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Lunar Sabbath is always the seventh day of the week and in a perfect progression of sevenths from each Rosh Codesh.

In the first book of Moses we see that YHVH did not appoint the great lights according to a Julian calendar, nor according to a Gregorian calendar, nor according to a week from Sunday to Saturday

And G-d said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And G-d made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Gen 1:14-16

So we should be able to find the 7-day week according to the calendar that YHVH gave us in the Book of Beginnings, in Genesis.

It is essential to observe the moon so that we know where we are on His calendar. Seventh-Day Sabbath cannot be found using a solar calendar. If the Gregorian calendar did not exist, could you go outside, look at the sun and tell whether it is a Sabbath or Saturday?

No.

So much for a solar week.

 

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This is a fascinating argument, that populartity or pervasiveness proves truth. In reality, it is equally as flawed as asserting that the minority position must be correct because few find the path. Yet that said, the argument still bears full examination.

While it is indeed a fact that the word for "Saturday" in some languages relate either directly or indirectly to the word or meaning of "Sabbath", such is in perspective a minority. Many more simply relate - as our English word does - to the planet Saturn. Here is a fairly comprehensive list of latinised transliterations for "Saturday":

This defence supposes that there is some common human social memory within various languages identifying Saturday as the Sabbath. The absurdity of this is clearly evident in the fact that the planetary week itself has not been in existence for much more than 2,500 years, and thus no names for its days could have been applied to it before its invention. Further, it is clear that the spread of this system was initially through the Roman Empire, and later Christianity, so it should come as no surprise that the identifications of both would be transmitted through various languages which later adopted the same system.

Since it is plainly proven that by the beginning of the second century CE, the Jewish Sabbath had in fact been tied to the day of Saturn, the adoption then of such a designation by some also poses no issue. It could equally be claimed that those appearing to adopt "Shabbat" could instead be absorbing "Shabtai", the later Hebrew name for Saturn.

Finally, this transmission pattern can be shown by comparing the instances of similarity to "Shabbat" and the recentness of a particular language's development. The result totally refutes the notion that these recent languages some how prove an ancient observance. To the contrary, they say absolutely nothing about the Sabbath.

 

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In any case, history refutes the assumption of an uninterrupted weekly cycle since creation

In the Roman calendar, Saturday as the ‘day of Saturn’ represented the first day of the week, as Saturn occupies the highest rank among the planets of the seven weekday names in the descending sidereal order.
S.: Saturday

According to ancient ideas, today's Saturday...was the first day of the week. It was called the ‘day of Saturn’ (dies Saturni), i.e. the most important planet according to the ideas of the time gave its name to the first and most important day of the week. The Roman way of counting can be traced back to the historian Cassius Dio, who dated the fall of the city of Pompeii due to the eruption of Mount Vesuvius to a fourth day of the week (Tuesday, 24 August 79 AD).
S.: Lexicon universal-knowledge: 'Dies Saturni'

 

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Historically and biblically wrong is the assertion that the Gregorian Saturday corresponds to the Sabbath day as it is mentioned in the Bible.

In the Roman calendar, Saturday represented the first day of the week as the 'day of Saturn', as Saturn occupies the highest rank among the planets of the seven weekday names in the descending sidereal order (see quotations above)

Still today the Gregorian Saturday as the first day of the week is preserved in the neighboring countries of Israel as in the times of the Messiah on earth, namely Egypt, Jordan and Syria. Israel is surrounded exclusively by middle east countries, where Saturday is still the first day of the week

 

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The 'bomb shelter test' is one which nuclear warfare could make reality, even in our age of modern global communication and information. Were the world plunged into a nurclear war, the survivors after the fallout settled and radiation dissipated. Clocks, and most electronic devices would have been rendered inoperable by electromagnetic pulse, and the ability to keep count even by the rising and setting of the sun would have been removed.

As unimaginable as such a scenario might be, the purpose of it here is only to underscore how fragile a thing man's counting can be. Would YHVH leave something as important as the Sabbath to the ability of mankind not to loose count?

 

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Lunar Sabbath is always the seventh day of the week and in a perfect progression of sevenths from each Rosh Codesh.

