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Just enough to kill every man woman and child in America.

No big deal.

Our enemies are killing Americans intentionally, so we are asking neighbors for extra help to defend ourselves from the attack.

People who don't want to help us clearly side with our nations enemies. It would be sad if Canada chose to be our enemy, since we have always seen them as friends.
It is too bad Magadonia is choosing to make Canada an enemy when they have been friends for as long as they existed.
 
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It is too bad Magadonia is choosing to make Canada an enemy when they have been friends for as long as they existed.

It's too bad our friends are shoving poison across our border.

We are just asking for a little more effort on the part of neighboring countries. I'm very suspect of anyone who thinks it's too much to ask when we are dying in droves.

It's kind of offensive that people think it's asking too much for neighboring countries to fight drug trafficking going through their own country.

I know it's kinda celebratory when white people die or something for people, but these are our countrymen and the status quo of death to Americans doesn't work for me.
 
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  1. Canada has there share of fentanyl problem. 2024, approximately 79% of all accidental opioid toxicity deaths in Canada involved fentanyl. This percentage has increased significantly since 2016.
Yes, I was just trying to work out why we have fentanyl in Europe is it is only for killing Americans... :scratch:

If I could suggest that it is probably greed that is motivating the distribution of the stuff ? "10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs" 1 Timothy 6:10 NIV
 
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I am not interested in provocative language such as "our enemy is killing us intentionally." I am interested in facts.

  1. The fact is that less than 0.05% of fentanyl comes from Canada.
  2. The Canadian government does not send drugs to the USA.
  3. Unlike Mexico, Venezuela, or China, Canada is a democracy with a law and order system similar to the USA. The Canadian government or law enforcement is not associated with drug dealers, unlike some countries near our southern border.
  4. Canada has there share of fentanyl problem. 2024, approximately 79% of all accidental opioid toxicity deaths in Canada involved fentanyl. This percentage has increased significantly since 2016.

Thank you.

Going after Canada is nuts....and stupid.

But congratulations Trump. Canadians are now united after you threatened their sovereignty. Boycotting American imports is now a thing from what I read......
 
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It's too bad our friends are shoving poison across our border.

But Canada is not "shoving poison" across the border. Drug traffickers are stealthy and sneaking it across.


The polemic and inflammatory language in your post is not helpful.
We are just asking for a little more effort on the part of neighboring countries. I'm very suspect of anyone who thinks it's too much to ask when we are dying in droves.

It's kind of offensive that people think it's asking too much for neighboring countries to fight drug trafficking going through their own country.

I know it's kinda celebratory when white people die or something for people, but these are our countrymen and the status quo of death to Americans doesn't work for me.
It is a shame that the only way Trump seems to ask for more effort is by threatening tariffs and playing at being a strongman. He actually had Trudeau's cooperation back in December, perhaps after that meeting down in Florida. There was no need to hurt the stock market and alienate our Canadian friends cause so much angst about it. He didn't need to exaggerate the amounts of drugs coming over the border from the north.
 
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I respectfully disagree with your statement. Your information appears to be inaccurate.

Here are the facts



Less than 0.5% of illegal drugs entering the USA originate from Canada.

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In 2024 US Customs and Border Protection agents seized just 43 pounds of fentanyl at the Canadian border last year, according to statistics released publicly by the agency. Meanwhile, about 21,100 pounds of fentanyl were seized at the Mexican border.
43 pounds = 19504 million milligrams.
it takes as low as 2 milligrams to kill a human being
that means enough fentanyl was taken from the northern border to kill almost 10 million adult humans.

but that is not alot. so who really cares (smh)
 
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I am not interested in provocative language such as "our enemy is killing us intentionally." I am interested in facts.

  1. The fact is that less than 0.05% of fentanyl comes from Canada.
  2. The Canadian government does not send drugs to the USA.
  3. Unlike Mexico, Venezuela, or China, Canada is a democracy with a law and order system similar to the USA. The Canadian government or law enforcement is not associated with drug dealers, unlike some countries near our southern border.
  4. Canada has there share of fentanyl problem. 2024, approximately 79% of all accidental opioid toxicity deaths in Canada involved fentanyl. This percentage has increased significantly since 2016.
so then they should do something out it.
 
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Drug traffickers are stealthy and sneaking it across.

It's coming from their country.

If they upheld their supposed laws and had some border security maybe they could shut down all drug trafficking out of their country.

Wouldn't that be nice?

It's certainly something appropriate to ask when the drugs coming from their country is killing our citizens..
 
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It's coming from their country.

If they upheld their supposed laws and had some border security maybe they could shut down all drug trafficking out of their country.

Wouldn't that be nice?

It's certainly something appropriate to ask when the drugs coming from their country is killing our citizens..
They have done a great deal and continue to do that. As we have not stopped drug trafficking inside the US, isn't rather hypocritical to criticize Canada for not stopping it 100% even though they are working on it?

I don't think folks understand the extremes drug traffickers go to to smuggle it in. The most extreme that I have heard of was from a Cook county pharmacist and botanist who is an expert in the drug situation. He gives lectures to medical groups. A nurse was flying from Brazil from Rio, and was across the aisle from a woman holding an infant. It was a very long flight - about 11 hours. After many hours, the nurse eventually became aware that the baby never cried, and was not fed and didn't move. She spoke to a stewardess about it. They really couldn't see the baby,
Police met them on landing and interviewed the lady. The baby was not alive and in fact had had the insides removed (bowel, heart, lungs, etc) and then was stuffed with packet of heroin sewn up and make up put on the face and arms to hide the blueness. It was sickening.
The woman was arrested but the really guilty people were in Brazil.
Those awful drug dealers go to extremes and fighting it is a constant battle.
 
