

lionswire.usatoday.com

That was all before he became Secretary of State. Obviously he changed his mind. You believe his words then, why not now?

And why are we acting like USAID is the be-all and end-all of American foreign aid? It’s not.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Your pickup truck is breaking down, and you cannot afford a new one. Good jobs are hard to find, and prices keep going up. You fear you might not be able to keep your God. Times are tough. I get it.

In frustration, you look for people to blame, and you find no shortage of possibilities. You could blame DEI recipients, transgenders, or Democrats, for instance. And then along comes a presidential candidate who speaks out against all the people you blame. True, some of those people being hated could include your friends or even yourself, but largely the message resonates with you. Yes, you have been told this candidate should never be President again, but then again, you hear this candidate is blaming the people you blame. You like that. And so, you vote for him.

But have you turned to hatred, rather than resolving the problems?

Here are some of the groups being hated:

DEI Recipients: Historically, discrimination had made it hard for minorities and women to have equality. DEI programs have been instituted to help overcome this bias, so that the result of both the lingering discrimination plus DEI emphasis would supposedly put everybody on more of an equal footing. Yes, some of those programs may have gone too far. There is always room for healthy debate. But how can it be good to lash out in hatred of all who have sought what they consider fairness?

Immigrants: People have blamed a range of other people here, from criminals to hard-working undocumented people to green card holders to natural-born citizens. All get lumped together with calls for mass deportation. Sure, violent criminals must go, but, in the meantime, many good people get caught up in a wave of hate.

LGBTQ+: No, Mr. Falwell, homosexuals and abortion providers were not the cause of the 9/11 attacks. There are decent people in the LGBTQ+ community who just want to live their lives. But an outpouring of hatred has been showered on these groups.

Other religions and nationalities: Other religions, especially Muslims, have seen immense hatred. In particular, vast hatred is reserved for the Palestinian people. True, Hamas has committed evil acts. Those who do that should be punished. But there are a vast number of people living in Palestine who want to live their lives peacefully. They think they deserve a fairer distribution of the land where they and the Israelis live.

Foreign Countries: There seems to be no end of the vitriol against China. Now, even Europe and Canada are in the crosshairs. Everybody seems to get the blame except, oddly, Russia. But America relies on a world of friendship. Somehow, we strike out in anger at even our friends, thinking that somehow that is OK.

Environmentalists: There is unending anger at those who seek to preserve the environment and seek to be honest about the limited resources in the world we live in. Environmentalists care about our future. Without such concern, the future is bleak.

Government Workers: There has been a vast backlash against the many career government workers who dedicate their lives in civil service. They are degraded as “the Deep State.” They have faced massive layoffs. But don’t forget, at its core, government is good.

The needy: There is endless backlash against welfare queens, without even acknowledging that the welfare program was abolished in the Clinton era, replaced with the much less generous Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). We need programs like Medicare, TANF, FEMA, and USAID. But unfortunately, these programs get branded as Marxism and receive the wrath of many people.

America is, and always has been, great. That greatness has sometimes been overshadowed with hate. We had slavery, the Trail of Tears, and subjugation of women. Despite that, America has been moving on with things like The New Deal, The Great Society, Civil Rights, and even Compassionate Conservatism. Are we now losing all that? Are we making America hate again?

Thank you for highlighting the economic struggles many face—broken-down trucks, rising prices, and job scarcity. These are real burdens, and it’s understandable that people feel frustrated and tempted to point fingers. Your concern about hatred dividing America is worth wrestling with, but as a Christian, I believe Scripture teaches us to love our neighbors and is the general ethic I have noted, at least until I catch some of the legacy media's thoughts anyway.

As a result, I’m not convinced that working class America is as broadly consumed by hate as your post suggests. Those who voted for the candidate you reference aren’t driven by hatred but by practical concerns as you so aptly point out—economic survival, border security, or distrust of policies they see as harmful. Painting their frustrations as hate risks oversimplifying complex motivations and dismissing legitimate grievances.

