The "God's Plan" Illusion

[Aaron112]

Should I tell them they're going straight to hell unless they rework their way of thinking?

What have you told them before ?

 

[Cerraco]

What have you told them before ?

Nothing. What is the answer by the way? They going to hell or no?

 

[Aaron112]

Jesus came, Jesus was sent to earth, to heal the sick, especially note the ones the world says are not worth it, His Word Clearly Says Otherwise.

there are people out there who are born ugly and constantly made fun of, are dirt poor, homeless, had all kinds of awful things happen to them.

Wisdom from God
…26Brothers, consider the time of your calling: Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were powerful; not many were of noble birth.

But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

He chose the lowly and despised things of the world, and the things that are not, to nullify the things that are,…
Berean Standard Bible · Download

 

[Cerraco]

Jesus came, Jesus was sent to earth, to heal the sick, especially note the ones the world says are not worth it, His Word Clearly Says Otherwise.

Wisdom from God
…26Brothers, consider the time of your calling: Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were powerful; not many were of noble birth.

But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

He chose the lowly and despised things of the world, and the things that are not, to nullify the things that are,…
Berean Standard Bible · Download

For the second time you skipped my direct question. As for this whole humbled/exalted stuff, when does that take place... in the future on Earth? In heaven? In the supposed new world?

Since my knowledge of Jesus is - according to some of you - getting me into heaven, I feel like just "running the clock out". I can't imagine billions of people having a unique purpose, given the fact that so many lives are short and miserable, and not always affecting others. I can't see myself getting a wife so I just gave up on that, I'll leave the women to find the 'better' guys. You guys tell me to "not worry about the world" or whatever, but that's not possible, I am trapped in the world, it is around me and I have to deal with it no matter what choices I make. That's like a teacher telling you to ignore the bully, that never works. Ever.

 

[OnceLostButNowFound]

For the second time you skipped my direct question. As for this whole humbled/exalted stuff, when does that take place... in the future on Earth? In heaven? In the supposed new world?

Since my knowledge of Jesus is - according to some of you - getting me into heaven, I feel like just "running the clock out". I can't imagine billions of people having a unique purpose, given the fact that so many lives are short and miserable, and not always affecting others. I can't see myself getting a wife so I just gave up on that, I'll leave the women to find the 'better' guys. You guys tell me to "not worry about the world" or whatever, but that's not possible, I am trapped in the world, it is around me and I have to deal with it no matter what choices I make. That's like a teacher telling you to ignore the bully, that never works. Ever.

Running the clock out is exactly the opposite of what Jesus would want you to do. It's not knowledge of Jesus, it's accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior and repentance that gets you into heaven.

By having Him in your life, He wants you to go out and make disciples. He wants you to spread the word. Even if people aren't willing to listen, you can still treat them with kindness and grace and show the world what a person transformed by Christ looks like. By becoming a child of God, you feel convicted to want to be like Him. In this case, you're not ignoring the bully, you are setting yourself as an example and potentially humbling him.

Not saying it's easy, mind you. And we're always going to fall short in some way, but that's why Jesus died, so we wouldn't have to pay the penalty for our sins. And even though the world is messed up and we're all trapped in it, we can rely on God as well as our brothers and sisters in Christ.

Also, I'm going to be straight with you, that attitude and self-perception is a large part of why you're still single. Giving up and essentially telling yourself that other guys are "better" than you is just going to make you miserable. I should know, I had that same perception of myself and still struggle with it from time to time.

I won't say you're guaranteed to find a wife even with the attitude change, but having God as your foundation makes the whole thing that much more bearable. You know that the creator of everything loves you and won't leave you no matter what.

 

[Cerraco]

Running the clock out is exactly the opposite of what Jesus would want you to do. It's not knowledge of Jesus, it's accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior and repentance that gets you into heaven.

Of course Jesus wouldn't want me to just wait to expire, why would he? It's not about what he wants, it's what I want. I don't have the energy or drive. I'm so tired. Even as an atheist, I can accept him as 'my lord and savior' in a roundabout way. I mean, anyone who goes through that much torture without feeling one hint of hatred to the people who killed him has serious balls.

By having Him in your life, He wants you to go out and make disciples. He wants you to spread the word. Even if people aren't willing to listen, you can still treat them with kindness and grace and show the world what a person transformed by Christ looks like. By becoming a child of God, you feel convicted to want to be like Him. In this case, you're not ignoring the bully, you are setting yourself as an example and potentially humbling him.

Let me get this straight, he wants me to just magically convert to Christianity (which would involve believing the things I'd never believe), and go around and just talk about Jesus like a preacher? Do you see the issue there? I can just imagine everyone being like, "Oh great, another Jesus freak. I don't want to listen to this..." and just not caring ever. My personality would never work with something like that.

Not saying it's easy, mind you. And we're always going to fall short in some way, but that's why Jesus died, so we wouldn't have to pay the penalty for our sins. And even though the world is messed up and we're all trapped in it, we can rely on God as well as our brothers and sisters in Christ.

Also, I'm going to be straight with you, that attitude and self-perception is a large part of why you're still single. Giving up and essentially telling yourself that other guys are "better" than you is just going to make you miserable. I should know, I had that same perception of myself and still struggle with it from time to time.