In the first book of Moses we see that YHVH did not appoint the great lights according to a Julian calendar, nor according to a Gregorian calendar, nor according to a week from Sunday to Saturday

And G-d said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And G-d made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Gen 1:14-16

So we should be able to find the 7-day week according to the calendar that YHVH gave us in the Book of Beginnings, in Genesis.

It is essential to observe the moon so that we know where we are on His calendar. Seventh-Day Sabbath cannot be found using a solar calendar. If the Gregorian calendar did not exist, could you go outside, look at the sun and tell whether it is a Sabbath or Saturday?

No.

So much for a solar week.

The 'bomb shelter test' is one which nuclear warfare could make reality, even in our age of modern global communication and information. Were the world plunged into a nurclear war, the survivors after the fallout settled and radiation dissipated. Clocks, and most electronic devices would have been rendered inoperable by electromagnetic pulse, and the ability to keep count even by the rising and setting of the sun would have been removed.

As unimaginable as such a scenario might be, the purpose of it here is only to underscore how fragile a thing man's counting can be. Would YHVH leave something as important as the Sabbath to the ability of mankind not to loose count?

The seven day cycle of the Shabbat was encoded in the biological cycle of life in the first woman, who was created to be the counterpart-helpmate for the first man, and it has nothing to do with the cycle of the moon. Where is the moon in the vision of Rev 12? It is at the feet of the woman in the heavenly vision, meaning that the moon is subservient to the woman, for it also strongly implies that when the woman brings forth the man-child the moon will obviously be turned to blood by the symbolism, seeing that the moon is at her feet while she is in pain to be delivered and about to bring forth the man-child. Most of scholarship has misunderstood the order of importance as it appears to be laid out in the scripture, (at least imo), for it is the moon which symbolizes the woman, not the woman who symbolizes the moon: the moon is subservient to the woman in the analogies, allegories, metaphors, etc., in the scripture, (the women are the cities are the covenants, just as Sarah and Hagar are juxtaposed in Gal 4:22-27 and Yerushalem of above is our mother(covenant)).

The cycle of the woman was built into her and programmed by the Creator to be precisely twenty-eight days which, to this day, remains the average monthly cycle of a woman. In modern times the cycle is counted as commencing when her issue of blood begins. The first week of seven days is also the average length of the issue of blood in the average twenty-eight day cycle of a woman to this day. After her issue ceases, at seven days, there is another week of seven days and the woman ovulates, in the fourteenth day of her cycle for the average woman with an average cycle of twenty-eight days. Thus the fourteenth day of her cycle is the day wherein the woman is most fertile, and the fifteenth day is the second most fertile day of her cycle. After two more weeks of seven days, when the twenty eight days of her monthly cycle are complete, the next monthly cycle commences with a new issue of blood.

The average woman with the average monthly cycle of twenty-eight days completes thirteen cycles in one year, that is, thirteen months of twenty-eight days. Thirteen months of twenty-eight days amount to exactly fifty two weeks of seven days for a total of three hundred and sixty-four days in one full year of monthly cycles.

No doubt Adam's counterpart-helpmate-wife helped him to remember the Shabbat of creation and likewise to understand the calendar: for her cycle contains the weekly Shabbat cycle which continues to this day.

 

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Two studies in the 1980s similarly found that women with cycle lengths of about 29.5 days had menses onset that coupled to phases of the moon. The true weekly cycle is not continuous. Earth was never intended to operate on an independent time-measuring sub-system wholly detached from that of the entire universe or its Creator.

Neither Saturday nor Sunday is mentioned anywhere in Scripture for several remarkable reasons. One is because the continuous weekly cycle will never synchronize to a lunar month. Scripture describes the years, months, weeks, and days as lunar, commencing with the New Moon Day. From there, we are to count four weeks in a row and then start a new month with the next New Moon Day. The fact that the New Moon Day exists every single month is the greatest evidence that the ordained weekly cycle is broken once every lunation (the demarcation of 29-30 lunar phases that make up a lunar month).

Knowing that every biblical truth must be established by two or three witnesses (Deu 19:15, 2 Cor 13:1), we can resolve this discrepancy with just one or two verses, that teaches, apart from tradition or assumption, the weekly Sabbaths are in a continual, uninterrupted chain. Unfortunately, there is no such verse unless you know of one. Do you?

