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Palisades Fire live updates: Wildfires spread in Los Angeles, prompting mandatory evacuations, as Santa Ana winds expected to intensify

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  • Forecast: The National Weather Service said Santa Ana wind gusts early Sunday could reach 60 to 70 miles per hour in mountain areas of Los Angeles and Ventura counties. They were expected to diminish in the afternoon before stronger offshore winds develop on Monday night and last through Wednesday, conditions that could help the wildfires spread further, the service said.

Until the weather patterns change, fire will be a continuing risk in So. CA and across the Southwest. There has been no rain this winter - Jan-Feb are typically the wettest months of the year.
 
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Over the last several years, the Los Angeles Fire Department (LAFD) attempted to renovate itself to be more "equitable and inclusive" in region known for dire wildfire risk and vulnerable suburbs.
Should Kristin Crowley, the department's first openly LGBTQ chief, have paid more attention to firefighting preparation and fire prevention instead of promoting politicized social justice?
Vast swaths of LA are now burning.

A section of LA burns
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Woke LAFD initiatives include a chart to track the race of every employee to ensure diversity — "engaging the voices and respecting the humanity," workshops on implicit bias to "advance equity," and a goal to double the percentage of female firefighters.
The LAFD desired to promote DEI even above technological innovation and disaster recovery capability, it is said.

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Lol, seriously? You don’t think that second photo is real, do you?

Also, your “article” (if you can even call it that) doesn’t cite any sources for its claims. Their only source for the claim that they gave a higher priority to DEI is “it is said.”
 
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Lol, seriously? You don’t think that second photo is real, do you?

Also, your “article” (if you can even call it that) doesn’t cite any sources for its claims. Their only source for the claim that they gave a higher priority to DEI is “it is said.”
The second photo is a joke, it didn't come with that article
 
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Lol, seriously? You don’t think that second photo is real, do you?

Also, your “article” (if you can even call it that) doesn’t cite any sources for its claims. Their only source for the claim that they gave a higher priority to DEI is “it is said.”

Deputy Fire Chief Kristine Larson says the department priority is that residents in crisis are rescued by first responders that “look like” them.

“You want to see somebody that responds to your house, your emergency—whether it’s a medical call or a fire call—that looks like you,” Larson says.
 
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Yeah, wetlands generally don't have wildfires.
Actually, we do have fires in the Everglades.

But that's irrelevant, since I was talking about forrests, not wetlands.


Florida gets billions in aid nearly every year. People with more sense than to live in hurricane prone areas are on the hook for that, too.

Or we could remember a certain other president who wanted to withhold disaster aid from California until he was told how Orange County went red in 2016.
Irrelevant.
 
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"I don't like it."

A white cis hetero able Christian man doesn't like something! Quick, what can we do to help serve him better?

When a white cis hetero Christian man is in the majority then politicians really should consider using their tax dollars appropriately, for what the taxes are supposed to cover, or face reelection consequences.

To pretend we can kill off the majority through bad policy and face no consequences is a ridiculous assumption.
 
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To pretend we can kill off the majority through bad policy
That escalated quickly. The thing Kirk was complaining about was a sign language interpreter on a disaster briefing.
 
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Will Rogers’ ranch home. Pasadena Waldorf School. Robert Bridges House. The Bunny Museum. Andrew McNally House. Theatre Palisades. The Zane Grey Estate.

The Los Angeles Conservancy said Friday afternoon that 32 properties it considered historic because of their architectural or cultural significance were claimed by the fires, which have destroyed or damaged more than 9,000 structures.

Some of the historic buildings, including Altadena’s Zane Grey Estate and [Will] Rogers’ Western-style Palisades home, had formal landmark status on the National Register of Historic Places or another list. But others, such as Fox’s Restaurant in Altadena and Theatre Palisades, were considered important in part because of their status as beloved community spaces.

Some of Altadena’s notable properties, Zorthian Ranch and the Bunny Museum among them, tell the story of the community’s long-standing role as a haven for free spirits, mystics and counterculture figures.