Nah, I can hide this attitude pretty well, it's my anti-social demeanor that is likely the culprit. A relationship is not this one way thing, both parties have to get something out of it. Again, who's gonna go for a D- when they can have the A+ for the same price? Or for free? That's like buying a trashy, run-down car (that likely can't be fixed up) for $5,000 instead of buying a better, near-mint condition one for the same price. A smart person would not do that.

I won't say you're guaranteed to find a wife even with the attitude change, but having God as your foundation makes the whole thing that much more bearable. You know that the creator of everything loves you and won't leave you no matter what.

I'm not getting a wife, dude. I've actually had arguments with my parents about this. I tell them that they are not getting grandkids, and that the last name likely dies with me. This is what happens when you win the inverse lottery and get someone who's different. Every single person that existed won't have a good life no matter how much God/Jesus wants it to happen. That's how probability and chance work.

That garbage alpha forum that I was revealed a lot about how the world works, and how shallow it is. You know how people talk about Only Child Syndrome? That's real.

Edit: I should also add, that I am tripling down on when I say that something embarrassing happens I'm near women I like. And I mean, every single time. No, that is not my insecurities talking, that is reality talking. If something like that keeps happening to you, it sort of creates a condition response for you to not seek love anymore.

 

[OnceLostButNowFound]

Of course Jesus wouldn't want me to just wait to expire, why would he? It's not about what he wants, it's what I want.

Following Jesus means dying to yourself and your desires. It's definitely the hardest part about being a disciple, but there's no getting around that.

I don't have the energy or drive. I'm so tired. Even as an atheist, I can accept him as 'my lord and savior' in a roundabout way. I mean, anyone who goes through that much torture without feeling one hint of hatred to the people who killed him has serious balls.

There are no roundabout ways with God, sorry to say. He knows your heart and can tell if you're being deceitful.

Let me get this straight, he wants me to just magically convert to Christianity (which would involve believing the things I'd never believe), and go around and just talk about Jesus like a preacher? Do you see the issue there? I can just imagine everyone being like, "Oh great, another Jesus freak. I don't want to listen to this..." and just not caring ever. My personality would never work with something like that.

It's how we win souls and help save people from damnation. Jesus Himself told us to do that. And it's through Him, we're given the words we need to say when it comes to sharing the gospel. I'm not particularly a social person myself, but He uses even me to help spread the good news.

And you don't even need to win them over right then and there. All you need to do is plant the seed and let God do the rest.

Plus, there are a lots of ways to minister to people. One of my ways will hopefully involve books if that's God's will for me.

Nah, I can hide this attitude pretty well, it's my anti-social demeanor that is likely the culprit. A relationship is not this one way thing, both parties have to get something out of it. Again, who's gonna go for a D- when they can have the A+ for the same price? Or for free? That's like buying a trashy, run-down car (that likely can't be fixed up) for $5,000 instead of buying a better, near-mint condition one for the same price. A smart person would not do that.

Man, you remind me so much of myself. So willing to tear yourself down and refusing to see what you can potentially offer a woman.

What kind of skills do you have? Hobbies? Interests?

I'm not getting a wife, dude. I've actually had arguments with my parents about this. I tell them that they are not getting grandkids, and that the last name likely dies with me.

Do you still want one though? If given the opportunity, would you like to have a family of your own?

This is what happens when you win the inverse lottery and get someone who's different. Every single person that existed won't have a good life no matter how much God/Jesus wants it to happen. That's how probability and chance work.

God made each of us unique and He loves every single one of us.

That garbage alpha forum that I was revealed a lot about how the world works, and how shallow it is. You know how people talk about Only Child Syndrome? That's real.

You're right. The world is shallow. But Jesus has overcome the world.

Edit: I should also add, that I am tripling down on when I say that something embarrassing happens I'm near women I like. And I mean, every single time. No, that is not my insecurities talking, that is reality talking. If something like that keeps happening to you, it sort of creates a condition response for you to not seek love anymore.

If you don't mind, would you please explain to me exactly what you're talking about? If you don't feel comfortable sharing it here, you can PM me.

 

[Aaron112]

oops. This may be done after someone is born again. When someone is making excuses for their sin in order to be able to continue in sin, they cannot "plant seed"... they are living in darkness.

And you don't even need to win them over right then and there. All you need to do is plant the seed and let God do the rest.

 

[OnceLostButNowFound]

oops. This may be done after someone is born again. When someone is making excuses for their sin in order to be able to continue in sin, they cannot "plant seed"... they are living in darkness.

True, you need to make sure to evaluate your own walk with God before you start evangelizing. Otherwise, we could end up spreading false gospels and falsehoods about God's word.

 

[Aaron112]

True, you need to make sure to evaluate your own walk with God before you start evangelizing. Otherwise, we could end up spreading false gospels and falsehoods about God's word.

Always follow Jesus. Always tell the truth as God reveals in His Word. Don't get distracted on false rabbit trails.

 

[Cerraco]

Following Jesus means dying to yourself and your desires. It's definitely the hardest part about being a disciple, but there's no getting around that.

There are no roundabout ways with God, sorry to say. He knows your heart and can tell if you're being deceitful.

There's no deceit there, I've explained how I believe in Jesus.

It's how we win souls and help save people from damnation. Jesus Himself told us to do that. And it's through Him, we're given the words we need to say when it comes to sharing the gospel. I'm not particularly a social person myself, but He uses even me to help spread the good news.