Julius Caesar divorced the months and the weeks from the moon providing a smorgasboard of options. He made the months of varying lengths and caused his new eight-day week to cycle without end, all with no New Moon Day boundary markers for the start and end of lunar months.

Emperor Constantine’s continuous seven-day weekly cycle was proactively caused to never harmonize with the creation story as found in the Torah Law of Scripture.

The 28 days of the month based on the measured light the moon receives from the sun. Days on which the moon does not provide light do not count as weekdays.
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An average menstrual cycle do not represent a complete calendar model just as a single passage of Scripture does not explain the entire biblical calendar. Never base an interpretation on just one passage of Scripture, but always consider Scripture as a whole. No month consists of just 28 days. In Hebrew, the word for year, shanah, refers to itself, because its gematria is 355, the number of whole days in a full lunar year


shanah
שָׁנָה
21. שׂ שׁ Shin/Sin 300
14. נ Nun 50
5. ה He 5
Σ 355

The moon follows a pattern of seven-day intervals. This is seen by observing the New Moon, first quarter, full moon, last quarter, and last sliver of the moon. The moon conjuncts at each of these events in nature and gives us a starting point for counting our weeks and numbering our days.​

Philo understood and recorded this phenomenon in his writings ON THE CREATION

XXXIV. (101) For she increases from her first crescent-shaped figure, to that of a half circle in seven days; and in seven more, she becomes a full orb; and then again she turns back, retracing the same path, like a runner of the diaulos, receding from an orb full of light, to a half circle again in seven days, and lastly, in an equal number she diminishes from a half circle to the form of a crescent;

All appointed times of the Creator we should keeping are found by His time-keeping devices in heaven.

The Fourth Commandment is not the fourth of Ten by accident, for its placement within the Ten Words testifies to the biblical lunisolar calendar, a recurring pattern of four Sabbaths per month.

This is not a coincidence.

In the beginning G-d created the heaven and the earth. Gen.1:1
בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ

The very first vers of the bible in Hebrew consists of 28 letters and 7 words. 7 for a week and 28 for a Month with 4 weeks and 4 Sabbaths.
Each month always contains 4 Sabbaths, different from months in a solar only calendar, that can contains 5 Saturday Sabbaths.

Most people know that the month were originally by the moon but failed to realize that the 4 phases of the moon were used for the weeks. This is in accordance with the statement, that not one fragment recovered from Qumran Cave 4 has a description of a lunar month that contained more than 28 days

The number 7 is a recurring numerical theme in the Hebrew scriptures. The menorah's seven lamps on four branches correspond to the lights of the seven Classical planets: the Moon, Mercury, Venus, the Sun (4th), Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. Hebrew mysticism recognized their great importance. Therefore, along with the four lunar phases being slightly over seven days (~7.4 days) each, the number 7 was held in very high regard. The Torah reflects this with Bereishit (Book of Genesis 1:1) being seven words and twenty-eight letters (7x4) in its original Hebrew. This is "G-d's signature"
S.: wicki Hebrew astronomy

The standard order of Creation Week is inherent in Genesis 1-2. This Creation Week set the Sabbath pattern, found in the 7x4 = 28; Lunar Mansions. The 28 stations reflect the movement of the Moon through a sidereal month. The transition from the end of one lunar phase to commencement of the next lunar phase is a most revered calendar unit across world cultures. In this way, G-d set aside the Sabbath Day as holy, consecrating the Sabbath in Israel for all time, which is a big reason why Israel has abided by a lunar calendar. We also find historical recognition of the influence of this seven-fold pattern in various septenary units of measurement. The Egyptian Royal cubit was composed of 7 hands or 28 fingers, as a standard cubit, with a 7th hand added
S.: The Structure of the Hebrew Menorah and the Pi ratio

 

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My Jewish Learning is the leading independent website and digital community for all things Jewish, from Jewish history to text to ritual to prayer to food and much more. My Jewish Learning's staff includes leading Jewish scholars and journalists. Rachel Scheinerman, who holds a doctorate in Ancient Judaism from Yale University, is My Jewish Learning's Editor, and Ben Harris, a longtime, award-winning journalist covering Jewish topics, is Managing Editor. Under FAQ: Jewish Calendar: Solar and Lunar - How the Hebrew calendar works, we read

