A review of what the New Testament says about the Great Babylon

[znpaaneah]

Who is the Great Babylon

I have heard many different theories, and every theory I have heard has been based on the Bible, but none of them put together all the pieces.

Matthew 1:11 and Josiah the father of Jechoniah and his brothers, at the time of the deportation to Babylon.

This is the first use of Babylon in the New Testament and it is used three times in chapter 1 of Matthew, every time with a reference to this word translated here as "deportation" (metoikesia).

Definition of metoikesia -- removal from one abode to another, esp. a forced removal

In the Old Testament there was a removal of people from Israel to Babylon. How about in the church age? This is a key criteria to identify Babylon in the New Testament. I think it is simple to eliminate Iraq, in all of the church history there has not been a great removal of people from one place to Iraq. I think we can also eliminate the Vatican. They might be the puppeteer but certainly there has been no great removal of people to go live in the Vatican. In fact, when I visited Taiwan and Asia that is what struck me, how homogenous the population was. There has not been a great removal of people to go live in Asia. No, during the last two thousand years there has been one great removal of people to go live in the New World. That can refer to both North and South America, but primarily it would refer to the US.

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[znpaaneah]

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[znpaaneah]

For those who prefer to listen rather than read I have put the first half of a discussion on this topic in Rumble.

https://rumble.com/v6s3cvt-who-is-the-great-babylon.html

I am not pushing a doctrine, I am simply looking at all the Bible verses and considering what location each one could be referring to. No doubt some can refer to the Vatican and some can refer to Israel, and some can even refer to the UK or France. But the only nation that can claim every reference can refer to them is the US. BTW the video probably won't be ready to view for another 5 minutes or so as it is still processing.

 

[znpaaneah]

2 Kings 17:24 And the king of Assyria brought people from Babylon, Cuthah, Avva, Hamath, and Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the people of Israel. And they took possession of Samaria and lived in its cities.

This is the first mention of Babylon in the Old Testament. We can therefore view modern Israel as being referred to here. When Israel was formed there was a removal of Jews from all over the world to the country, not as a Holy expression of God but rather as a mixture of pagan religions with the worship of God, hence "Samaria".

These are the two major "carrying away" of people during the church age.

Acts 7:43 You took up the tent of Moloch and the star of your god Rephan, the images that you made to worship; and I will send you into exile beyond Babylon.’

This is the only reference in the book of Acts, and it is past tense, and it is from Saint Stephen prior to his martyrdom. I view Acts as giving us a picture of the tribulation just as Ecclesiastes says: that which has been is that which shall be. The church age begins in the same way it will end. Stephen depicts the martyrs during the tribulation and Babylon is judged at the start, so his reference indicates why those who are left behind are left behind. He gives two reasons. First they took up the tent of Moloch. This is a reference to infanticide. Abortion is the modern equivalent. But "You took up" is not a reference to Pagans but to the people of God. Therefore this can apply equally to Christians and Jews during the church age. Both of these groups have covenants with God that would condemn idol worship and child sacrifice. Once again, this can apply to both the US and Israel. The second reason is they took of the star of your god Rephan. Anyone who knows the history of "Christmas" knows that the pagan origin of the star put on top of the tree is the Star Rephan. Now as a child I was taught that this star was the star of Bethlehem. "To the pure all things are pure". But trying to make Christmas a Christian holiday has never worked. Yes, there is wonderful worship of the Lord's incarnation, and beautiful hymns. But there is also Santa, an anagram for Satan, flying reindeer (a mockery of the rapture), a thief in the night who comes down the chimney and replaces our promises from God with junk from the mall, elves (magical creatures who depict demons and fallen angels hidden in the ice), a letter to Santa (teaching children to pray for things, that is to ask amiss). This is a holiday that celebrates lying, it is wrapped up in lies, and children learn to not trust their parents because they are liars. Children also assume these stories are all Biblical and therefore the Bible is also a lie. People worship these images that they made. Think of all the Christmas shows that they watch each year religiously. Every kid in America knows about the grinch, but few know that Christmas is not a Biblical holiday.

Without a doubt this doesn't just apply to the US but even more the Vatican and the Catholic church. Who do you think is the puppeteer pulling the strings? The celebration of Christmas as a Christian holiday is relatively new, taking off in England at the time of Queen Victoria.

At first Christmas seems magical, beautiful lights, the tree, the stockings, the stories. But eventually you realize the whole thing is just one big sham to push people to buy junk from the Mall. FDR made Thanksgiving a national holiday to promote people to go out and buy at the start of the Christmas season. It used to be people went around singing Christmas carols, hymns of God for the most part. But that has become exceedingly rare these days. Yes, the Christmas eve service may be beautiful at the church, but the reality is only about 1% of Americans go to that service while far more than that are going to Christmas parties with drunken excess and debauchery.