I can't say there's any issue here, but I feel like saving a soul goes a bit beyond mentioning Jesus. Unless I missed something. Some people do good because they "want to serve the lord". For me, it would be for the people, not the lord. The lord doesn't need help, the people do. I know people exist, I do not know if God does.

And you don't even need to win them over right then and there. All you need to do is plant the seed and let God do the rest.

I can agree with this, mostly. My viewpoint is that it's better to do good because that's simply the right choice, not because that's what God wants and that's it. And I'm not implying that you or anyone here is like that.

Man, you remind me so much of myself. So willing to tear yourself down and refusing to see what you can potentially offer a woman.

I might just be talking like this because I'm sick and had some bad days at work. I could stay home, but my team is very small, so I go to work anyway and tough it out to ease everyone's burden. I get crap from everyone that I wasn't working fast enough, when I'm trying to work through all these energy-sapping and dizzy feelings the sickness comes with. I always get sick when my job gets the busiest. Thanks universe! Woooo!! I appreciate that!!

As for women, I feel like I'm in the matrix where everyone hooks up except me. Like a movie starting from the middle where things have already happened and nothing built up to anything. It just... happened. I don't think a woman wants an inexperienced 36-year-old virgin. That's not attractive. This means I'd have to lie lie lie to get close to anyone, because I can't bring that stuff up. This is the amazing crappy, fallen world I was born in, that I never asked for. Not even my absolute closest friends and family know I'm a virgin. You do NOT tell people that, even though I'm ironically telling everyone here.

What kind of skills do you have? Hobbies? Interests?

I'm one of the nerds. I've done programming, video editing, 3D modeling, 3D level design, web design, image editing, etc. I've done all that since I was 14.

Do you still want one though? If given the opportunity, would you like to have a family of your own?

If I had the chance, and the patience, and the luck of a thousand leprechauns, sure. I do not want a family. I have nothing against children, and am actually very good with them, considering the amount of younger cousins I have, but I never had the interest of having kids, ever. Ever. I also don't think the world needs younger versions of me running around. One is enough.

God made each of us unique and He loves every single one of us.

You're right. The world is shallow. But Jesus has overcome the world.

He did, but he was also God, or at least came from him in a way that we didn't. He got to be a martyr and central figure of something. The rest of us will die and possibly go nowhere, only being remembered for so long.

If you don't mind, would you please explain to me exactly what you're talking about? If you don't feel comfortable sharing it here, you can PM me.

Nah, I'll say it here, the concept is very simple. Every single time I'm near a chick I'm interested/have a crush on, there is always some scenario that happens where I get yelled at or embarrassed in some sort of way while that woman is nearby. If I even come close to the chance of upping my chances with someone, something just materializes itself at the moment and kills the chance. I understand that sounds like overreacting and paranoia, but I could not be more serious if I tried.

 

[OnceLostButNowFound]

There's no deceit there, I've explained how I believe in Jesus.

I can't say there's any issue here, but I feel like saving a soul goes a bit beyond mentioning Jesus. Unless I missed something. Some people do good because they "want to serve the lord". For me, it would be for the people, not the lord. The lord doesn't need help, the people do. I know people exist, I do not know if God does.

God also told us to love others, and by wanting to help people, you're also doing what God wants.

Once you're in a relationship with Him though, you can't help but want to do those things for Him. Not because it gets you into heaven, but because you end up loving Him and want to please Him.

I might just be talking like this because I'm sick and had some bad days at work. I could stay home, but my team is very small, so I go to work anyway and tough it out to ease everyone's burden. I get crap from everyone that I wasn't working fast enough, when I'm trying to work through all these energy-sapping and dizzy feelings the sickness comes with. I always get sick when my job gets the busiest. Thanks universe! Woooo!! I appreciate that!!

Based on the below mentioned info, I can imagine the frustration. I've heard horror stories about development crunch and all that.

As for women, I feel like I'm in the matrix where everyone hooks up except me. Like a movie starting from the middle where things have already happened and nothing built up to anything. It just... happened. I don't think a woman wants an inexperienced 36-year-old virgin. That's not attractive. This means I'd have to lie lie lie to get close to anyone, because I can't bring that stuff up. This is the amazing crappy, fallen world I was born in, that I never asked for. Not even my absolute closest friends and family know I'm a virgin. You do NOT tell people that, even though I'm ironically telling everyone here.

Being a virgin's not that big of a deal. In fact, with Christian women, it's a big plus, since not only will you not bring baggage into a marriage, they'll get to find joy in being your first. If a woman does make a big deal out your virginity, then she's not worth your time.

Sex is meant to be experienced between a married man and woman. They're supposed to lose their virginity to each other and never have sex with anyone else. The way the world is, however, we place value on how many partners we have. And hypocritically, we also shame women who've had a bunch of sexual partners. It makes no sense.

God's way is just so simple and easy to follow. By waiting until marriage, you're showing the other person how much you love them and trust that even if the sex isn't 100% amazing at first, you'll both work together to ensure it is. No pressure, no shame, just love.

I'm one of the nerds. I've done programming, video editing, 3D modeling, 3D level design, web design, image editing, etc. I've done all that since I was 14.

Like video game development? If so, which games have you worked on? (If you're allowed to say that is). And what kind of games do you like to play? I've been playing a lot of OG Star Wars Battlefront and Republic Commando as of late.

