Are the voting machines secure?

[Offline4Better.]

These machines should not exist and are not needed, the poling stations are fully manned and secure.
Paper votes are best and they leave a permanent trace.

The second they put these machine in Canada is the day I stop voting.

Blessings Alex

Agreed. Paper votes, or at least electronic voting machines with paper trails are the best. Fully electronic machines with no trails would be bad. And yes, the polling stations are pretty secure in my state.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

If you stop voting do not complain about whomever gets in office. Way I look at it if you chose not to vote fine, however if you choose not to vote stay quiet for the next 2-6 years ( depending on the office) about who gets in office.

in Canada we are stuck voting for the lesser evil but I always do go vote at the end.

 

[DaisyDay]

Hi Daisy, it is well known and documented that they are connected to the internet, they transmit the results that way.

Not the certified ones following best practices.

https://www.eac.gov/sites/default/files/electionofficials/security/Voting_System_Security_Measures_508_EAC.pdf

Here's how one county explains their process:

At no time are Macoupin County machines connected to the internet. Here’s the process:

1. You vote on the touchscreen and print out your paper ballot. This machine is never connected to the internet.
2. You insert your paper ballot into the tabulator to be counted. The tabulator is never connected to the internet.
3. After the polls close, election judges return the tabulator and paper ballots to the Courthouse. We take the flash drive from the tabulator and insert it into a laptop. This laptop has never been and will never be connected to the internet.
4. Once the results are uploaded to the laptop, we take a completely different flash drive and copy over a set of results to upload to the public website on a totally different computer. This would be the only step that potentially could be hacked. But let’s say that it was, the results website would show the wrong results. But the official results on the laptop would not have changed. The paper ballots would not have changed. Sure it wouldn’t be great that our results website was showing the wrong numbers, but the actual results and count itself would not be changed whatsoever.
5. After Election Day, the state randomly sends us 5 precincts as well as one of the early and mail vote tabulators to retabulate or audit. We have to rerun every ballot through the same tabulator and get the exact same number of ballots cast and votes counted for each candidate. If they do not match up, we have to investigate to find the discrepancy.

Many "well known things" simply ain't so. You say it is well documented? Please show your documents that say that voting machines are connected to the internet.

 

[Offline4Better.]

Not the certified ones following best practices.

https://www.eac.gov/sites/default/files/electionofficials/security/Voting_System_Security_Measures_508_EAC.pdf

Here's how one county explains their process:

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At no time are Macoupin County machines connected to the internet. Here’s the process:​

1. You vote on the touchscreen and print out your paper ballot. This machine is never connected to the internet.
2. You insert your paper ballot into the tabulator to be counted. The tabulator is never connected to the internet.
3. After the polls close, election judges return the tabulator and paper ballots to the Courthouse. We take the flash drive from the tabulator and insert it into a laptop. This laptop has never been and will never be connected to the internet.
4. Once the results are uploaded to the laptop, we take a completely different flash drive and copy over a set of results to upload to the public website on a totally different computer. This would be the only step that potentially could be hacked. But let’s say that it was, the results website would show the wrong results. But the official results on the laptop would not have changed. The paper ballots would not have changed. Sure it wouldn’t be great that our results website was showing the wrong numbers, but the actual results and count itself would not be changed whatsoever.
5. After Election Day, the state randomly sends us 5 precincts as well as one of the early and mail vote tabulators to retabulate or audit. We have to rerun every ballot through the same tabulator and get the exact same number of ballots cast and votes counted for each candidate. If they do not match up, we have to investigate to find the discrepancy.

Many "well known things" simply ain't so. You say it is well documented? Please show your documents that say that voting machines are connected to the internet.

That seems very secure. God bless Macoupin County for utilizing secure measures to protect the voting counts. I am sure a lot of other counties use a similar air-gapped (offline / kept away from the internet) approach.

 

[Vambram]

That seems very secure. God bless Macoupin County for utilizing secure measures to protect the voting counts. I am sure a lot of other counties use a similar air-gapped (offline / kept away from the internet) approach.

I hope that ALL counties are doing that, my brother.

 

[Offline4Better.]