The rhythm of Jewish time is determined both by the sun and by the moon. The basic unit of time is naturally enough the day, which is a unit of time determined by the amount of sunlight reaching the earth as it rotates on its axis... The first story of creation in Genesis 1:1-2:4 also establishes the next higher unit of measuring time, namely the seven-day week. This tale serves to place the week firmly within the divine plan, in which a six-day workweek is followed by the sacred Sabbath, a divinely ordained day of rest. Since most units of measurement ultimately go back to the Babylonians, who were the first great astronomers and natural observers of the ancient world, we know that the week is meant to be coordinated with the four phases of the moon. Therefore, roughly speaking, four weeks make a month. And roughly 12 months make a year. Since, however, the 12-month lunar year and the 365-day solar calendar do not overlap exactly, the Gregorian calendar that has become the standard world calendar has months of unequal length that no longer correlate with the phases of the moon and has to insert an extra day every four years (the leap year) in order to have the calendar reflect the solar year.

In timeanddate, the world's top-ranking website for time and time zones, the question is asked:

Why Does a Week Have 7 Days?

A Week for Each Moon Phase

The reason why we organize our lives around a 7-day week is, quite literally, above our heads. Like many other calendars, today's Gregorian calendar is ultimately based on the phases of the Moon. It takes the Moon around 29.5 days to cycle through all Moon phases.

For everyday purposes, this is a fairly long and impractical time span, so it makes sense to break it down into smaller segments.

Enter the Babylonians. This ancient society, who lived in Mesopotamia in what is now Iraq, rounded the Moon cycle down to 28 days and divided this time span into 4 periods of 7 days each, using leap days to stay in sync with the Moon phases in the long run.

This 7-day structure is also believed to have ultimately informed a number of popular creation myths, such as the Book of Genesis in the Hebrew and Christian Bibles, which states that G-d created the world in seven days: six days of work followed by one day of rest.

It continues

Some historical sources claim that the connection between the days of the week and the classical planets was introduced later by the ancient Greeks.

Roman G-ds Named Days of the Week

However, historians generally agree that it was the Romans who, a few hundred years later, added many features of the modern 7-day week by adapting the Babylonian system to their world view.

From around the 1st century BCE, they introduced a system where each day was named after one of their pagan g-ds, each of whom was associated with one of the classical planets. For example, Saturday was dies Saturni, the day of Saturn.

In most Latin-based languages, the names of the weekdays still reveal this connection to the classical planets. However, in many cases, the Roman deities have been replaced by their Norse or Germanic equivalents.

Further explained

The Order of the Weekdays

Like the modern names of the weekdays, their order within a week has its roots in ancient Rome. The Romans observed the speed at which the classical planets crossed the sky and concluded that the fastest object must have the shortest distance to the Earth, while the slowest object was believed to be farthest away.

What is the actual distance to the planets?

How far is the Moon from Earth?

This resulted in the following order, from greatest to shortest assumed distance from Earth, displayed here with the associated day of the week:

The classical planets and their perceived distance from Earth, with associated days of the week

 

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History makes clear the 7-day planetary week (beginning on Sunday and ending on Saturday) that the world observes today is only about 1,700 years old. Herein lies the crux of the matter.

In 1582 Gregorian went from Thursday Oct 4th to Friday the 15th, 11 days, but the weekday sequence wasn't broken. In 1752 Great Britain went from Wednesday 2nd September followed by Thursday 14th September 1752. Weekday sequence wasn't broken then either.

Is there a record of the weekday not in sequence?

In the 19th century, Alaska was inhabited by approximately 80,000 indigenous people.

When Alaska switched from the Julian calendar (used by Russia) to the Gregorian calendar (used by the United States) on Oct 18, 1867, it also moved from the western side of the International Date Line to the eastern side. Alaska ended up losing one of the 12 days it gained, moving to Oct 18th instead of the 19th. And it also lost a day of the week in the process. Instead of going from Friday (the 6th) to Saturday (the 19th), it went from Friday to Friday.

 

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Life would have been so much easier if the 365-day calendar had been divided into thirteen months of seven days each, with the extra day used as a holiday.