If I had the chance, and the patience, and the luck of a thousand leprechauns, sure. I do not want a family. I have nothing against children, and am actually very good with them, considering the amount of younger cousins I have, but I never had the interest of having kids, ever. Ever. I also don't think the world needs younger versions of me running around. One is enough.

Keep that desire alive. There's been men who've been married in their forties and fifties. And hey, maybe when you meet the right woman, you'll change your mind. lol.

He did, but he was also God, or at least came from him in a way that we didn't. He got to be a martyr and central figure of something. The rest of us will die and possibly go nowhere, only being remembered for so long.

We're all going to one of two places. And through Jesus, we can weather any hardship. All the disciples save for John and (for obvious reasons) Judas became martyred for their faith in Jesus. That should tell you just how life changing Jesus is. He inspires us to want to lay down our lives for Him because of the gift of eternal life.

Nah, I'll say it here, the concept is very simple. Every single time I'm near a chick I'm interested/have a crush on, there is always some scenario that happens where I get yelled at or embarrassed in some sort of way while that woman is nearby. If I even come close to the chance of upping my chances with someone, something just materializes itself at the moment and kills the chance. I understand that sounds like overreacting and paranoia, but I could not be more serious if I tried.

That seems rather vague. Would you mind giving me a more clear example? Why were you being yelled at? What happened that was so embarrassing? Because I don't think a decent woman would just cut ties with you over something that doesn't sound like it's your fault. Unless I'm missing something.

Do you go out to meet people? As a recovering anti-social person, it's pretty tough for me, but it has helped me make a lot of friends. One of which involves a girl I'm friendly with.

That's another thing, I'm sure you know this already, but focus on being friends first. Easier said than done, I know. But that's just how most women operate.

 

[Aaron112]

There's no deceit there, I've explained how I believe in Jesus.

As note before - even the demons (evil ones) believe in Jesus, and they are shaking in terror.
So how you believe in Jesus , from your own choice?, your own words/posts,
will not gain you anything in this life, nor forgiveness, n nor in the next life.
i.e. a failure to accomplish anything.

 

[Aaron112]

Nothing. What is the answer by the way? They going to hell or no?

shrugs.... that's the way it is... everyone goes to the grave when they die.

 

[Cerraco]

Once you're in a relationship with Him though, you can't help but want to do those things for Him. Not because it gets you into heaven, but because you end up loving Him and want to please Him.

Be that as it may, I will always have that thought in my head saying, "What if God isn't real?"

Based on the below mentioned info, I can imagine the frustration. I've heard horror stories about development crunch and all that.

It doesn't that there's a really cute woman on my team, and I hate making mistakes in front of her.

Being a virgin's not that big of a deal. In fact, with Christian women, it's a big plus, since not only will you not bring baggage into a marriage, they'll get to find joy in being your first. If a woman does make a big deal out your virginity, then she's not worth your time.

Objectively, being a virgin is not a big deal. But in the eyes of the idiotic human race and God create for some... very unknown reason, it's a problem. This is how society works, they need to make issues and problems out of the void of nothingness. This is partly why I have such a bitter, dark and anti-social demeanor. "If a woman does make a big deal out your virginity, then she's not worth your time." See, this is the problem, an unspeakably large percent of women in the world do not want a virgin, they "want experience". Never mind the fact that we have no STDs, no no no. It's gotta be this popularity contest. Just typing this out right now makes me hate the world. I'm sorry, I would have to lie. I don't like that option, but that's how the world is.

Sex is meant to be experienced between a married man and woman. They're supposed to lose their virginity to each other and never have sex with anyone else. The way the world is, however, we place value on how many partners we have. And hypocritically, we also shame women who've had a bunch of sexual partners. It makes no sense.

I think sex is meant to be shared between two people who love each other, regardless of gender/sex. As for the virgin things, this is how the idiotic human race puts things.

• A man has slept around? What a legend?
• A woman has slept around? Ugh, what a sleazy woman.
• A man is a virgin? What a loser. What's wrong with him?!
• A woman is a virgin? A sign of purity.

The world doesn't know what it's doing.

God's way is just so simple and easy to follow. By waiting until marriage, you're showing the other person how much you love them and trust that even if the sex isn't 100% amazing at first, you'll both work together to ensure it is. No pressure, no shame, just love.

I'm told how Christian women prefer virgin men, but not every woman is gonna be a Christian, and she won't like being an atheist man I'd assume. That's another thing that scrambles my chances and makes things harder because the world is dumb.

Like video game development? If so, which games have you worked on? (If you're allowed to say that is). And what kind of games do you like to play? I've been playing a lot of OG Star Wars Battlefront and Republic Commando as of late.

Yes, like video game development, although I've done more than that. The games I've worked on have not been released. I'll play anything if it's good, as for recent games, I'd say Amnesia: The Bunker, The Outlast Trials, Oxygen Not Included, Factorio, Dwarf Fortress, the Age of Empires series, with Age of Mythology: Retold being the best RTS game I've ever played, Deep Rock Galactic.

Keep that desire alive. There's been men who've been married in their forties and fifties. And hey, maybe when you meet the right woman, you'll change your mind. lol.

There would likely have to be a confidence change and attitude change for that, I don't see that happening given my pessimistic views.

We're all going to one of two places. And through Jesus, we can weather any hardship. All the disciples save for John and (for obvious reasons) Judas became martyred for their faith in Jesus. That should tell you just how life changing Jesus is. He inspires us to want to lay down our lives for Him because of the gift of eternal life.

