Palisades Fire live updates: Wildfires spread in Los Angeles, prompting mandatory evacuations, as Santa Ana winds expected to intensify

[iluvatar5150]

The right would want them to save a plant?

It was the LA Dept of Power and Water who were trying to replace the poles when a private citizen sued them.

 

[BPPLEE]

It was the LA Dept of Power and Water who were trying to replace the poles when a private citizen sued them.

Replacing the old poles with steel ones is a good idea

 

[essentialsaltes]

The combination of conditions were unprecedented:

Maybe not totally unprecedented.

- Virtually no rain in 2024.

Exceptional drought

-Santa Ana Winds combined with anther wether front to produce winds in excess of 80 mph.

Strong southerly winds (with wind gusts up to 87 mph) created by mountain waves

Once those fires started (under investigation), there is no possible way for humans to stop them.

Pretty much.

2016 Great Smoky Mountains wildfires​

The Great Smoky Mountains wildfires were the deadliest wildfires in Tennessee,[12] as well as the deadliest wildfires in the eastern U.S.since the Great Fires of 1947,

 

[keith99]

A big deal is being made of the Santa Ynez Reservoir being empty. After all 117 million gallons of water is quite a bit.

It turns out that really would not have made any difference.

Water is supplied to Pacific Palisades from the Stone Canyon Reservoir through a 36 inch pipe.

Stone Canyon is actually 2 reservoirs. Lower Stone Canyon Reservoir has a capacity of 3.38 billion gallons.

The problem is that the water in Lower Stone Canyon Reservoir does not meet drinking water standards. If it were introduced into the system tap water would not be drinkable for most of the westside.

Also Stone Canyon is at an elevation 0f 847 feet, compared to 730 for Santa Ynez Reservoir.

Elevation is crucial for water delivery. Much of Pacific Palisades is well above 1000 feet. So what really matters is the pumping capacity.

BTW that is one of 2 things making proposals to use salt water to supply fire trucks laughable. Any salt water starts at sea level. 847 feet lower than plentiful fresh water. And introducing salt water into the water system would render all water to the westside undrinkable. (The water that goes to your home uses the same water mains as the fire hydrants. This is standard everywhere).

 

[wing2000]

A big deal is being made of the Santa Ynez Reservoir being empty. After all 117 million gallons of water is quite a bit.

It turns out that really would not have made any difference.

Water is supplied to Pacific Palisades from the Stone Canyon Reservoir through a 36 inch pipe.

Stone Canyon is actually 2 reservoirs. Lower Stone Canyon Reservoir has a capacity of 3.38 billion gallons.

The problem is that the water in Lower Stone Canyon Reservoir does not meet drinking water standards. If it were introduced into the system tap water would not be drinkable for most of the westside.

Also Stone Canyon is at an elevation 0f 847 feet, compared to 730 for Santa Ynez Reservoir.

Elevation is crucial for water delivery. Much of Pacific Palisades is well above 1000 feet. So what really matters is the pumping capacity.

BTW that is one of 2 things making proposals to use salt water to supply fire trucks laughable. Any salt water starts at sea level. 847 feet lower than plentiful fresh water. And introducing salt water into the water system would render all water to the westside undrinkable. (The water that goes to your home uses the same water mains as the fire hydrants. This is standard everywhere).

...alas, those who want to label local officials as idiots will continue to do so. I'm amazed at how quick people are to lay blame without understanding the details of any given situation and location.

 

[Hans Blaster]

That means they also take in more money than other states through taxes so you could argue that they shouldn’t get as much federal money as states that take in less

The whole "donor state" thing has nothing to do with state taxes collected. It is about federal tax collection and federal expenditures. It should have no impact on the disaster relief to California's property owners or municipalities. Disaster relief is tied to damages, not wealth. (And that $4B you've been complaining about is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the damage which is at least $100B and the disaster hasn't even stopped yet.)

We don't make the same argument about social security payments to retirees. SS taxes and SS payments are made directly from and to the individual without regard to where they live (and move with them if they retire out of state). We don't require wealthy states to pay part of the SS incomes of their residents. This should be no different.