I hope that ALL counties are doing that, my brother.

I do also hope the same. Every county should follow the example of Macoupin County. In fact, this air-gapped (offline) process should be standardized across the whole nation.

My county has a similar method.

Source: https://elections.countyofdane.com/documents/pdf/ElectionSecurityPresentation.pdf

 

[SimplyMe]

Yes they are. The votes are tabulated and then they are transmitted via the internet.

No, as you've been shown, they are not. Results can be transmitted via the Internet but not from the machines doing the counting; the results are typically copied from the counting machines onto some type of portable drive (such as a thumb drive) and copied onto a computer connected to the Internet. Additionally, Presidential Election results are paper copies of the results from the states to the US Congress, where they certify the Electors and their votes.

 

[Solo81]

Hackers' confab shows vulnerabilities in election machines amid testing concerns ahead of November

Increasing the use of voting machines after the 2000 “didn’t fix the Bush v. Gore problem,” but “just made our elections less transparent,” Phill Kline said.

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This is a very serious issue and I have to wonder if anyone of y'all are concerned about the security and integrity of the computers and machines used in the voting process.

In the early to mid aughties, Germany, Ireland, Netherlands, Italy and France trialled e-voting machines to replace pencil and paper and all abandoned the venture based on security primarily and cost-effectiveness.
A Dutch hacker, Rong Gonggrijp,
hacked one of the voting machines on a tv show in 2006 to show how easy it could be done and no-one would know a thing. Unscrew the cover, exchange two socketed EPROM's and the voting machine can give you the result you pre-determined. The Dutch Govt. took notice of his experiment though.

Here in Ireland, a report on the machines expressed serious security concerns but no details were given to the Public. The taxpayer paid €55M for the machines and they were eventually sold for scrap at €70k. But an interesting "condition of the contract is that two electronic chips in each machine, which hold information on how the equipment works, are destroyed." (Irish Independent, June 2012)

 

[Vambram]

No, as you've been shown, they are not. Results can be transmitted via the Internet but not from the machines doing the counting; the results are typically copied from the counting machines onto some type of portable drive (such as a thumb drive) and copied onto a computer connected to the Internet. Additionally, Presidential Election results are paper copies of the results from the states to the US Congress, where they certify the Electors and their votes.

Do you believe the computer experts and hackers who have shown that they can hack into voting systems?

 

[DaisyDay]

Do you believe the computer experts and hackers who have shown that they can hack into voting systems?

What do you mean by voting "systems"? What all are you including?

The hackers, no matter how expert they may be, can't hack a voting machine that is not ever connected to the internet. They may hack the database where voter info is stored but that's a different problem.

 

[Vambram]

What do you mean by voting "systems"? What all are you including?

The hackers, no matter how expert they may be, can't hack a voting machine that is not ever connected to the internet. They may hack the database where voter info is stored but that's a different problem.

Post #48 brought forth an informative example from the past.

 

[DaisyDay]

Post #48 brought forth an informative example from the past.

Do you think we've learned nothing since Europe's experience nearly a quarter of a century ago?

 

[SimplyMe]

Do you believe the computer experts and hackers who have shown that they can hack into voting systems?

As Daisy points out, it depends on what you are talking about. Sure they "can" be hacked, as can any piece of electronics. The issue is that they largely can't be, in real life, as those that would hack them don't have the access to do it when it counts; there are various layers of security to protect that from happening.

To start with, the machines are physically secured. Next, they go through tests before the election occurs to ensure the machine is "secure" (hasn't been hacked). And a "hacker" isn't going to be able to take apart a machine (take of the cover or other pieces) to get in to replace chips, nor are these machines connected to the Internet. From what I know, there are also checks after the election to ensure the software remains intact (not hacked). There appear to be other ways to safeguard the machines that we don't have direct knowledge of, and these are kept "secret" as a further security safeguard.

On top of the security of the machine, the last I saw, any machines purchased now must create a paper copy, so the voter can verify their vote is correct. This is part of what happened in Georgia in 2020, where the state recounted the paper ballots -- that voters could verify -- to ensure the counts were accurate, even doing a hand recount of those paper ballots.