Did Judas go to hell? I mean, he was the guy that spun the whole prophecy into motion. If Jesus wasn't betrayed, the events would not play out like it did.

That seems rather vague. Would you mind giving me a more clear example? Why were you being yelled at? What happened that was so embarrassing? Because I don't think a decent woman would just cut ties with you over something that doesn't sound like it's your fault. Unless I'm missing something.

I'll start with school, and I will repeat the American school system is worse than any hell that exists in any religion, with middle school being absolute worst worst worst worst worst worst worst worst worst of them all, but that's another story. Whenever I'm near a girl I liked, someone would always scream at me at that moment and make me look like the biggest idiot alive. The amount of times I got berated and screeeeeeaaamed at by teachers was absolutely insane, and it happened so much that even the students started thinking it was okay to mess with me, while the teachers did nothing about it. These patterns carried on in my adult years; where someone berates me in front of women. Like I'm being character assassinated.

The absolute worst one was in high school, I was 18. I went to the office and was looking past a front desk woman's shoulders into a room behind her, as the counselor said she would be there, and I could look for her. All of a sudden, the fat unlikeable front desk woman shouts, "NO, DON'T LOOK!!" (thinking I was being disrespectful and peeking in a room) and I jumped in fear. Oh wait, the girl I had a crush on was right. there. Granted, she already rejected me before, but still, I've never wanted to stop existing so hard after that moment man. Everyone was starting me. The front desk idiot magically changes her tone to a friendly one halfway in the conversation. Very jarring. I wish that fat lady the worst. "Because I don't think a decent woman would just cut ties with you over something that doesn't sound like it's your fault." It's not about cutting ties, because the "ties" weren't there. In someone else's point of view, someone is yelling at me because "I screwed this up and I screwed that up and rage rage rage shame shame shame!!!!" in front of a woman I'm interested in, that does NOT look good. Imagine being a peacock, and everything you try to flaunt your feathers, you suddenly catch on fire for no reason, and can't escape this curse.

I wasn't necessarily "cool" or all that attractive, so everyone around me got the chicks. That's how my life is, everything happens around me. If me and another guy magically walked side by side on water, everyone would shower the other guy in praise while one person would probably say, "You're getting your shoes wet, you moron!" My parents are very good people, but they didn't prepare for having a kid, and were very young. That screwed up my mental development. Over time I enjoyed being an only child because I have rooms to myself, and it's nice and quiet. With a wife and kids, that quiet stops existing.

Do you go out to meet people? As a recovering anti-social person, it's pretty tough for me, but it has helped me make a lot of friends. One of which involves a girl I'm friendly with.

I don't meet new people. I had a great group of friends, but it's been maybe a year since I've heard from them.

That's another thing, I'm sure you know this already, but focus on being friends first. Easier said than done, I know. But that's just how most women operate.

For me, it's more like "focus on having the girl not hate every molecule in your body. Start there." Because they all hated me for one reason or another, or no reason at all because life logic. All a woman has to do is say "yes" or "no"

A woman just needs to be attractive and have a good personality. A guy needs to just... be good looking, drive a nice car, make a lot of money, have a good home, have a good social status, has to be popular overall, have a good sense of humor, likely be a certain height, not be a virgin, have other women attracted to him, then maybe he has a chance. Women don't understand what it's like to be a man in that setting. It's dumb stuff like this that makes me want to run out the clock on life.

As note before - even the demons (evil ones) believe in Jesus, and they are shaking in terror.
So how you believe in Jesus , from your own choice?, your own words/posts,
will not gain you anything in this life, nor forgiveness, n nor in the next life.
i.e. a failure to accomplish anything.

Dude, please stop typing like this. I hardly understand anything you're saying. Like I said before, I believe in Christ because it is more or less proven that he existed, this is confirmed by even non-Christians.

shrugs.... that's the way it is... everyone goes to the grave when they die.

*shrugs* Yup, that's how it is. You still didn't answer the question.

 

[Aaron112]

What have you told them before ?

Nothing. .....

This is the "Exploring Christianity" section. Bye.

 

[OnceLostButNowFound]

Be that as it may, I will always have that thought in my head saying, "What if God isn't real?"

All you need is faith the size of a mustard seed. Doubt is something we all deal with.

It doesn't that there's a really cute woman on my team, and I hate making mistakes in front of her.

Again, you remind me so much of myself. Wanting to be perfect in front of a pretty girl.

Fact is, nobody's perfect, and a woman would prefer to see the real you. Warts and all then deal with a guy putting up a front.

Objectively, being a virgin is not a big deal. But in the eyes of the idiotic human race and God create for some... very unknown reason, it's a problem. This is how society works, they need to make issues and problems out of the void of nothingness. This is partly why I have such a bitter, dark and anti-social demeanor. "If a woman does make a big deal out your virginity, then she's not worth your time." See, this is the problem, an unspeakably large percent of women in the world do not want a virgin, they "want experience". Never mind the fact that we have no STDs, no no no. It's gotta be this popularity contest. Just typing this out right now makes me hate the world. I'm sorry, I would have to lie. I don't like that option, but that's how the world is.

That's what's so amazing about accepting Jesus into your life. You don't need to live by the world's rules anymore. You live by His rules. Even if there aren't nearly as many Christian women, being with God frees you from the constraints of this world, because now you know there's something better on the other side of this life on Earth.