He and his wife, Kim Cooper, the other founder of Esotouric tours, were particularly upset over the loss of the Theosophical Library Center.

Other notable losses in Altadena include its homes. The Andrew McNally House was built by the eponymous mapmaking impresario who co-founded publisher Rand McNally. Constructed in 1887, the Queen Anne-style mansion, privately owned, was on the National Register of Historic Places.
 
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Will Rogers’ ranch home. Pasadena Waldorf School. Robert Bridges House. The Bunny Museum. Andrew McNally House. Theatre Palisades. The Zane Grey Estate.

The Los Angeles Conservancy said Friday afternoon that 32 properties it considered historic because of their architectural or cultural significance were claimed by the fires, which have destroyed or damaged more than 9,000 structures.

Some of the historic buildings, including Altadena’s Zane Grey Estate and [Will] Rogers’ Western-style Palisades home, had formal landmark status on the National Register of Historic Places or another list. But others, such as Fox’s Restaurant in Altadena and Theatre Palisades, were considered important in part because of their status as beloved community spaces.

Some of Altadena’s notable properties, Zorthian Ranch and the Bunny Museum among them, tell the story of the community’s long-standing role as a haven for free spirits, mystics and counterculture figures.

He and his wife, Kim Cooper, the other founder of Esotouric tours, were particularly upset over the loss of the Theosophical Library Center.

Other notable losses in Altadena include its homes. The Andrew McNally House was built by the eponymous mapmaking impresario who co-founded publisher Rand McNally. Constructed in 1887, the Queen Anne-style mansion, privately owned, was on the National Register of Historic Places.
 
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That escalated quickly. The thing Kirk was complaining about was a sign language interpreter on a disaster briefing.

It didn't really escalate, these fires are proof that few actually care on the left about people's lives and property.

Oh well, just another preventable left wing apocalypse, is the general attitude ..

Yeah, not. People need to stop spitting on the majority who pay taxes just because they expect services rendered at a high quality.
 
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A critical question became why the largest city in California, a state that has spent years fortifying itself against wildfires, couldn’t stop the firesthis time. State regulations required residents in high-risk neighborhoods to create vegetation-free buffers around their homes. California had invested billions of dollars to reduce the amount of woody fuel for fires to burn. It boasted the largest firefighting force in the nation.

Yet within a few days, decades-old communities and beloved landmarks were gone, and residents were left asking why.

Experts said several key factors — including urban sprawl, a resistance to clearing vegetation around homes, and a water system that’s not designed to combat multiple major blazes at once — left L.A. exposed to disaster.

The two communities decimated by fires, Altadenaand the Pacific Palisades, were built decades ago at the foothills of mountains that frequently burn ... before many subdivision or building code requirements for wildfire hazards took effect.

[As a side note, just as I question rebuilding efforts in hurricane prone regions without taking climate change into account, similar questions arise here and certainly anything would need to adhere to the current building codes.]

In California, people living in risky areas are required to maintain a buffer around their homes — a five-foot perimeter free of vegetation known as “defensible space.”

But in practice, the rules haven’t been followed uniformly. Many homeowners are reluctant to remove wooden fences, replant their gardens and trim the lower limbs on pine trees.

For nearly two decades, volunteers in Altadena have come together each spring to cut the grass and clear invasive weeds from around their neighborhood, tucked into the foothills of the Angeles National Forest. They share a profound sense of their vulnerability to wildfire.

the group’s offers to help residents create fire buffers around their homes were often ignored. Last spring, the group’s mowing and weeding led to contentious exchanges with neighbors upset over the weed whackers’ noise, he said.