 

[Hans Blaster]

2016 Great Smoky Mountains wildfires​

The Great Smoky Mountains wildfires were the deadliest wildfires in Tennessee,[12] as well as the deadliest wildfires in the eastern U.S.since the Great Fires of 1947,

I know people in that area and have been to those mountains a few times (including once to the burned area a few years later). When that fire happened it was the first time I'd ever seen a fire storm. There was footage of cars driving through the burning forest. Two years later another firestorm and similar footage from the Camp Fire in No. Cal. (Like these fires, powered by katabatic winds.) Fortunately the firestorm footage for this fire has not featured evacuation videos past burning trees or buildings. Very extreme all three.

 

[RDKirk]

I don't know what that has to do with a cold winter in Texas.

The point is that some people are planning to endure climate change.

 

[BPPLEE]

The whole "donor state" thing has nothing to do with state taxes collected. It is about federal tax collection and federal expenditures. It should have no impact on the disaster relief to California's property owners or municipalities. Disaster relief is tied to damages, not wealth. (And that $4B you've been complaining about is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the damage which is at least $100B and the disaster hasn't even stopped yet.)

We don't make the same argument about social security payments to retirees. SS taxes and SS payments are made directly from and to the individual without regard to where they live (and move with them if they retire out of state). We don't require wealthy states to pay part of the SS incomes of their residents. This should be no different.

I'm not the one bragging about how much money California sends to the federal government.

 

[Chesterton]

The point is that some people are planning to endure climate change.

Is the Navy planning for cooling or warming?

 

[Chesterton]

I'm not the one bragging about how much money California sends to the federal government.

When a state enacts policies and taxation which forces the working class and middle class to move out of state, it's going to be left with a disproportionate number of millionaires.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I'm not the one bragging about how much money California sends to the federal government.

And neither am I. It is irrelevant.

 

[BPPLEE]

Is the Navy planning for cooling or warming?

If evolution is true we will either adapt or go extinct. Isn't that how it works?

 

[RDKirk]

Is the Navy planning for cooling or warming?

The Navy is watching for effects critical to its operation, in this case, the lowering of sea levels at East Coast bases.

 

[Apple Sky]

When a state enacts policies and taxation which forces the working class and middle class to move out of state, it's going to be left with a disproportionate number of millionaires.

I'm just amazed how none of the trees were burnt this has to tell you something, did they use a directed-energy weapon (DEW) that is a ranged weapon that damages its target with highly focused energy ?

I reckon DEW was also used in Hawaii in order to obtain land to rebuild the buildings of there choice. Also you will notice that these fires are always in a prime location usually on the coast line also any house that did not burn was painted blue like Oprah Winfrey's house.

 

[RDKirk]

Here is a Texas builder on YouTube that I follow. He's got some interesting thoughts about a couple of homes that survived the fire while the homes around them were destroyed (one being Tom Hanks's home). They didn't survive by luck.

 

[KCfromNC]

...alas, those who want to label local officials as idiots will continue to do so. I'm amazed at how quick people are to lay blame without understanding the details of any given situation and location.

Perhaps confidently repeating talking points from biased sources can feel like having expert-level knowledge, in a Dunning-Kruger kind of way.

 

[Nithavela]

Here is a Texas builder on YouTube that I follow. He's got some interesting thoughts about a couple of homes that survived the fire while the homes around them were destroyed (one being Tom Hanks's home). They didn't survive by luck.

Building like that is probably more expensive than the usual style of US buildings of a wooden frame with cardboard sheets between them.

 

[BCP1928]

If evolution is true we will either adapt or go extinct. Isn't that how it works?

LOL. Civilization will collapse long before that and the number of humans will be drastically reduced to the point where they no longer have large-scale effects on their environment.

 

[Apple Sky]

Here is a Texas builder on YouTube that I follow. He's got some interesting thoughts about a couple of homes that survived the fire while the homes around them were destroyed (one being Tom Hanks's home). They didn't survive by luck.

I still think it's strange how the trees didn't burn.