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But Canada is not "shoving poison" across the border. Drug traffickers are stealthy and sneaking it across.
Because of their loose policies of enforcing their border - whic his why President Trump imposed a tariff and then they moved to enforce them - N
The polemic and inflammatory language in your post is not helpful.
Neither is this:

It is too bad Magadonia is choosing to make Canada an enemy when they have been friends for as long as they existed.​
That's far from helpful language - did we now make up an inflammatory nickname that is acceptable?

It is a shame that the only way Trump seems to ask for more effort is by threatening tariffs and playing at being a strongman.
He is playing strongman because he actually has a backbone and will do what is right for the people of the US. Thank God the weakness has left and common sense has returned.
He actually had Trudeau's cooperation back in December, perhaps after that meeting down in Florida. There was no need to hurt the stock market and alienate our Canadian friends cause so much angst about it. He didn't need to exaggerate the amounts of drugs coming over the border from the north.
He did follow through on a campaign promise and spent three days making it happen instead of the previous administrations feckless actions that made no difference in four years.
 
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As we have not stopped drug trafficking inside the US, isn't rather hypocritical t

We have to stop the drugs coming INTO this country before we can do much about our drug traffickers.

We aren't manufacturing... Canada seems to be, Mexico is...

Stop the manufacturing centers from distribution and trafficking into the US and it will be easier to stop our people from trying to pick it up, because there won't be anything to pick up.
 
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Because of their loose policies of enforcing their border - whic his why President Trump imposed a tariff and then they moved to enforce them - N
It wasn't loosened. They always look for drug traffickers on both sides.

Neither is this:


That's far from helpful language - did we now make up an inflammatory nickname that is acceptable?
Trump coined the word Magadonia. Complain to him. You can buy merchandise with that word on it from pro-Trump sites and Amazon.

He is playing strongman because he actually has a backbone and will do what is right for the people of the US. Thank God the weakness has left and common sense has returned.

He did follow through on a campaign promise and spent three days making it happen instead of the previous administrations feckless actions that made no difference in four years.
He didn't spend the 3 days on it to make it happen. With Canada, he had it back in December.
With Mexico, he could have use diplomacy as in "let's work together to stop ____' as partners rather than threaten and bluster.

But it is a way to distract people from the real threat to the US being carried out by Musk.
 
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He didn't spend the 3 days on it to make it happen. With Canada, he had it back in December.
With Mexico, he could have use diplomacy as in "let's work together to stop ____' as partners rather than threaten and bluster.
We have been using diplomacy for four years - didn't work until we had a President with the backbone to put muscle behind it. And it took three days to accomplish what four years of diplomacy never did. - by the way - this can also be considered diplomacy.

BTW - it is both the US and her closest allies working together to stop drugs. It just took someone with backbone to stop talking about it and make it a reality. Three days vs four years....
But it is a way to distract people from the real threat to the US being carried out by Musk.
Are we changing the topic now?
 
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We have been using diplomacy for four years - didn't work until we had a President with the backbone to put muscle behind it.
Is this post talking about implementing the plans that were made during the Biden administration?
 
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We have been using diplomacy for four years - didn't work until we had a President with the backbone to put muscle behind it. And it took three days to accomplish what four years of diplomacy never did

Don't you think it is a wee bit early to call it a win? Wouldn't it be a better idea to evaluate the data on fentanyl imports, addiction rates, deaths, etc. 6 months or 1 year from now to see if U.S., Canada, & Mexico's actions actually move the needle in what matters?
 
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We have been using diplomacy for four years - didn't work until we had a President with the backbone to put muscle behind it. And it took three days to accomplish what four years of diplomacy never did. - by the way - this can also be considered diplomacy.

Curious - what word did you bypass by using ___?
Drug trafficking, sex trafficking or something like that.
I didn't bypass. I put "_____" there to indicate whatever the president wanted to address with the other country.
No, I was not bypassing a profanity, though I see sex trafficking and drug trafficking as profane.

Sadly, I fear drug trafficking is a continuous thing like having poor people. Did Jesus say we will always have the poor?


Are we changing the topic now?
No. I think Trump is using the tariff threats to Canada and Mexico to distracting people away from what Musk is doing
 
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No.
Come on, it is OK to admit that Trump made a mistake here.

No. He did not make a mistake. I am not behind the drug trade.

I don't know about the legalisation of pot, I think I'm kind of against it but there's a definite argument on the other side.

But stuff like fentanyl and all that kind of stuff? You better believe I want the government on top of it making it near impossible to even get.

I support Donald Trump pressuring Canada to put forth a lot more effort. They are manufacturing up there, you don't have 43 pounds of busts without manufacturing.
 
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so then they should do something out it.

Canada, like the United States, is engaged in a "war on drugs." Despite 50 years of efforts, victory remains elusive. The issue persists not due to governmental incapacity but because greed-driven individuals continue to exploit others for profit, making it difficult to eliminate illegal drugs from society.

Requesting Canada to address the issue of illegal drugs entering the United States is analogous to Canada requesting the U.S. government to prevent illegal firearms from entering Canada. The U.S. government does not export illegal firearms to Canada, just as the Canadian government does not send illegal drugs to the United States. Given the 5,000-mile border with minimal border enforcement on both sides, criminal activities exploit this situation, resulting in the smuggling of firearms into Canada and illegal drugs into the United States from Canada. There is limited action that either country can take to fully resolve this issue.

As many have already stated, only 0.5% of fentanyl enters the United States from Canada. It is unquestionably unrealistic to stop something that constitutes only 0.5%.
 
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