Some of the most desirable homes in the Palisades were built high on bluffs or in steep canyons that run from the mountains to the ocean. “The houses are perfectly aligned with the direction of the prevailing Santa Ana winds,”

Managing the grasses, bushes and shrubs on these hillsides is “physically impossible” Lunder said. “You would have to send someone down on rope with a chainsaw

Researchers say that while climate change is making fires larger and more destructive, there’s another contributing factor: more than a century of federal policies that called for all fires to be extinguished, no matter how small, which contributed to the buildup of dead vegetation. Federal and California land managers no longer embrace that approach — they now use thinning and intentionally set fires to clear away fuel.

But this work is expensive and, at the federal level, is underfunded.

“There’s no urban water system engineered and constructed to combat wildfire,” said Michael McNutt, a spokesman for the Las Virgenes Municipal Water District, which serves 75,000 people in northwest Los Angeles County. The system was intended to supply water to homes and businesses, he said, and to help fire crews defend a large structure or several homes, not multiple neighborhoods at once.

As homes burned, water continued to flow through their pipes even as they ruptured or melted.
 
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Actually, we do have fires in the Everglades.

But that's irrelevant, since I was talking about forrests, not wetlands.
According to Wikipedia:
As of December 3, there were a total of 2,656 wildfires, burning 101,188 acres (158.106 sq mi) across the state.​
According to WeatherSpark:

The average rainfall accumulated over the course of a sliding 31-day period centered on the day in question.

RainfallJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDec
Wellington1.9″2.1″2.5″2.5″3.6″6.0″5.0″5.3″5.5″3.8″2.3″1.6″
Los Angeles2.6″3.3″2.1″0.8″0.2″0.1″0.0″0.0″0.2″0.5″1.0″2.1″

The percentage of days in which precipitation is observed, excluding trace quantities.

Days of Precip.JanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDec
Wellington5.7d5.9d7.7d7.5d10.9d17.8d19.0d19.3d17.0d10.5d6.2d5.5d
Los Angeles5.2d5.4d4.4d2.0d0.8d0.2d0.1d0.3d0.5d1.6d2.8d4.7d

I doubt that Florida raking its forests is what made the difference in scope and severity of the wildfires.

Irrelevant.
How is it irrelevant when your post was complaining about picking up the tab for disaster relief in California even as the rest of us pick up the tab for disaster relief in the place you were just bragging about? The nation as a whole pitches in when disasters hit, whether we like the political stance of the governors, mayors, etc. or not - it's the American Way (or has been, who knows how it will be going forward).
 
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But it's kind of like California being covered completely while people in North Carolina sleep on the ground
Not a bit. Emergency services were given to North Carolina but unfortunately, for some reason of their own, people of NC were given false information not to accept emergency funds from FEMA - they were told that the $750 would be all they'd get if they accepted it.

How is California "covered completely" in a way that NC and Florida are not?
 
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The nation as a whole pitches in when disasters hit, whether we like the political stance of the governors, mayors, etc. or not - it's the American Way (or has been, who knows how it will be going forward).
My prediction is that the american way of the next 4 years can be summed up by the words "I would like you to do us a favor.".
 
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Not a bit. Emergency services were given to North Carolina but unfortunately, for some reason of their own, people of NC were given false information not to accept emergency funds from FEMA - they were told that the $750 would be all they'd get if they accepted it.

How is California "covered completely" in a way that NC and Florida are not?
 
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When a white cis hetero Christian man is in the majority then politicians really should consider using their tax dollars appropriately, for what the taxes are supposed to cover, or face reelection consequences.

To pretend we can kill off the majority through bad policy and face no consequences is a ridiculous assumption.
They're not the majority. Women have outnumbered men in the US since the 50's.
 
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It didn't really escalate, these fires are proof that few actually care on the left about people's lives and property.

Oh well, just another preventable left wing apocalypse, is the general attitude ..

Yeah, not. People need to stop spitting on the majority who pay taxes just because they expect services rendered at a high quality.
If I have to choose between a tall, muscular, and fit white heterosexual man or a short, fat, lesbian of color to rescue me from a burning building, I would always prefer the latter because it is best to die knowing that you are an empathetic person who is an ally to fat lesbians of color. -
 
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