Christians Rebuke John Piper for Calling Trump’s Re-Election Win an ‘Evil’

[ViaCrucis]

You have GOT to be kidding me, right? The incoming administration is promising to improve the situation. In what reality do you think that Donald Trump and his administration is going to make the problems of undocumented immigrant children being abused worse than what those kids have been experiencing?

What exactly do you think mass deportation means?

If carried out, you think it's going to involve a smooth process of rounding up tens of millions of people and getting all the paperwork sorted all tidy? Use your common sense here.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[BPPLEE]

From a purely legalistic definition, yes.

But then, in many jurisdictions, so are Christians.

Which gets us to St. Augustine's dictum, lex iniustia non est lex. An unjust law is no law at all.

Should I regard you a criminal should you, one day, by your mere existence be declared unlawful?

-CryptoLutheran

A country having borders and a legal process for immigration is not unjust.
Allowing children to be released to sex traffickers is unjust

 

[BPPLEE]

What exactly do you think mass deportation means?

If carried out, you think it's going to involve a smooth process of rounding up tens of millions of people and getting all the paperwork sorted all tidy? Use your common sense here.

-CryptoLutheran

What are you afraid of? They're starting with criminals, people who have committed crimes in addition to entering the country illegally, do you object to removing dangerous criminals from our country?

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

What exactly do you think mass deportation means?

If carried out, you think it's going to involve a smooth process of rounding up tens of millions of people and getting all the paperwork sorted all tidy? Use your common sense here.

-CryptoLutheran

The majority of Americans are not well-versed in the law. One issue is that the United States has some of the most ambiguous immigration laws, particularly the asylum law. The specific statute is 8 USC 1158: Asylum.

Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien's status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

The issue with this law is that it does not specify how or where someone entered the country. However, as long as they seek asylum, they can remain in the USA until a court verdict is reached. The USA does not have enough judges and immigration courts, leading to delays of 4-10 years for a court to decide if they are eligible for asylum. By then, individuals seeking asylum may have already integrated into American society, making it difficult for them to leave. Consequently, they often live undocumented.

Most undocumented individuals are impoverished people fleeing poverty and violence, not drug dealers, human traffickers, murderers, or criminals. However, many Americans who oppose them label them as illegal and criminal to justify their opposition.

It's astonishing that some Christians, who claim Jesus Christ as their savior, support the idea that undocumented immigrants are violent criminals and should be deported. These individuals have no issue with deporting millions of poor people whose only "crime" is seeking a better life.


We can either follow the teachings of Jesus regarding these commands or hide behind Romans 13 concerning immigration law.

Matthew 25:35-40

5 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

 

[Valletta]

It's astonishing that some Christians, who claim Jesus Christ as their savior, support the idea that undocumented immigrants are violent criminals and should be deported. These individuals have no issue with deporting millions of poor people whose only "crime" is seeking a better life.

False. There are many violent criminals that are here illegally. The incoming Trump administration has made their priorities clear:

Homan emphasized the urgent need to identify and remove criminal migrants while also focusing on rescuing children potentially trapped in human trafficking networks.
“I’m tired of children dying at the border,” Homan said. “I’m tired of children being sexually assaulted by cartels. Some of these kids could be in human trafficking, forced labor or forced sex slavery. We need to rescue these kids and get them back to their families.”

https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/trump-border-czar-ny-mayor-to-deport-criminal-migrants/

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

False. There are many violent criminals that are here illegally. The incoming Trump administration has made their priorities clear:

Homan emphasized the urgent need to identify and remove criminal migrants while also focusing on rescuing children potentially trapped in human trafficking networks.
“I’m tired of children dying at the border,” Homan said. “I’m tired of children being sexually assaulted by cartels. Some of these kids could be in human trafficking, forced labor or forced sex slavery. We need to rescue these kids and get them back to their families.”

https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/trump-border-czar-ny-mayor-to-deport-criminal-migrants/

Violent criminals are in jail, not on the streets.

Human trafficking is defined as the abduction of individuals, whether adults or minors, and transporting them from one location to another. Most children and adults coming to America arrive willingly. They often pay a significant amount of money for transportation and shelter to cross the border. However, this does not necessarily constitute human trafficking.

 

[Yarddog]

Jesus did not run in this past election!

And?

 

[Valletta]

Violent criminals are in jail, not on the streets.

Human trafficking is defined as the abduction of individuals, whether adults or minors, and transporting them from one location to another. Most children and adults coming to America arrive willingly. They often pay a significant amount of money for transportation and shelter to cross the border. However, this does not necessarily constitute human trafficking.

There are plenty of violent criminals on the street. One of the things the Biden administration did was to get rid of DNA testing at the border. Under the Trump administration DNA showed that a portion of the children tested were not related to the supposed adult relative they were traveling with. The new Democrat policy gave pretty much a free hand to the cartels for child trafficking. Likewise the Biden administration did not do thorough checking before sending unaccompanied minors off to various locations. Joe and crew have lost track of huge numbers of children. Realize that many families do not have the money to pay the cartels so they have to work off the money. The cartels threaten to kill their loved ones if they don't do as the gangs or cartels say, and we don't track to see if they are ever released.