In the Old Testament we have this reference in the Psalms

137:1 By the waters of Babylon,
there we sat down and wept,
when we remembered Zion.
2 On the willows there
we hung up our lyres.
3 For there our captors
required of us songs,
and our tormentors, mirth, saying,
“Sing us one of the songs of Zion!”

Songs of mirth are a good reference to Christmas songs. 49% of the world's Jews live in the US, the other 49% live in Israel. This is a good description of Jews in America. They are like captives required to sing these Christmas songs and now because of DEI we require the Jews at this time to sing one of their songs. Growing up my best friend was named Joshua and he was a Russian Jew. They found it very difficult to live in the US during the time of Christmas. I think that was the hardest time for him.

So this now ties the three big theories together. The Vatican is not where people were carried off to, but they are the ones teaching others to carry the star of Rephan. So far everything is pointing to the US as the Great Babylon, while Israel is like Samaria was, the land being repopulated with a mixed multitude from Babylon.

 

[znpaaneah]

Here is a link to part 2 of this discussion if anyone would rather listen to a rumble video than read this.

Who is the Great Babylon (part 2)

This walks through Revelation 18 and Micah 4 to prove that the verses must be referring to the US and can't possibly be referring to any of the other "contenders".

rumble.com

Who is the Great Babylon (part 2)​

 

[Valletta]

Without a doubt this doesn't just apply to the US but even more the Vatican and the Catholic church. Who do you think is the puppeteer pulling the strings? The celebration of Christmas as a Christian holiday is relatively new, taking off in England at the time of Queen Victoria.

The feast day of Christmas was first celebrated by Catholics in 354 A.D.. Realize that the Catholic Church was persecuted and forbidden by Roman law up until the early 300s.

 

[znpaaneah]

The feast day of Christmas was first celebrated by Catholics in 354 A.D.. Realize that the Catholic Church was persecuted and forbidden by Roman law up until the early 300s.

Yes, but Catholic holidays were not celebrated in Protestant nations like the UK and and the US. This is not a thread to debate about Christmas so I don't want to derail the thread, but I think everyone should be able to agree that much of what has become part of the celebration of Christmas is not in the New Testament. I have preached the gospel to many people who assumed that Santa, reindeer, North pole and christmas trees were in the Bible and that Jesus was born on December 25th. I think there is no doubt that people have been misled, or deceived, by this holiday. Also, either you believe in coincidences (which I don't) or you believe that it is not a coincidence that December 25th is a Bablyonian holiday to the birth of their god.

 

[Valletta]

Yes, but Catholic holidays were not celebrated in Protestant nations like the UK and and the US. This is not a thread to debate about Christmas so I don't want to derail the thread, but I think everyone should be able to agree that much of what has become part of the celebration of Christmas is not in the New Testament. I have preached the gospel to many people who assumed that Santa, reindeer, North pole and christmas trees were in the Bible and that Jesus was born on December 25th. I think there is no doubt that people have been misled, or deceived, by this holiday. Also, either you believe in coincidences (which I don't) or you believe that it is not a coincidence that December 25th is a Bablyonian holiday to the birth of their god.

There is not much about the Holy Trinity in the Bible, in fact I think someone without any Christian background would be hard pressed to realize they is a Holy Trinity. As to December 25th, it was the date of the Feast of the Dedication of the Temple of Jerusalem instituted by Judas Maccabee. Hippolytus of Rome stated in his comments about the Book of the Prophet Daniel (circa 205 A.D.) that Jesus was born on December 25th.

 

[beedoux]

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[znpaaneah]

There is not much about the Holy Trinity in the Bible, in fact I think someone without any Christian background would be hard pressed to realize they is a Holy Trinity. As to December 25th, it was the date of the Feast of the Dedication of the Temple of Jerusalem instituted by Judas Maccabee. Hippolytus of Rome stated in his comments about the Book of the Prophet Daniel (circa 205 A.D.) that Jesus was born on December 25th.

This is not a thread concerning Christmas. The point was simply that even though the Catholic church made it a holiday, the Protestant churches weren't celebrating it until much later, and when you look at Britain and the US, the celebration really began around the time of Queen Victoria.

 

[znpaaneah]

Literally interpreted 'Babylon the Great' indicates a large false religion - AKA - ISLAM!