 

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Perhaps we can time travel one day and suggest it. Actually sounds like a great division. Thirteen months of twenty-eight days, with a one-day annual holiday, and a two-day holiday every four years with some grand celebration on that second day.

 

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Perhaps we can time travel one day and suggest it. Actually sounds like a great division. Thirteen months of twenty-eight days, with a one-day annual holiday, and a two-day holiday every four years with some grand celebration on that second day.

Which do you think is more likely to happen - changing the calendar as I suggested or eliminating Daylight Savings Time?

 

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When Alaska switched from the Julian calendar (used by Russia) to the Gregorian calendar (used by the United States) on Oct 18, 1867, it also moved from the western side of the International Date Line to the eastern side. Alaska ended up losing one of the 12 days it gained, moving to Oct 18th instead of the 19th. And it also lost a day of the week in the process. Instead of going from Friday (the 6th) to Saturday (the 19th), it went from Friday to Friday.

A similar adjustment of the date line occurred in 1892 when king Malietoa Laupepa of Samoa was persuaded by a major American business house trading in that region to adopt the American day reckoning instead of the Asian day reckoning. In a fine stroke of diplomatic flattery this was put into effect by a royal proclamation in the Samoan Times of 16 June, announcing that the 4th of July, a Monday, would be celebrated twice.

Margaret Isabella (Balfour) Stevenson (1829-1897), the mother of the Scottish writer Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-1894) who had settled in Samoa in 1890, described the occurrence of the ‘second 4th July, 1892’ as follows in her Letters from Samoa:

“Surely now I have been round the world, since at last I have done that to which I used to look forward, I have ‘gained a day.’ It seems that all this time we have been counting wrong, because in former days communication was entirely with Australia, and it was simpler and in every way more natural to follow the Australian calendar; but now that so many vessels come from San Francisco, the powers that be have decided to set this right, and to adopt the date that belongs to our actual geographical position. To this end, therefore, we are ordered to keep two Mondays in this week, which will get us straight.”

 

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Which do you think is more likely to happen - changing the calendar as I suggested or eliminating Daylight Savings Time?

We probably have a better chance of time traveling.

 

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We probably have a better chance of time traveling.

Agreed!

 

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We probably have a better chance of time traveling.

I've been doing that all my life. Thus far I've managed to travel over 50 years into the future!

 

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The lunar-solar calendar of Creation is the most accurate method of time-keeping. It is elegant, precise. It is divinely designed
time-keeping. Jeremiah refers to YHVH giving the "ordinances" (or laws) of the moon

Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name: Jer 31:35

The ordinances of divine time-keeping are so simple that the shepherd on the hillside can be as accurate by observation, as the astronomer in his observatory is by calculation.

 

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The lunar-solar calendar of Creation is the most accurate method of time-keeping. It is elegant, precise. It is divinely designed
time-keeping. Jeremiah refers to YHVH giving the "ordinances" (or laws) of the moon

Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name: Jer 31:35

The ordinances of divine time-keeping are so simple that the shepherd on the hillside can be as accurate by observation, as the astronomer in his observatory is by calculation.

Long before the Jewish and Christian eras various astronomers developed a fairly good understanding of time keeping. It did not take them long to ditch the idea of a lunar calendar (which is the basis for the Jewish calendar) as being wildly inaccurate for annual calendars. However, that did not stop the arch-conservative, Mohammed, from insisting on its use in Islam. Time-keeping in Islam is really odd, such that its various holy days fall on various days of the solar year, varying widely from year to year.

The Aztecs were probably the best early astronomers, coming up with a really accurate solar calendar. In Europe, the Romans came up with the Julian calendar which was claimed to be divinely inspired. However, by 1582 it was realized that it had gotten quite out of sync with reality, so the current Gregorian calendar was introduced, which caused some major repercussions, but has been effectively used ever since.

You might find this Wikipedia article helpful - Gregorian calendar - Wikipedia

 

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Scripture reveals that the entire conflict between the Creator and Satan is contained in the battle over worship. It is a war for the mind of every man, woman and child alive today. Therefore, it would be wise for everyone on earth to examine this subject for themselves. All should study and know for sure whether the true day of worship is a Saturday Sabbath or a Lunar Sabbath.