Geocentric or Heliocentric (what shape is the earth) ?

[Apple Sky]

Yes of course we shouldn't believe something just because somebody else says it. After all, there are plenty of people who say that Jesus didn't really rise from the dead. As Christians, we don't believe them. However, the fact that an organisation such as NASA has a name that happens to form a word in Hebrew (but only if the Hebrew word is written in English letters) is not evidence that NASA must have the characteristics of the meaning of that Hebrew word.

True - But NASA are a very deceptive & greedy organization who are doing the work of Satan.

King James Bible
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 

[Apple Sky]

 

[Apple Sky]

 

[David Lamb]

I've already made mention three times that I have caught them in upwards of 100+ lies and counting. (who knows the real number by now)

I mean the numbers stack high.

People who have not caught them are simply outright not looking.

I don't think I will respond to any more defense for them honestly, as it is getting somewhat redundant and mindless.

I mean this with all the respect in the world, but you are supporting people and believing those that are lying to your face and are of Satan.

If they were not high level proponents of falsehoods, then you could chock it up to some coincidence maybe in a world of daisies and fields of cupcakes.

But that isn't reality, and I've beaten this horse into the ground. All I've got left is grass and everyone is still trying to revive the horse.

If people spent one tenth of the time researching Nasa and investigating them themselves, they would not be defending them another second of their life.

It is pointless to try to regurgitate this point yet again if it arises, so I'm going to just politely refuse to respond if it does.

This will be my final statement regarding anything pertaining to defense of / defending Nasa or agencies connected to them.

The evidence against them is far too heavy and prolific to be guiltless when blindly believing them any longer in my humble opinion.

I wasn't debating whether or not NASA employees/directors ever lie, but whether the fact that their acronym happens to use the same letters as a Hebrew word written in English characters can be evidence of dishonesty. Exactly the same letters, Nasa, mean "pot" in Spanish. So what?

 

[Zceptre]

No.

 

[David Lamb]

True - But NASA are a very deceptive & greedy organization who are doing the work of Satan.

King James Bible
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

But verse you quote, Revelation 3:9, is part of the letter to the church at Philadelphia, not NASA. As far as I am aware, people involved with NASA don't say that they are Jews when they are not. As for them doing the work of Satan, the main work of Satan is to stop people believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, not to make people believe something about the shape of the earth or whether it orbits the sun. There are people who believe the earth is flat who are not Christians.

 

[David Lamb]

No.

Whom are you replying to? With no indication, its's not possible (at least for me) to know what you meant by your single word message, "No"

 

[Aaron112]

Yes.

 

[Apple Sky]

As far as I am aware, people involved with NASA don't say that they are Jews when they are not.

No - Look again ................

 

[David Lamb]

No - Look again ................

Well, I have looked again at the verse you quote, which was:

"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

So whoever those words were about, those people said they were Jews but they were not. Who were those words addressed to? The context tells us:

“And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.” (Re 3:7-9 AV)

So the words were about some people apparently associated with the church in Philadelphia (the city in Asia Minor, not the modern American city of the same name.) There is no reference to NASA at all.

 

[Apple Sky]

Well, I have looked again at the verse you quote, which was:

"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

So whoever those words were about, those people said they were Jews but they were not. Who were those words addressed to? The context tells us:

“And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.” (Re 3:7-9 AV)

So the words were about some people apparently associated with the church in Philadelphia (the city in Asia Minor, not the modern American city of the same name.) There is no reference to NASA at all.

Look to how many call themselves Jew's in NASA.

 

[David Lamb]

Look to how many call themselves Jew's in NASA.

I don't know how many people in NASA call themselves Jews. Do you? More importantly, I don't know if anybody in NASA who isn't a Jew (either by birth or by becoming a follower of Judaism - a proselyte, in other words) calls himself one. Do you?

 

[Apple Sky]

 

[Apple Sky]

I don't know how many people in NASA call themselves Jews. Do you? More importantly, I don't know if anybody in NASA who isn't a Jew (either by birth or by becoming a follower of Judaism - a proselyte, in other words) calls himself one. Do you?

Not sure who's who but I do know that most of our worlds leaders claim to be Jews but they are not.

 

[davetaff]

Not sure who's who but I do know that most of our worlds leaders claim to be Jews but they are not.

Hi
Thank you for your posts but will we all be Jews in the end times when we are grafted into the tree of Israel.

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree.
Is this the tree of knowledge of good and evil which gives us the opportunity to choose between good and evil the good is to love God and love our neighbours.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

Not sure who's who but I do know that most of our worlds leaders claim to be Jews but they are not.

So now you have moved from NASA personnel claiming to be Jews to "most of our world leaders". Do you have evidence for this? Do Jo Biden, Sir Kier Starmer, Xi Jinping, Emmanuel Macron, or Vladimir Putin claim to be Jews, for example? Just stating these things without giving details and evidence means that your posts mean very little - they would mean much more if you gave some details and evidence to back up your statements.

 

[tampasteve]

Not sure who's who but I do know that most of our worlds leaders claim to be Jews but they are not.

Exactly which world leaders "claim to be Jews but they are not"? Really, "most" of them? I can't think of even one, your claim seems baseless and phobic.

 

[Apple Sky]

Lies seem to flow naturally for you. Do you take after your father?

I resent this very much & have put you on ignore from here on.

 

[Phil G]

I resent this very much & have put you on ignore from here on.

Well I have to say in all honesty that you bring this on yourself. When you make repeated claims of brothers and sisters in Christ with eyewitness testimony of a globe earth being liars, it hurts the rest of the body of Christ. In fact it persecutes Christ. Because that is what the world and Satan call the body of Christ - liars.

When people stand for Christ in this world and say they have seen the globe earth with their own eyes, what right have you to call them liars?

The fact that you believe conspiracy theories does not give you that right. These are people who put Christ first in their lives. They are not ashamed to testify to the Gospel, so why would they lie about the shape of the earth? It takes great courage to speak out to the world about Christ, especially when a person is in the public eye.

I truly find your rhetoric offensive to my Christian faith. I have yet to put you on ignore despite the fact I’m deeply offended by your accusations against my brothers and sisters, but I strongly urge you to stop claiming that they are liars.

 

[Apple Sky]

Well I have to say in all honesty that you bring this on yourself. When you make repeated claims of brothers and sisters in Christ with eyewitness testimony of a globe earth being liars, it hurts the rest of the body of Christ. In fact it persecutes Christ. Because that is what the world and Satan call the body of Christ - liars.

When people stand for Christ in this world and say they have seen the globe earth with their own eyes, what right have you to call them liars?

The fact that you believe conspiracy theories does not give you that right. These are people who put Christ first in their lives. They are not ashamed to testify to the Gospel, so why would they lie about the shape of the earth? It takes great courage to speak out to the world about Christ, especially when a person is in the public eye.

I truly find your rhetoric offensive to my Christian faith. I have yet to put you on ignore despite the fact I’m deeply offended by your accusations against my brothers and sisters, but I strongly urge you to stop claiming that they are liars.

I am truly sorry if I have caused offence to you or to any other members & I retract my statements for calling people liars and hope you can all forgive me.

I think it's for the best if I stay out of threads like this as I am so passionate about my beliefs that I do tend to get carried away with them & I know it''s wrong of me.

Your all such wonderful people on this forum, I came to this forum to find out more about the Bible & Jesus so this is exactly what I'm going to do from here on.

You take care now & God bless you & keep you safe.

My prayers are with you all.

PS I've un-ignored @prodromos so sorry .........