Babylon the great describes every single brick having the name of an idol on it. Also, few if any of the verses describing Babylon describe Islam or an Islamic nation. There is no Islamic city that rules over the whole earth. There is no Islamic nation that is the glory of the whole earth. There is no Islamic nation that the Jews will return to Israel from. 49% of the world's Jews live in Israel and the other 49% live in the US. Is there an Islamic nation that celebrates the star of Rephan or carries the tent of Moloch?

 

[znpaaneah]

1 Peter 5:13 She who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings, and so does Mark, my son.

This is the only reference in the epistles. Peter started this epistle writing to those in the dispersion. He was writing from Babylon. Think of the church as a dandelion. When Jesus was crucified the seed was planted. At pentecost it sprouted. Then in 70 AD God blew on Jerusalem and all the seeds were scattered to the different parts of the world. Babylon depicts a great empire with all the languages of the world. This is what we saw during the church age. The Bible has been translated into 3,756 languages based on one google search. That was the point of Pentecost, everyone heard the good news in their native language. Peter was a great evangelist and this depicts the message to the world coming from him and he is in Babylon.

You could argue that the Vatican has been responsible for sending out the gospel message to the whole earth. Perhaps. You could look at Britain as the place where great evangelical missions first came from. But today it is absolutely clear that the US is the base of the evangelistic message going out. Youtube and the Internet were both started here. Gideon's began here and have sent out 2.6 billion bibles worldwide. Evangelists, missions, and the word of God are all being sent out from the US, not from Britain, and certainly not from the Vatican who have actually condemned Evangelical Christians.

Isaiah 13:19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the splendor and pomp of the Chaldeans, will be like Sodom and Gomorrah when God overthrew them.

You can say a lot of things about Iraq or the Vatican but this does not describe them. It does apply to the US and to Israel. Isn't it interesting that Babylon, generally considered to be both a city and a kingdom is compared to two cities. There may be many countries that have treaties with Israel, and are on good terms with them. But when it comes to countries who stand shoulder to shoulder with Israel it is only the US. Today we think of the US and Israel, and so far all these verses in both the Old and New Testament concerning Babylon describe the US and Israel. Does the Catholic church play a role? Sure, but the Vatican is not the land of Babylon. Yes, I know we will come to the verse about seven hills, but we have not got there yet.

 

[beedoux]

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[pasifika]

Hi, Babylon the great refers to a great city.

 

[znpaaneah]

Hi, Babylon the great refers to a great city.

Washington DC is that great city that rules over the whole earth -- King Dollar.

 

[bniffty24]

Revelation 18 speaks about slavery and I just can't see America reverting back to that.
Plus Babylon seems to be importing just about everything , even sheep cattle and wood which America has plenty of.

And where doe's Babylon get her money from to afford all these luxuries?
I can't help but think of somewhere that looks like a desert where money is made off oil.

 

[znpaaneah]

Revelation 14:8 Another angel, a second, followed, saying, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, she who made all nations drink the wine of the passion[a] of her sexual immorality.”

This doesn't simply say that Babylon is like Sodom and Gomorrah. That could apply to many places, Israel, France, Italy, Greece, Thailand, etc. No, this says that she makes the nations drink the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality. No one can say that Thailand, Greece or Israel is making anyone drink the wine of her sexual immorality. There are French movies, and Italian movies, but if you are going to ascribe this to the movie industry then we are talking about Hollywood. Interestingly, much of Hollywood is controlled by people who claim they are Jewish (though it is more likely they are descended from Esau and not Jacob). So you can tie Hollywood to both the US and to the Jews. It may also be that behind the scenes the Catholic bank is financing movies that do this, but to be fair I have no proof. My point is this verse also points to the US as the land of Babylon while not ruling out the references to Israel and the Vatican.

You can say a lot of things about Islam, but one thing is for sure, they have not "made all nations to drink the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality." That could only refer to Hollywood.

 

[znpaaneah]

Revelation 18 speaks about slavery and I just can't see America reverting back to that.
Plus Babylon seems to be importing just about everything , even sheep cattle and wood which America has plenty of.

And where doe's Babylon get her money from to afford all these luxuries?
I can't help but think of somewhere that looks like a desert where money is made off oil.

Have you seen the movie "The Sound of Freedom"? Have you heard about Epstein island and Diddy parties? There are many, many people in the US who have illegals as maids and help, they hold their passports and are kept essentially as slaves. Then of course there are sweat shops which make all the stuff Americans buy. The people working in these are slaves. They make the shoes and other clothing items sold in America. Slavery is bigger now than it ever was.

 

[pasifika]

Washington DC is that great city that rules over the whole earth -- King Dollar.

The city sits on many nations..(peoples,tongues etc)