I think sex is meant to be shared between two people who love each other, regardless of gender/sex. As for the virgin things, this is how the idiotic human race puts things.

• A man has slept around? What a legend?
• A woman has slept around? Ugh, what a sleazy woman.
• A man is a virgin? What a loser. What's wrong with him?!
• A woman is a virgin? A sign of purity.

The world doesn't know what it's doing.

Exactly. That's why we need God.

I'm told how Christian women prefer virgin men, but not every woman is gonna be a Christian, and she won't like being an atheist man I'd assume. That's another thing that scrambles my chances and makes things harder because the world is dumb.

God is able to make the seemingly impossible possible. And even then, what we'll get in Heaven will be greater than anything here.

Yes, like video game development, although I've done more than that. The games I've worked on have not been released. I'll play anything if it's good, as for recent games, I'd say Amnesia: The Bunker, The Outlast Trials, Oxygen Not Included, Factorio, Dwarf Fortress, the Age of Empires series, with Age of Mythology: Retold being the best RTS game I've ever played, Deep Rock Galactic.

Coolio. I envy people who're able to wrap their minds around some of the more advanced RTS games. I struggled with the original Starcraft.

I'm more into stuff like Shadow of the Colossus, Ico, Metal Arms: Glitch in the System, Left 4 Dead 2, Final Fantasy IX, and Klonoa 1 and 2.

There would likely have to be a confidence change and attitude change for that, I don't see that happening given my pessimistic views.

Did Judas go to hell? I mean, he was the guy that spun the whole prophecy into motion. If Jesus wasn't betrayed, the events would not play out like it did.

He did. Although he could've chosen not to kill himself and instead repented for what he did. Peter also betrayed Jesus, but chose to keep living and was rewarded for his faith.

And Jesus would eventually had to have been placed on the cross regardless of how He got there. For that's why He was sent.

I'll start with school, and I will repeat the American school system is worse than any hell that exists in any religion, with middle school being absolute worst worst worst worst worst worst worst worst worst of them all, but that's another story. Whenever I'm near a girl I liked, someone would always scream at me at that moment and make me look like the biggest idiot alive. The amount of times I got berated and screeeeeeaaamed at by teachers was absolutely insane, and it happened so much that even the students started thinking it was okay to mess with me, while the teachers did nothing about it. These patterns carried on in my adult years; where someone berates me in front of women. Like I'm being character assassinated.

The absolute worst one was in high school, I was 18. I went to the office and was looking past a front desk woman's shoulders into a room behind her, as the counselor said she would be there, and I could look for her. All of a sudden, the fat unlikeable front desk woman shouts, "NO, DON'T LOOK!!" (thinking I was being disrespectful and peeking in a room) and I jumped in fear. Oh wait, the girl I had a crush on was right. there. Granted, she already rejected me before, but still, I've never wanted to stop existing so hard after that moment man. Everyone was starting me. The front desk idiot magically changes her tone to a friendly one halfway in the conversation. Very jarring. I wish that fat lady the worst. "Because I don't think a decent woman would just cut ties with you over something that doesn't sound like it's your fault." It's not about cutting ties, because the "ties" weren't there. In someone else's point of view, someone is yelling at me because "I screwed this up and I screwed that up and rage rage rage shame shame shame!!!!" in front of a woman I'm interested in, that does NOT look good. Imagine being a peacock, and everything you try to flaunt your feathers, you suddenly catch on fire for no reason, and can't escape this curse.

Based on what I understand, it sounds like you disqualify yourself before you even give yourself the chance to talk with these girls. So what if somebody yells at you? You could just go up to a girl afterwards and say something like,

"Man, some people are crazy am I right?"

"That happens all the time to me for some reason. Ain't that strange?"

And you both have a laugh about it. It's like the perfect icebreaker.

Overall, just shrug it off and don't take yourself too seriously.

Also, what happened in middle/high school doesn't really matter much in the real world. (Barring serious crimes anyway). So there's no need to carry that baggage around at this point.

I don't meet new people. I had a great group of friends, but it's been maybe a year since I've heard from them.

Might be time to start looking for some new friends then.

For me, it's more like "focus on having the girl not hate every molecule in your body. Start there." Because they all hated me for one reason or another, or no reason at all because life logic. All a woman has to do is say "yes" or "no"

Yeah, I think you might be over thinking this whole girl aspect. Again, you're not perfect. Nobody is. Don't let that stop you from talking to women.

A woman just needs to be attractive and have a good personality. A guy needs to just... be good looking, drive a nice car, make a lot of money, have a good home, have a good social status, has to be popular overall, have a good sense of humor, likely be a certain height, not be a virgin, have other women attracted to him, then maybe he has a chance. Women don't understand what it's like to be a man in that setting. It's dumb stuff like this that makes me want to run out the clock on life.

I can relate to that. Women are sinners too and can be pretty shallow about a lot of things. Just avoid those kind of women.

What a good woman--A Christian woman anyway-- wants most is a man who has Godly character and can provide for her. And even if you don't make a ton of money, proving you have a strong work ethic and that you're willing to above and beyond for your wife is more than enough for her.

Of course, making sure you put God over her is important as well.

Dude, please stop typing like this. I hardly understand anything you're saying. Like I said before, I believe in Christ because it is more or less proven that he existed, this is confirmed by even non-Christians.

By not believing that He's the Son and that He came back from the dead though, Jesus doesn't consider you a believer. That and repentance.