That said, Scripture warns us to guard our hearts against bitterness and division (Heb. 12:15). Christians must speak truth in love (Eph. 4:15). The answer isn’t vilifying one side or another but examining our own hearts and actions in light of Christ’s example (Phil. 2:5).

Your list of allegedly “hated” groups assumes motives that may not universally apply, or may apply to none but a handful. For instance, concern about environmental policies often stems from economic trade-offs, not hatred of environmentalists. Disagreeing with certain programs—like government expansion—doesn’t equate to despising the needy; it can reflect a desire for accountability and good stewardship (2 Thess. 3:10). As Christians, we must discern between principled disagreement and sinful hatred, ensuring our words and actions reflect the gospel (Col. 3:17).

America’s greatness isn’t rooted in its history or policies—whether the New Deal or Civil Rights—but in God’s grace and the freedom to pursue truth. Yet, America, like all nations, is stained by sin (Ps. 33:12). Slavery, the Trail of Tears, and other injustices prove that. The solution isn’t to lament a hatred that is assumed but to call all people to repentance and faith in Christ (Acts 17:30). Only He can transform hearts, heal divisions, and guide us to love as He loves (John 13:34-35).

Rather than “making America hate again,” I see a nation wrestling with deep challenges. Christians must lead by humbling ourselves, praying, and seeking God’s face (2 Chron. 7:14), trusting Him to work through our messy world.

Peace and Grace in Christ.

 

[rjs330]

"Law and order" is often used as a fig leaf over repression and advocating for unjust, oppressive, and even violent social hierarchies.

I value the biblical ethic of shalom, a just peace.

You can't have peace without law and order.

 

[BCP1928]

Reduce or prevent corruption. Help stop criminal gangs and the cartel.



As stated above by the Secretary of State Marc Rubio:
“Unfortunately, USAID strayed from its original mission long ago. As a result, the gains were too few and the costs were too high.”



I would like aid to poor countries, just not the USAID program.

Are you anti-Catholic? The biggest single recipient of of USAID funds was Catholic Relief Services.

 

[Bradskii]

That was all before he became Secretary of State. Obviously he changed his mind. You believe his words then, why not now?

Because nothing had changed. Except his position was now working for Trump. He's a hypocrite.

And why are we acting like USAID is the be-all and end-all of American foreign aid? It’s not.

It was set up specifically to deal with foreign aid. That's like closing schools and excusing that by saying that they are not the be-all and end-all of education. Closing the whole department is like closing a school because you don't like parts of the curriculum. It's the dumbest thing imaginable.

 

[MrMoe]

Because nothing had changed.

That’s not true. Marco Rubio got two new jobs this year.

Except his position was now working for Trump.

Just contradicted your previous comment.

He's a hypocrite.

Or he changed his mind after becoming more informed.

It was set up specifically to deal with foreign aid. That's like closing schools and excusing that by saying that they are not the be-all and end-all of education.

You’re assuming schools are the only way someone can become educated.

Closing the whole department is like closing a school because you don't like parts of the curriculum.

Pretty sure USAID wasn’t closed down just because Rubio didn’t like parts of the department if you read what he said.

It's the dumbest thing imaginable.

No, crying over a closed department when aid can still be given out without the need for that department is the dumbest thing imaginable.

 

[MrMoe]

Are you anti-Catholic? The biggest single recipient of of USAID funds was Catholic Relief Services.

I remember being called anti-Catholic, but it was for criticising Catholic beliefs.

 

[BCP1928]

I remember being called anti-Catholic, but it was for criticising Catholic beliefs.

Then what is it about USAID programs you didn't like? Some were run by Catholics. Did you dislike them?

 

[Bradskii]

That’s not true. Marco Rubio got two new jobs this year.

Nothing changed in the department. You are being purposely obtuse.

No, crying over a closed department when aid can still be given out without the need for that department is the dumbest thing imaginable.

Of course. All you need is a team of experts to decide where best the money allocated by Congress should be spent, how to allocate it and when, organise boots on the ground, obtain feedback, adjust aid as necessary plus a hundred and one other things that would be needed. But hey, don't call it 'a department'. That would be the dumbest thing imaginable!

