Are Folks Making America Hate Again?

[stevil]

That’s all well and good, but all that doesn’t excuse the illegal immigrant simping.

It just blows your previous statement out of the water. Direct hit, sunk on impact.

 

[doubtingmerle]

These people broke the law by entering the country illegally.

The Trump administration is doing little to deport the millions of people living in the U.S. illegally but is actively deporting a few individuals — even some citizens — in ways that appear unusually cruel. Why?

My guess is that the administration is trying to please two very different groups of supporters.

One group, composed of far-right voters, simply wants certain people removed from the country. For them, a few high-profile deportations serve as symbolic victories that supposedly satisfy their demands.

The other group consists of donors who actively benefit from hiring undocumented workers (source, source, source).

So how do you please both groups?

The solution appears to be staging high-profile deportations that grab headlines, while quietly doing little about the vast majority of undocumented immigrants already here.

Who devised that strategy?

To be honest, I don't think Trump himself is shrewd enough to come up with it.
Rather, I suspect that wealthy supporters — and even members of the Trump Organization — could be working behind the scenes to ensure that immigration crackdowns don't target businesses dependent on undocumented labor.

The fact that many in the MAGA movement are thrilled by these high-profile deportations — even when some of those deported may be innocent — suggests that at least part of the motive is revenge.

When seeking revenge, it doesn’t really matter whether justice is carefully served. It only matters whether someone has been targeted in a way that satisfies the public appetite for retribution.

 

[stevil]

Then why did you say “horrific picking of almost exclusively white men” why is it horrific?

Think about it. I know you will get it eventually, especially if you stop being scared and threatened.

Because the U.S. has been a majority Christian country for pretty much its entire existence and men being the leaders is a traditional Christian view. Along with some other factors like tradition.

Nah, Christians expecially Catholics, think that women shouldn't be priests or cardinals or popes, but that doesn't extend to leadership outside the church. Christianity isn't an excuse of misogyny.

The native Indian population was in decline since the very first president was elected. They have made up only a very small percentage of the American population ever since.

They have been in decline ever since the white man came to the Americas and started slaughtering them and stealing their land.

Why do you want a female or native Indian president?
Is it because you think they’ll do a a better job then white men or because they tick certain diversity boxes?

Over time, just through normal statistic probabilities, women should have around 50% of the top jobs. All things being equal.
But if you look at what is actually happeneing, you will see there is a bias against women by the USA people, a lack of respect for women. Why is that?

What does it matter if it’s leaned toward white men? Their skin colour should be irrelevant.

So why do you keep voting for white men? If skin colour doesn't matter?

 

[stevil]

The Trump administration is doing little to deport the millions of people living in the U.S. illegally but is actively deporting a few individuals — even some citizens — in ways that appear unusually cruel. Why?

Smoke and mirrors, this is the way of Trump and his admin.

My guess is that the administration is trying to please two very different groups of supporters.

One group, composed of far-right voters, simply wants certain people removed from the country. For them, a few high-profile deportations serve as symbolic victories that supposedly satisfy their demands.

The MAGAs that want USA to be White again, scared of the great replacement conspiracy, scared that their White Christian lifestyle is under threat, scared of change.

The other group consists of donors who actively benefit from hiring undocumented workers (source, source, source).

The elite establishment, of which Trump and many of his millionaire/billionaire buddies belong. To them laws are for other people, not for them and the privilege that their money buys.

So how do you please both groups?

The solution appears to be staging high-profile deportations that grab headlines, while quietly doing little about the vast majority of undocumented immigrants already here.

Smoke and mirrors. The MAGAs are very easy to fool and grift off. They believe only what Trump and far right wing media tell them. They have no interest in looking into the facts.

Who devised that strategy?

The authors of Project 2025, many of whom now have powerful possitions in Trump's cabinet.

To be honest, I don't think Trump himself is shrewd enough to come up with it.

Trump is the salesman, the PR man, he certainly isn't the brains.

The fact that many in the MAGA movement are thrilled by these high-profile deportations — even when some of those deported may be innocent — suggests that at least part of the motive is revenge.

They want brown people removed from their White Christian nation. They want the libs being trolled, this is what delights many of them.

 

[Valletta]

The Trump administration is doing little to deport the millions of people living in the U.S. illegally but is actively deporting a few individuals — even some citizens — in ways that appear unusually cruel. Why?

My guess is that the administration is trying to please two very different groups of supporters.

While the Biden administration was even secretly flying in people as they claimed the border was safe, secure, and closed, Trump is keeping his word and has been consistent in first targeting the most violent of criminals. It's that simple.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

We seem incapable of discerning hatred from appropriate self protection.
Anyone different from me is a danger.