 

[Vambram]

What exactly do you think mass deportation means?

If carried out, you think it's going to involve a smooth process of rounding up tens of millions of people and getting all the paperwork sorted all tidy? Use your common sense here.

-CryptoLutheran

I am using common sense.

 

[Postvieww]

And?

It seems many are concerned with the fact politicians do not measure up to their view of morality. Most often one’s political affiliation automatically makes the other side the most evil. My point was just we only have flawed human beings to choose from. Jesus was the only one who could meet the qualifications imposed by many.

 

[Postvieww]

Undocumented immigrants is an accurate term.

You prefer "illegal" simply because it justifies your personal confirmation bias, and lets you dehumanize them all collectively as drug and human traffickers.

Just like it was easier for the German people to accept the forced removal of Jews because of the Nazi propaganda used.

It's the narrative that guarantees that one doesn't have to worry about using their God-given conscience to work through complex societal and moral issues.

"They are all evil, so my moral responsibility toward my neighbor doesn't apply to them."

One wonders, however, if that will be a justified excuse come Judgement Day.

-CryptoLutheran

Not true, entering this country through methods other than the legal lawful way makes them illegal immigrates. Not all are evil but many who are here raping and murdering are evil. IMO comparing removing Jews to removing illegals from this country shows a complete misunderstanding of what is actually happening in this country.

 

[Postvieww]

Sure, we can talk about Donald Trump and MAGA folks who have done some of these things if you want.

Not sure why you'd want to bring that up though.

Should we mention Donald Trump's conviction as a rapist?
How about Matt Gaetz involvement in human trafficking, use of drugs, and rape of underage girls?

-CryptoLutheran

Could you honestly scrutinize the current resident of the White House with the same vigor? I doubt it!

 

[BPPLEE]

Sure, we can talk about Donald Trump and MAGA folks who have done some of these things if you want.

Not sure why you'd want to bring that up though.

Should we mention Donald Trump's conviction as a rapist?
How about Matt Gaetz involvement in human trafficking, use of drugs, and rape of underage girls?

-CryptoLutheran

Donald Trump wasn't convicted of rape. ABC just had to pay $16 million for repeating that lie

 

[Yarddog]

It seems many are concerned with the fact politicians do not measure up to their view of morality. Most often one’s political affiliation automatically makes the other side the most evil. My point was just we only have flawed human beings to choose from. Jesus was the only one who could meet the qualifications imposed by many.

No body can measure up to Jesus Christ but that doesn't mean that we turn away from his teaching of what we should be. A person that does not know how to love has no business running a country.

Trump has very few morals that shows he has some idea on how to be a leader. He is not qualified.

 

[Vambram]

No body can measure up to Jesus Christ but that doesn't mean that we turn away from his teaching of what we should be. A person that does not know how to love has no business running a country.

Trump has very few morals that shows he has some idea on how to be a leader. He is not qualified.

I praise the Lord that over 76 million American voters disagree with your concluding 2 sentences.

 

[Postvieww]

No body can measure up to Jesus Christ but that doesn't mean that we turn away from his teaching of what we should be. A person that does not know how to love has no business running a country.

Trump has very few morals that shows he has some idea on how to be a leader. He is not qualified.

Is Trump perfect? No! Is Trump the same man he was in years past? No! Is Trump qualified? Absolutely! Does God use imperfect men ? Yes that is absolutely scriptural! Was Trump God’s choice to lead this nation at this time? I absolutely believe he is!

 

[Yarddog]

Is Trump perfect? No! Is Trump the same man he was in years past? No! Is Trump qualified? Absolutely! Does God use imperfect men ? Yes that is absolutely scriptural! Was Trump God’s choice to lead this nation at this time? I absolutely believe he is!

There is nothing to show that Trump is any different than he was 20 years. Unless you mean worse.He embraced conspiracy theories that have no evidence. He is hateful, prideful, lies profusely, understands nothing about the economy, foreign affairs, etc..

Yes, God uses imperfect people to bring devastation upon sinners, in the OT. He used imperfect to spread the Gospel but only after repentance and a change in their life. He didn't immoral people to found or build up the Church. Those that turned were cast out of the Church.

I have seen nothing which would indicate God has sent Trump to do anything.

 

[Yarddog]

I praise the Lord that over 76 million American voters disagree with your concluding 2 sentences.

I praise the Lord that more voted against him than voted for him.

 

[Vambram]

I praise the Lord that more voted against him than voted for him.

I praise God that Donald Trump won 312 electoral college votes.

 

[BPPLEE]

I praise the Lord that more voted against him than voted for him.

How? He won the popular vote.

Harris (D)	Trump (R)	Total
75,014,534	77,300,739	155,206,853
48.33%	49.80%