But maybe you don't need a group of people to do that. Maybe just pick something at random that you can support. Allocate it alphabetically perhaps. Maybe someone can write a computer program. Yeah, it's a job for AI! Maybe all departments within the government can be closed. You might be on to something.

What do we want? No departments!
When do we want it? Now!

In the meantime you can tell me what actual system has replaced the department giving out aid. You said it was important. So how is it being done now?

 

[BCP1928]

Nothing changed in the department. You are being purposely obtuse.

Of course. All you need is a team of experts to decide where best the money allocated by Congress should be spent, how to allocate it and when, organise boots on the ground, obtain feedback, adjust aid as necessary plus a hundred and one other things that would be needed. But hey, don't call it 'a department'. That would be the dumbest thing imaginable!

But maybe you don't need a group of people to do that. Maybe just pick something at random that you can support. Allocate it alphabetically perhaps. Maybe someone can write a computer program. Yeah, it's a job for AI! Maybe all departments within the government can be closed. You might be on to something.

What do we want? No departments!
When do we want it? Now!

In the meantime you can tell me what actual system has replaced the department giving out aid. You said it was important. So how is it being done now?

The object was not the department itself, but control over it. There will be those experts and field officers that you speak of but they will be working at State under the direct supervision of MAGA. Aid will now be given to support our foreign policy objectives--no more "woke" stuff about starving or dying people.

 

[Bradskii]

Aid will now be given to support our foreign policy objectives...

Details of which seem to be thin on the ground so far. I don't think that a lot of people appreciate that a lot of the aid is literally a matter of of life or death.

 

[MrMoe]

Then what is it about USAID programs you didn't like?

I don’t recall ever saying I disliked any USAID programs. Marco Rubio found issues with USAID and I am taking his word for it.

Some were run by Catholics. Did you dislike them?

Didn’t even know that until you told me just now.

 

[MrMoe]

Nothing changed in the department. You are being purposely obtuse.

The administration changed. And this new administration wants to clean up and make things more productive and efficient and that benefit Americans more. Things the previous incompetent administration overlooked.

Of course. All you need is a team of experts to decide where best the money allocated by Congress should be spent, how to allocate it and when, organise boots on the ground, obtain feedback, adjust aid as necessary plus a hundred and one other things that would be needed. But hey, don't call it 'a department'. That would be the dumbest thing imaginable!

But maybe you don't need a group of people to do that. Maybe just pick something at random that you can support. Allocate it alphabetically perhaps. Maybe someone can write a computer program. Yeah, it's a job for AI! Maybe all departments within the government can be closed. You might be on to something.

What do we want? No departments!
When do we want it? Now!

In the meantime you can tell me what actual system has replaced the department giving out aid. You said it was important. So how is it being done now?

You should be asking Marco Rubio that. I don’t work for the US government.

 

[Bradskii]

The administration changed.

Exactly. Now he works for Trump. So he says what Trump wants to hear.

You should be asking Marco Rubio that. I don’t work for the US government.

Yet you say that we don't need USAid for foreign aid? It sounded like you knew what you were talking about. Maybe not. You were just repeating what you've been told.

 

[MrMoe]

Exactly. Now he works for Trump. So he says what Trump wants to hear.

Wow. Didn’t know Trump had mind control powers and could take away people’s autonomy.

Yet you say that we don't need USAid for foreign aid? It sounded like you knew what you were talking about. Maybe not.

That’s right, we don’t need it to give foreign aid. I wasn’t told this, I simply looked it up.

You were just repeating what you've been told.

I hope you’re not suggesting Trump is mind controlling me too. You’re talking exactly like a conspiracy theorist.

 

[The_Mantis]

You know what I think would be great for America? Take all the news medias off the air. Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, get rid of all of them because they’re all promoting lies and propaganda which is why nobody knows what hay to believe. It’s pretty much become a matter of which lies do you prefer to believe?

This^^^The media is driving the hate. It should be illegal to lie like they do but I guess it’s not? You’ll find that all the haters are driven by the medias lies and propaganda. If I was president I would be making slandering and lying on the news illegal(although it probably already is just not enforced).