 

[stevil]

While the Biden administration was even secretly flying in people

This never happened. Just far right wing propaganda.

as they claimed the border was safe, secure, and closed, Trump is keeping his word and has been consistent in first targeting the most violent of criminals. It's that simple.

Except he isn't targeting violent criminals, he is targeting brown people. People with tattoos, people with USA husbands and daughters...
They actually aren't bothering to look into evidence, aren't bothering with due process.

 

[Lukaris]

You are the propagandist since the prior administration was discovered flying tens of thousands of migrants into America. They created this mess and perpetuated it leaving thousands in the lurch and every mistake in trying to correct it is called “racist” by propagandists,

Map shows hotspots for migrants flying into US

A Biden-approved parole program is being claimed by Republicans to further embody a broken immigration system.

www.newsweek.com

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[Aryeh Jay]

Now, this is worse than the Republican State Governors flying illegals deeper into the country, right? My doctor says my outrage is all over the place and I need to be more selective.

 

[stevil]

You are the propagandist since the prior administration was discovered flying tens of thousands of migrants into America. They created this mess and perpetuated it leaving thousands in the lurch and every mistake in trying to correct it is called “racist” by propagandists,

Map shows hotspots for migrants flying into US

A Biden-approved parole program is being claimed by Republicans to further embody a broken immigration system.

www.newsweek.com

When it comes to propaganda there are usually half truths to it in order to try and give it credibility, and then lots of spin as well as outright lies.

So, lets start with the factual stuff.
Yes there was a program to process immigrants from Cuban, Haitian, Nicaraguan, and Venezuelan quicker than was being previously processed.

OK, so now lets move onto the falsehoods.
Not flying immigrants in - The Biden administration was not flying anyone into the country. Some of these immigrants were flying themselves in, coming into a port of entry and applying for the (CHNV) program. Well actually some had applied pre-hand, got some sponsors (non government) etc, but they were then paying and arranging their own travels. Maybe some had a potential USA employer pay for travel (don't know), but government weren't paying for, or flying in anyone.
Not any secret - The CHNV program was published publically, it wasn't a secret.

The article you provided a link to says this.
"individuals with advanced travel authorization are responsible for arranging their own travel and for the cost of purchasing their own commercial airline ticket. "
"The CHNV parole processes are public; claims of a secret program are false."

If you are worried about immigrants not going through the vetting process, then you don't need to worry about that with the CHNV program, as stated in the article you linked to
"Through these processes, and if approved after screening and vetting, individuals with advanced travel authorization are responsible for arranging their own travel and for the cost of purchasing their own commercial airline ticket. Beneficiaries are also screened and inspected when arriving at an airport port of entry, where CBP Officers will inspect and consider them for a grant of discretionary parole on a case-by-case basis."

 

[Lukaris]

Despite the propaganda spread about this program, the coincidental rise of Venezuelan gang activity seems to indicate it didn’t vet as well as claimed. Originally the program was supposed to be for 24,000 Venezuelan parolees in 2022. By 2024, admissions of migrants had increased by over 20 times and added 3 more nations to accommodate. This is was all above board because according to propaganda, immigration laws must be wrong to begin with.

What Is ‘CHNV Parole’ — and Why Should You Care?

The sponsorship part of the CHNV program and the background checks are neither comprehensive nor secure.

cis.org

 

[Valletta]

This never happened. Just far right wing propaganda.

Except he isn't targeting violent criminals, he is targeting brown people. People with tattoos, people with USA husbands and daughters...
They actually aren't bothering to look into evidence, aren't bothering with due process.

What a horrible thing to say. Neither Trump nor his administration are targeting people because of the color of their skin, just the opposite, they are targeting racism in this country.

 

[stevil]

What a horrible thing to say.

Sorry you find it horrible, but it is factual.

Neither Trump nor his administration are targeting people because of the color of their skin, just the opposite, they are targeting racism in this country.

How many white people have they deported?

 

[doubtingmerle]

You are the propagandist since the prior administration was discovered flying tens of thousands of migrants into America. They created this mess and perpetuated it leaving thousands in the lurch and every mistake in trying to correct it is called “racist” by propagandists,

Map shows hotspots for migrants flying into US

A Biden-approved parole program is being claimed by Republicans to further embody a broken immigration system.

www.newsweek.com

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I thought we were talking about people who were here illegally. Now we turn to people that entered the country legally through the CHNV Parole program? Why? These people are here legally with temporary permission to come work here.

In what way are these people in the lurch? It has been a successful program for those coming in and for the American economy. What upsets you about this?

 

[MrMoe]

And so are people who speed and run red lights.

And so are people who speed and run red lights.

And they get punished accordingly when caught.