 

[Cerraco]

This is the "Exploring Christianity" section. Bye.

Still have no idea what you're saying due to your random quoting and fragmented English composition.

All you need is faith the size of a mustard seed. Doubt is something we all deal with.

If you were a loving god, and you created all these beings with free will and with different backgrounds, are you gonna be so egotistical that you'll punish someone simply for not believing in you when they've never seen you? Sorry man, going "look at the world around you, that's proof enough, no excuse!" doesn't work on its own like that.

Again, you remind me so much of myself. Wanting to be perfect in front of a pretty girl.

Maybe not perfect, but I'm so very tired of the universe funneling its crap on me in the presence of these women. It's almost like women are bad luck charms. How am I supposed to be happily married with such a 'curse'? What if I did get married? I'm sure anvils would materialize out of nowhere and keep falling on me at that point.

Fact is, nobody's perfect, and a woman would prefer to see the real you. Warts and all then deal with a guy putting up a front.

You have no idea how wrong that is, in some ways at least. A lot of us have that mental setup where we go for the highest quality thing first. In the world I grew up in, if you have warts, you better get used to being single unless you have a way to get those warts off. Today was the worst day of work ever, I was given a freaking book-sized stack of stickers by my supervisor to put on products and only had an hour to do it, the task was impossible. When I explain to my team lead that there's an issue, he immediately cuts off my words (and has done this SO many times) and just explodes with adamant-ness. "Supervisor said it, so it's true." So I just gave up because anything I say doesn't matter whether I'm right or wrong. So I'm put in a situation where I can't win, look like an idiot and have to feel angry and embarrassed for the whole day.

That's a massive pet peeve of mine when people force that "That's how it is! That's how it is! 5=5! That's the rules! Get over it!" trash. Just because someone says what a rule is, doesn't mean it's realistic. I'm so tempted to put in my two weeks notice just to spite them. I'd rather quit before they had the satisfaction. This is why I want to run out the clock, hit fast-forward, see the ending and turn the TV off.

That's what's so amazing about accepting Jesus into your life. You don't need to live by the world's rules anymore. You live by His rules. Even if there aren't nearly as many Christian women, being with God frees you from the constraints of this world, because now you know there's something better on the other side of this life on Earth.

Hmmmmm, no. I still need to live by the world's rules. I still need to not speed, so I don't get a ticket. I still need to show up for work to get money. As for something being better on the other side, no, I don't know what because that's not what I believe. It's like I can know now anyway, you can't buy an afterlife detection machine. I can't turn off the world, I have to endure its trash.

Exactly. That's why we need God.

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He did. Although he could've chosen not to kill himself and instead repented for what he did. Peter also betrayed Jesus, but chose to keep living and was rewarded for his faith.

Was he possessed? If so, that seems like Judas did something he had no control over. Also, eternal hell is too long of a punishment for nearly anyone. We live finite lives but have to suffer forever? I don't care what God's rules are, that doesn't strike me as fair and never will.

And Jesus would eventually had to have been placed on the cross regardless of how He got there. For that's why He was sent.

What would've happened if Adam and Eve never touched that apple?

Based on what I understand, it sounds like you disqualify yourself before you even give yourself the chance to talk with these girls. So what if somebody yells at you? You could just go up to a girl afterwards and say something like,

"Man, some people are crazy am I right?"

"That happens all the time to me for some reason. Ain't that strange?"

And you both have a laugh about it. It's like the perfect icebreaker.

Overall, just shrug it off and don't take yourself too seriously.

I get where you're coming from, but those lines would only work under certain circumstances. Still, these embarrassing moments can be so bad that they can't be spun into this silly comedic moment.

Yeah, I think you might be over thinking this whole girl aspect. Again, you're not perfect. Nobody is. Don't let that stop you from talking to women.

Ehhhh, all of my failures and insecurities will flood to my head once I speak to one. It's almost not worth it.

What a good woman--A Christian woman anyway-- wants most is a man who has Godly character and can provide for her. And even if you don't make a ton of money, proving you have a strong work ethic and that you're willing to above and beyond for your wife is more than enough for her.

Sure, but finding a woman is an unattainable goal in some aspects, because some people are married just because things happened at the right time and place, not every single person in the world is gonna get that. Now I'm starting to understand why arranged marriages are a thing.

Of course, making sure you put God over her is important as well.

By not believing that He's the Son and that He came back from the dead though, Jesus doesn't consider you a believer. That and repentance.

I'm still trying to understand why God made people to start with. Is it only because he can "share his love"?

 

[Aaron112]

You'll have to ask questions in another section if you are going to truly seek understanding. This section does not permit what is needed, as someone else posted days ago.

Still have no idea what you're saying due to your random quoting and fragmented English composition.

 

[OnceLostButNowFound]

If you were a loving god, and you created all these beings with free will and with different backgrounds, are you gonna be so egotistical that you'll punish someone simply for not believing in you when they've never seen you? Sorry man, going "look at the world around you, that's proof enough, no excuse!" doesn't work on its own like that.

God doesn't think like a man does. And even if someone doesn't have immediate access to the Bible, that doesn't stop God from speaking to people in His own way. And part of that is through creation.

The reason why we reject that idea is because due to our sin nature, we are predisposed to rebelling against God. It's the reason why many people act so hostile and belligerent whenever Jesus or the Bible is brought up. We prefer to stay in darkness and want to run from the light.