Yes, voting machines can be "hacked" but the likelihood of it happening during an election is very low, particularly any chance it would change the results. About the only way it could occur is when the director in charge of elections, along with several staff members, would have to be in on the "steal," and there are still several ways they could be caught. Of course, if you have this type of conspiracy to change the results of the election, then paper ballots are not going to be any more secure.

 

[Vambram]

Do you think we've learned nothing since Europe's experience nearly a quarter of a century ago?

Maybe we have.

 

[essentialsaltes]

At least there are some hefty penalties for messing with them.

Former Colorado clerk Tina Peters convicted in election interference case​

Tina Peters, the former clerk of Mesa County, was found guilty of four felonies after a lengthy criminal trial. She was cleared of three lesser charges.

[Prosecutor] Drake argued Peters was “fixated” on a desire to be a “hero” and to impress [MyPillow Mike] Lindell, one of the most notable election-denying conspiracy theorists.

“The defendant was a fox guarding the henhouse. It was her job to protect the election equipment, and she turned on it and used her power for her own advantage,” Drake said in arguments, according to The Associated Press.

Per Axios, she faces as much as 22 years in prison.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Kentucky Touch Screen Repeatedly Won’t Allow Voter To Select Trump – Election Officials Deny Malfunction — Then 4 Hours Later Admit Issue With Ballot Marking Device [VIDEO]​

link; Kentucky Touch Screen Repeatedly Won't Allow Voter To Select Trump - Election Officials Deny Malfunction -- Then 4 Hours Later Admit Issue With Ballot Marking Device [VIDEO] | The Gateway Pundit | by Patty McMurray

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[JesusFollowerForever]

2024 STEAL MI: Dominion Voting Machines “BUG” Miscounts Party Line Votes​

Link;

2024 STEAL MI: Dominion Voting Machines “BUG” Miscounts Party Line Votes | Joe Hoft

In 2020 the voting machines used in Michigan became an issue. The machines used were Dominion voting machines. This was the first time we heard the word Dominion. Dominion voting machines used in Michigan are back in the news. In 2020, a series of glitches in vote reporting on air across the...

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[essentialsaltes]

2024 STEAL MI: Dominion Voting Machines “BUG” Miscounts Party Line Votes​

Link;

2024 STEAL MI: Dominion Voting Machines “BUG” Miscounts Party Line Votes | Joe Hoft

In 2020 the voting machines used in Michigan became an issue. The machines used were Dominion voting machines. This was the first time we heard the word Dominion. Dominion voting machines used in Michigan are back in the news. In 2020, a series of glitches in vote reporting on air across the...

joehoft.com

RNC Chair Lara Trump confirms the RNC Election Integrity Team found no concerns in re Michigan election software 'glitch' that has been corrected

Mishaps in Michigan spur spread of misleading election claims On Wednesday morning, confusion over the number of ballots cast in the state was sparked because of a formatting error that has since been corrected, with no extra votes counted, according to the Michigan secretary of state’s office...

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[Fantine]

I am sure voters were given an opportunity to try different machine.

My machine tried to get me to vote for an unopposed candidate I loathe, and it tried to keep me from finishing until I did, but after two tries it did.

I will never endorse an unopposed candidate who makes our state a worse place to live.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

The point I want to make here is that we do not need these machines, they can be flawed, tampered with and the results can be modified with the people either servicing these machines or collecting the results, there are many ways to trick an election with these expensive stupid, internet connected useless machine.,

a paper ballot is all that is needed. the staff is on the premises anyways why not just count like before... Since these systems were implemented we cannot trust the election results anymore especially like this year where the dems and reps are almost equal in the polls. so far the reps seem to be a bit ahead but anything can happen if people pull the strings behind the curtains.

In the United States, most electronic voting machines are not connected to the internet during the voting process. This is a security measure designed to prevent hacking and ensure the integrity of the election. BUT, there can be some exceptions, such as certain systems used for reporting results or transmitting data after the polls close. Overall, the prevailing approach is to keep voting machines isolated from the internet to minimize risks. but the fact remains that they transmit the result through internet connections.........

Just my paranoid opinion.