 

[MrMoe]

From what I am reading, hiring undocumented workers is a serious crime. The punishment can include 6 months in jail or shutting down the business. And yet 4.9% of the workforce is undocumented. Lots of companies are employing undocumented workers. Do you want all those employers to go to jail, and their companies to be shut down?

Don't worry, the government is not going to shut down General Motors and put the CEO in jail for 6 months if GM is guilty of this. The benefits of all these undocumented workers in America is so great, the government looks the other way.

Is this anger at millions of undocumented workers really an economic issue? Then why is there widespread approval within business and government for these undocumented workers being here?

Could it be that all this talk of mass deportation of undocumented workers is really based on a resentment or even a hatred for the undocumented, rather than a cold calculation of the financial benefits to the economy if we do a mass deportation?

I’m sure there are many American’s that feel resentment at the fact that illegal immigrants are being rewarded with jobs that other Americans might need or want and at a lower wage than most Americans are willing to work for. That’s completely normal.

 

[MrMoe]

And what is it that justifies the suggested harsh treatment of undocumented immigrants, asylum seekers and others? The mass deportation recommended by many is very harsh.

If the justification is to follow the letter of the law, why is that better than showing mercy?

If the justification is economic well-being of citizens, where is your evidence?

We’ve been told over and over again from left wingers that America is a systemically racist, white supremacist country now ruled by a Hitler loving wannabe dictator. If those on the left actually believed that, they would support Trump 100% in deporting these people. Trump removing these vulnerable people out of harms way to countries that will accept them and welcome them with open arms is the greatest mercy.
But since it’s clearly not what they want, it make me question if they actually believe what they claim about America.

 

[MrMoe]

It just blows your previous statement out of the water. Direct hit, sunk on impact.

? Which previous statement. I made a lot of statements.

 

[MrMoe]

Think about it. I know you will get it eventually, especially if you stop being scared and threatened.

I can’t read your mind. Only you know what you meant. So what is so horrific about picking almost exclusively white men?

Nah, Christians expecially Catholics, think that women shouldn't be priests or cardinals or popes, but that doesn't extend to leadership outside the church. Christianity isn't an excuse of misogyny.

Which are all leadership roles. That belief that men are the head would naturally transfer to leadership of the entire country.

I’m guessing you haven’t read the bible. It’s full of things you would consider misogynistic.

They have been in decline ever since the white man came to the Americas and started slaughtering them and stealing their land.

Don’t forget they slaughtered each other too.

Over time, just through normal statistic probabilities, women should have around 50% of the top jobs. All things being equal.
But if you look at what is actually happeneing, you will see there is a bias against women by the USA people, a lack of respect for women. Why is that?

This ignores the fact that men and women are different and that some jobs appeal more to men and some jobs appeal more to women.

Fun fact: in more egalitarian societies where both sexes are treated equally, the differences between the two sexes becomes more pronounced.

The more equal women and men are, the less they want the same things, study finds

Imagine an egalitarian society that treats women and men with equal respect, where both sexes are afforded the same opportunities, and the economy is strong.

www.latimes.com

And this contradicts what doubtingmerle claimed.
This is very much about quotas, getting 50/50 and equal outcomes.

Sorry but that’s not how the world works. Trying to force equal outcomes is a fool’s errand.

So why do you keep voting for white men? If skin colour doesn't matter?

They aren’t voted for because they are white, they are voted because they are believed to be the best person for the job, they just happen to be white most of the time since the majority of American’s population is white. Statistical probability as you said.

Why are the majority of NBA players black? Were they chosen because they are black or because they are the best basketball players and most of them just happen to be black?

 

[stevil]

I can’t read your mind. Only you know what you meant. So what is so horrific about picking almost exclusively white men?

I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people know what I meant.

Which are all leadership roles. That belief that men are the head would naturally transfer to leadership of the entire country.

Nope it doesn't transfer.
They have a belief that for some reason, Jesus/God didn't want woman priests, they don't understand it, but they believe this because the Catholic church has made an "infallible" edict on this. So they all obey, unquestionly. But this doesn't apply outside the church. The Catholic church has no issues what so ever with having female presidents and prime ministers

I’m guessing you haven’t read the bible. It’s full of things you would consider misogynistic.

Yeah, not the book for me, my values are better.

Don’t forget they slaughtered each other too.

irrelevant

Sorry but that’s not how the world works. Trying to force equal outcomes is a fool’s errand.

No one is asking for exactly equal outcomes. But your side are refusing to see that there is a problem, White men are refusing to see that there is a problem. I wonder why?

They aren’t voted for because they are white, they are voted because they are believed to be the best person for the job,

nah, that's not true.
Many USA folk have a much higher standard for women and non whites, because they have lots of core negative beliefs about them.
Some people were put off by Kamala because they didn't like her "cackle"