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The 25 years Peace Plan
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If so, why do you stand with Putin on his annexation plans in you "peace" proposals?
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The war has gone on long enough.
Both sides have made their point.
Both sides have made their point.
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They blooming well haven't.
Russia's "point" is Ukraine belongs to us, and if they don't wont to fall in line and stay within an approved orbit we'll invade them, illegally annex their territory, slaughter their people and oppress those we don't kill.
Ukraine's "point" is that it's a sovereign nation and it gets to decide things like who its leaders are, who it partners with in the international community and that it gets to resist illegal invasions of it's territory until the foreign invaders #*(@-off back home.
Russia started this war, and it's not Ukraine's job to give in to Russia just because life is difficult or people think helping fund a war is expensive or Russia is misunderstood.
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The war was avoidable.
We could have agreed to neutral UN Blue Helmets in 2017.
We could have banned a few countries from NATO.
We could have agreed to neutral UN Blue Helmets in 2017.
We could have banned a few countries from NATO.
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In 2017 the war was already 3 years old. Hard to avoid what has already happened.
I'm thinking of Hungary...
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You really need to stop looking up to Putin's collection of sycophants, enablers, and tools.
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Yes, the international community should have acted decisively to sanction Russia in 2014 for its illegal invasion, and given Ukraine security guarantees to protect its territorial integrity. With ironclad security guarantees in place, Russia would not have been able to launch another invasion.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how UN peacekeeping operations work. 'Blue Helmets' are only deployed after a conflict has ended or for conflict monitoring or mitigation. They are not deployed to active warzones (which is what Donetsk and Luhansk were in 2017).
Why? Russia doesn't get to decide which countries are members. NATO, and its members, get to decide on whether to admit new members.
Ukraine has been a NATO partner for three decades, and was a candidate for membership for 13 years before Russia invaded. Nothing had changed in the relationship after the enhanced co-operation in 2014 in response to the first Russian invasion of Ukraine.
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We need to offer Russia something.
What countries can we ban from joining NATO ?
What countries can we ban from joining NATO ?
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Belarus isn't ours to offer to Russia. (Plus it is already a Russian vassal state anyway.)
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