Maybe not perfect, but I'm so very tired of the universe funneling its crap on me in the presence of these women. It's almost like women are bad luck charms. How am I supposed to be happily married with such a 'curse'? What if I did get married? I'm sure anvils would materialize out of nowhere and keep falling on me at that point.

It's not the universe. The universe isn't something that controls everything. It just is. God created the universe. And perhaps He's asking you to turn to Him instead of worrying over your future relationships.

You have no idea how wrong that is, in some ways at least. A lot of us have that mental setup where we go for the highest quality thing first. In the world I grew up in, if you have warts, you better get used to being single unless you have a way to get those warts off.

Of course. We're sinners at our core. We tend to go after the superficial rather than what's real. Just so you know though, just because something seems "high quality" doesn't mean it is.

Today was the worst day of work ever, I was given a freaking book-sized stack of stickers by my supervisor to put on products and only had an hour to do it, the task was impossible. When I explain to my team lead that there's an issue, he immediately cuts off my words (and has done this SO many times) and just explodes with adamant-ness. "Supervisor said it, so it's true." So I just gave up because anything I say doesn't matter whether I'm right or wrong. So I'm put in a situation where I can't win, look like an idiot and have to feel angry and embarrassed for the whole day.

That's a massive pet peeve of mine when people force that "That's how it is! That's how it is! 5=5! That's the rules! Get over it!" trash. Just because someone says what a rule is, doesn't mean it's realistic. I'm so tempted to put in my two weeks notice just to spite them. I'd rather quit before they had the satisfaction. This is why I want to run out the clock, hit fast-forward, see the ending and turn the TV off.

It sounds like you work in a toxic work environment. Maybe you should consider looking for work elsewhere. You don't need to spite these people, but for your well-being, it might not be a bad idea to look for an out.

Hmmmmm, no. I still need to live by the world's rules. I still need to not speed, so I don't get a ticket. I still need to show up for work to get money. As for something being better on the other side, no, I don't know what because that's not what I believe. It's like I can know now anyway, you can't buy an afterlife detection machine. I can't turn off the world, I have to endure its trash.

I don't mean the practical rules that are made to ensure people's safety and well-being. I mean basing your identity on looks, how much money you make, how much sex you have, whether or not you have a spouse, over things you can't control, ect.

God loves you for you. He knows you aren't perfect, and that's why He sent His son to save you from your sins. Once you understand the depth of His love, you can't help but want to love Him back the same way and want to be like Him. And even though you'll fall short in that sense, that doesn't change how He feels about you. He knows you accepted Him into your life and will help you every step of the way.

Imagine the love your parents have for you. God's love is infinitely bigger than that.

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See above.

Was he possessed? If so, that seems like Judas did something he had no control over. Also, eternal hell is too long of a punishment for nearly anyone. We live finite lives but have to suffer forever? I don't care what God's rules are, that doesn't strike me as fair and never will.

Satan did enter into Judas, but Judas was still responsible for his own actions. Again, he could've repented for his sins but chose to give into despair and kill himself.

God certainly didn't want that for him. God is a god of mercy, but He is also a god of justice. Even the smallest of sins is too much for someone to get into heaven. And once again, that's why He sent His only begotten Son to die. Jesus was the perfect sacrifice, for not only did He not sin, but He was also divine. By paying the price on our behalf, we're washed clean and can enter heaven.

Judas could've been like Peter and redeemed himself. Showing that no matter how badly we treat Jesus and His people, He still has a place for us and will love us like we never betrayed Him.

What would've happened if Adam and Eve never touched that apple?

Things probably would be way better than they are now on earth. No death. No sin. ect. Praise be to God though, despite Adam and Eve's screw up, He still makes things work according to His will and will bring all who believe into Heaven.

I get where you're coming from, but those lines would only work under certain circumstances. Still, these embarrassing moments can be so bad that they can't be spun into this silly comedic moment.

You seem like an intelligent man. I'm sure you can think of something.

Ehhhh, all of my failures and insecurities will flood to my head once I speak to one. It's almost not worth it.

It's always worth it to try. Part of being a man is learning from your failures and becoming stronger through them. Plus, women respect a man who makes an attempt and shrugs off a rejection. Even if she's not into you, perhaps she'd introduce to you a friend who might be.

Choose to see how God sees you. Once I did, I became a lot less nervous around women, and I even met one recently where I can't help but feel cool and confident around her. Women *love* cool and confident. At that point, things like your looks, your job, and how much money you make aren't nearly as big a factor. (Not saying they aren't a factor. But women *can* overlook those kind of things if there's chemistry.)

Sure, but finding a woman is an unattainable goal in some aspects, because some people are married just because things happened at the right time and place, not every single person in the world is gonna get that. Now I'm starting to understand why arranged marriages are a thing.

You're right there. But that's yet another reason why we need God in our lives. Once we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior, He never leaves us. He's always with you. He's all you ultimately need. I'm not saying you can't be unhappy about being single, God made marriage for a reason, and He knows your pain there and wants to comfort you.

Trust me, as someone who's still single himself, it's so important to be in tune with our Heavenly Father.

I'm still trying to understand why God made people to start with. Is it only because he can "share his love"?

He made us because He loves us, as well as so we can glorify and love Him. Once you understand who He is, you can't help but want to rejoice in His presence and worship Him, for He is the only one who deserves that kind of praise.